Its time to rage against the machine. Gov Paterson needs to go.

[StageLeft]

Downright shameful is what this is. Patterson raised my taxes by over $400 with his removal of the star "rebate" and now is ok giving that money to kids' parents who are able to spend it on whatever they want. And what a big surprise that some of them are buying liqour and ipods.

If they sent half that money to teachers specifically for supplies for students in their classrooms, those students would be much better off.

Agree and it would NOT cost $200 per kid, either.

Geekbabe, Rochester stores and ATMs have run out of cash, they can't keep beer and smokes on the shelves. Walmart is out of flat screen TVs

This isn't a few, its wholesale fraud. We've never seen anything like this.

It's only a drop, not even a drop. The real bucket comes in next budget. Remember the 8-9% INCREASE they approved? Yeah... Patterson and his cronies should be dragged out of office and never allowed to step foot in a capital building ever again.

 

[Moonbeam]

It is our self hate that destroys us. Those who are beaten down in life, those most destroyed by their own self hate, who would expect them to do something to help themselves? Only people who are in denial about their own will to self destruction think either that giving others something they do not also have a sense that they earned, and therefore deserve, will help them, or that they can't be helped at all. To save other people you need to help them save themselves without them knowing what you are up to. You have to start at the bottom and build up their self respect one step at a time. People who have no sense of self value can acquire it only in by achievement that refutes those feelings of worthlessness.

Politics, conservative or liberal, will always be a disaster because neither conservatives or liberals know what they feel.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
They shouldn't be getting checks, they should be getting coupons to redeem for specific items....if they get anything at all. These people have proven by their situation that they are not capable of making good decisions. It is amazing the government puts stipulations/strings on most things but simply hands welfare losers cash. Buying votes it a tricky business.

To be fair, the government hands string free money to wealthy losers too.

As usual, the average American ends up getting cornholed by the government.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Downright shameful is what this is. Patterson raised my taxes by over $400 with his removal of the star "rebate" and now is ok giving that money to kids' parents who are able to spend it on whatever they want. And what a big surprise that some of them are buying liqour and ipods.

If they sent half that money to teachers specifically for supplies for students in their classrooms, those students would be much better off.

Agree and it would NOT cost $200 per kid, either.

Geekbabe, Rochester stores and ATMs have run out of cash, they can't keep beer and smokes on the shelves. Walmart is out of flat screen TVs

This isn't a few, its wholesale fraud. We've never seen anything like this.

It's only a drop, not even a drop. The real bucket comes in next budget. Remember the 8-9% INCREASE they approved? Yeah... Patterson and his cronies should be dragged out of office and never allowed to step foot in a capital building ever again.

Its a crime and so easy to fix. Flex cards will let one only purchase health related items. Install a similar system that is cashless. Make it an inclusive system. Food, clothes, yep. Beer, smokes, full cable service, big screen TVs -no.

No cash back. It would cost to impliment, but how much did this just cost us?

It will never happen because special interests will play the same game with any medicaid reform.

 

[GrGr]

Originally posted by: meltdown75
I got a better idea.

Let's give all the crackheads bank cards with unlimited budgets!

Wall Street beat you to it dude...

 

[DrPizza]

I'm seriously thinking "WTF!" Every time I see this in the news.. For $200, (not $200 per student) I could have supplied an entire classroom with all the notebooks, pens, etc. that they'd need for the year.

Hell, our taxes got raised, making it harder for us (the taxpayers) to purchase school supplies for our OWN children. That big screen tv for some welfare recipient could have been a laptop for my son for college.

 

[spidey07]

Did they not learn from Katrina? What a stupid, stupid idea.

 

[Slew Foot]

Thats why you never give poor people money, they spend it on stupid shit.

Make them earn it, then they wont waste it.

 

[LumbergTech]

another anti-poor circle jerk...why dont you restrict your hatred to the people abusing the money

they should have used the money to buy bulk school supplies in the first place...its was a stupid idea even without the possibility of abuse because they could have gotten better prices and gotten more people more school supplies

 

[LumbergTech]

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Thats why you never give poor people money, they spend it on stupid shit.

