It's Time To Play The Association Game: Keating

jpeyton

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One thing I've definitely noticed that's different about this election versus previous ones: the millisecond response between the actions of one party and the response of the other. An early morning gaffe is a late afternoon attack ad.

But I have a feeling this mini-doc about McCain/Keating was produced months ago, and locked away in a vault until McCain decided to play the association game. Ayers, Rezko and Wright were used napkins back during the tough Democratic primary, but McCain had the luxury of coasting into the nomination this year.

With the American public transfixed on the economic crisis, will they care more about the Weather Underground, or a corrupt banker that swindled investors out of billions?

Over the weekend, John McCain's top adviser announced their plan to stop engaging in a debate over the economy and "turn the page" to more direct, personal attacks on Barack Obama.

In the middle of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, they want to change the subject from the central question of this election. Perhaps because the policies McCain supported these past eight years and wants to continue are pretty hard to defend.

But it's not just McCain's role in the current crisis that they're avoiding. The backward economic philosophy and culture of corruption that helped create the current crisis are looking more and more like the other major financial crisis of our time.

During the savings and loan crisis of the late '80s and early '90s, McCain's political favors and aggressive support for deregulation put him at the center of the fall of Lincoln Savings and Loan, one of the largest in the country. More than 23,000 investors lost their savings. Overall, the savings and loan crisis required the federal government to bail out the savings of hundreds of thousands of families and ultimately cost American taxpayers $124 billion.

Sound familiar?

In that crisis, John McCain and his political patron, Charles Keating, played central roles that ultimately landed Keating in jail for fraud and McCain in front of the Senate Ethics Committee. The McCain campaign has tried to avoid talking about the scandal, but with so many parallels to the current crisis, McCain's Keating history is relevant and voters deserve to know the facts -- and see for themselves the pattern of poor judgment by John McCain.

So at noon Eastern on Monday, October 6th, we're releasing a 13-minute documentary about the scandal called "Keating Economics: John McCain and the Making of a Financial Crisis" -- it will be available at KeatingEconomics.com, along with background information that every voter should know.

Watch a preview right now and share it with your friends.

The point of the film and the web site is that John McCain still hasn't learned his lesson.

And this time, McCain's bankrupt economic philosophy has put our economy at the brink of collapse and put millions of Americans at risk of losing their homes.

Watch the video to see why John McCain's failed philosophy and poor judgment is a recipe for deepening the crisis:

http://my.barackobama.com/keatingvideo

It's no wonder John McCain would rather spend the last month of this election smearing Barack's character instead of talking about the top priority issue for voters.

But if we work together, we can make sure the focus stays on the economy -- and how to fix it.

Please forward this email to everyone you know.

Thanks,

David

David Plouffe
Campaign Manager
Obama for America

P.S. -- The documentary will be live at noon Eastern on Monday, October 6th at www.KeatingEconomics.com.
 

newnameman

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Obama must be really worried about his association with Bill Ayers getting explored if he's already bringing out this diversionary garbage.
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: newnameman
Obama must be really worried about his association with Bill Ayers getting explored if he's already bringing out this diversionary garbage.
Oh yeah, he's super worried :laugh:

Wait, who brought out the diversionary garbage first?
 

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Originally posted by: newnameman
Obama must be really worried about his association with Bill Ayers getting explored if he's already bringing out this diversionary garbage.

There's nothing there with Ayers other than he once worked with him on education. McCain being in a scandal that involved investment banking hits closer to home with the current economic crisis. It's dirty politics but it's what wins elections. Though Obama is going to run away with this either way.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: newnameman
Obama must be really worried about his association with Bill Ayers getting explored if he's already bringing out this diversionary garbage.

You mean the Ayers who was acquitted that he served on a charitable board with once versus the imprisoned felon who cost American taxpayers billions of dollars that McCain's entire political career depended on?

What's that saying about throwing rocks from glass houses?
 

JJChicken

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I'm not too sure this is a good idea. I hope they stick to the issues, because the second they move away from it they lose a big advantage they have right now, i.e. Republicans cannot stick to the issues cause their policies aren't very good for majority of the people.
 

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Originally posted by: Barack Obama
I'm not too sure this is a good idea. I hope they stick to the issues, because the second they move away from it they lose a big advantage they have right now, i.e. Republicans cannot stick to the issues cause their policies aren't very good for majority of the people.

I disagree, I feel that the Policies of the Democrats are not good for the whole of the country. That is of course why there is more than 1 party and more than 1 idea.

I feel the Democrats have had as much trouble sticking to issues as anyone. I see much more uncalled for and unhelpful irrational emotional reactions via "name calling and trash talking" from Democrats, whether their politicians