Make them earn it, then they wont waste it.

thats not really true at all

 

[L00PY]

If I'm not mistaken, this actually isn't coming directly from NY State budget funding, but rather from a $35 million dollar donation from George Soros that was leveraged to gain a 4-1 dollar match from federal stimulus funds. As a recipient of a no-strings attached charity from the Quakers while he was a struggling student at the London school of economics, Soros felt that it was important that this was also given out without preconditions. Of course there will be some abuse, but that money is going to food stamp recipients with children. The EBT method of distribution was also probably the least expensive way to get money into the hands of those that needed it, as they already have the accounts, cards, and people identified.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: L00PY
If I'm not mistaken, this actually isn't coming directly from NY State budget funding, but rather from a $35 million dollar donation from George Soros that was leveraged to gain a 4-1 dollar match from federal stimulus funds. As a recipient of a no-strings attached charity from the Quakers while he was a struggling student at the London school of economics, Soros felt that it was important that this was also given out without preconditions. Of course there will be some abuse, but that money is going to food stamp recipients with children. The EBT method of distribution was also probably the least expensive way to get money into the hands of those that needed it, as they already have the accounts, cards, and people identified.

It was 35 million given by Soros and $140 million from stimulus money for a total of 175 million. If Soros wanted to throw his money away, that's his business, but when it's taxpayer money it's not. We're screwed financially by irresponsible bureaucracy, raise our taxes to cover their miserable handling of the budget and then give away what we get in this ridiculous manner.

Well maybe 35 million went for it's intended purposes, but one thing that was pointed out by local retailers was that while TVs, beer and cigarettes went flying out the door, there are plenty of school supplies left.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

To be fair, the government hands string free money to wealthy losers too.

As usual, the average American ends up getting cornholed by the government.

In the end, this is exactly what happens. Good synopsis.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: L00PY
If I'm not mistaken, this actually isn't coming directly from NY State budget funding, but rather from a $35 million dollar donation from George Soros that was leveraged to gain a 4-1 dollar match from federal stimulus funds. As a recipient of a no-strings attached charity from the Quakers while he was a struggling student at the London school of economics, Soros felt that it was important that this was also given out without preconditions. Of course there will be some abuse, but that money is going to food stamp recipients with children. The EBT method of distribution was also probably the least expensive way to get money into the hands of those that needed it, as they already have the accounts, cards, and people identified.

This always amuses me. Soros attributes his success to help from a private charity. Not government handouts.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: L00PY
If I'm not mistaken, this actually isn't coming directly from NY State budget funding, but rather from a $35 million dollar donation from George Soros that was leveraged to gain a 4-1 dollar match from federal stimulus funds. As a recipient of a no-strings attached charity from the Quakers while he was a struggling student at the London school of economics, Soros felt that it was important that this was also given out without preconditions. Of course there will be some abuse, but that money is going to food stamp recipients with children. The EBT method of distribution was also probably the least expensive way to get money into the hands of those that needed it, as they already have the accounts, cards, and people identified.

This always amuses me. Soros attributes his success to help from a private charity. Not government handouts.

In fairness to Soros, he ponied up 35 million of his own. That would constitute private charity. If he wanted no strings attached I have no problem with that as long as it applied to his own contribution. For all I care he could paper his walls with it if it's his own cash.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
In fairness to Soros, he ponied up 35 million of his own. That would constitute private charity. If he wanted no strings attached I have no problem with that as long as it applied to his own contribution. For all I care he could paper his walls with it if it's his own cash.

And good on him for doing so, it's an admirable act. The other $140M wasn't his to give away however.

 

[L00PY]

Again, the Federal government earmarked stimulus funds to states that were willing to pony up funds. Many states like NY, do not have the budget available to access those federal stimulus funds. Soros' donation enabled the state to get additional stimulus package funds. If these EBT families with children are choosing to spend their $200 on school supplies to help stimulate the economy great. If they're choosing to spend it on food to stimulate the economy, no problem. If they're choosing to spend it on plasma TVs to stimulate the economy, so be it -- so long as the economy gets its boost.

Zero dollars for this stimulus package came from any taxes pushed by Patterson or the NYS legislature.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: L00PY
Again, the Federal government earmarked stimulus funds to states that were willing to pony up funds. Many states like NY, do not have the budget available to access those federal stimulus funds. Soros' donation enabled the state to get additional stimulus package funds. If these EBT families with children are choosing to spend their $200 on school supplies to help stimulate the economy great. If they're choosing to spend it on food to stimulate the economy, no problem. If they're choosing to spend it on plasma TVs to stimulate the economy, so be it -- so long as the economy gets its boost.

Zero dollars for this stimulus package came from any taxes pushed by Patterson or the NYS legislature.

Why not give it to me to stimulate? Afterall, the average home owner in NY state just had a tax put in place again to raise our property taxes (already near or at highest in the nation) by about $400. Why not give this money to home owners to stimulate the economy?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: L00PY
Again, the Federal government earmarked stimulus funds to states that were willing to pony up funds. Many states like NY, do not have the budget available to access those federal stimulus funds. Soros' donation enabled the state to get additional stimulus package funds. If these EBT families with children are choosing to spend their $200 on school supplies to help stimulate the economy great. If they're choosing to spend it on food to stimulate the economy, no problem. If they're choosing to spend it on plasma TVs to stimulate the economy, so be it -- so long as the economy gets its boost.

Zero dollars for this stimulus package came from any taxes pushed by Patterson or the NYS legislature.

Why not give it to me to stimulate? Afterall, the average home owner in NY state just had a tax put in place again to raise our property taxes (already near or at highest in the nation) by about $400. Why not give this money to home owners to stimulate the economy?

The guy who does the deliveries of meds at the medical center owns his home by working two jobs. He puts in 60+ hours so his kids don't have to be on medicaid. What he does isn't rocket science. He's hispanic and no one can say his race gave him an advantage. He tells me in fact that more than half his family is on welfare and believe that he's a fool for working. So why does his deadbeat family (one has eight kids, that's $1600 and the reason she has so many kids is for the check) deserves this and he has to in part pay for it?

He has the right idea. Everyone who gets a check works if they are able. While on welfare, they get a depo provera shot or no check.

It will never happen, because at least in NY the Dems count on them on being a solid voting block.

What a ridiculous system.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
On the surface it might seem like a good idea but as usual govt screwed the pooch. Gov Paterson gave $200 extra in medicaid EBT accounts for school supplies.

The largest supermarket chain ran out of cash because people would buy merchandise then return it and got cash. They then went for lottery tickets smokes and beer.

Now that's what I call stimulus, awesome job Governor :thumbsup:

 

[fallout man]

Oh, I remember being 13 years old and trying to buy a large bag of M&M's with food stamps... The cashier told me that I couldn't.

Those were the days...

 

[bob4432]

The benefit was distributed on Tuesday to families who receive welfare benefits and food stamps, including working families who only receive a limited food stamp benefit. Families with children between the ages of 3 and 17 are eligible, though the children do not need to be enrolled in school.

:shocked:

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: bob4432

The benefit was distributed on Tuesday to families who receive welfare benefits and food stamps, including working families who only receive a limited food stamp benefit. Families with children between the ages of 3 and 17 are eligible, though the children do not need to be enrolled in school.

:shocked:

Wow, I missed that bit. Isn't it kind of against the law to not have your children in some kind of schooling? Maybe this was an exception included for the home-school crowd.

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: bob4432

The benefit was distributed on Tuesday to families who receive welfare benefits and food stamps, including working families who only receive a limited food stamp benefit. Families with children between the ages of 3 and 17 are eligible, though the children do not need to be enrolled in school.

:shocked:

Wow, I missed that bit. Isn't it kind of against the law to not have your children in some kind of schooling? Maybe this was an exception included for the home-school crowd.

i thought after 16 kids could not go to school???? not sure but for some reason this sticks out in my mind.

and not trying to be a dick and this will probably sound dickish, but welfare + homeschool usually = fail

 

[StageLeft]

welfare + homeschool ALWAYS = fail

fixed!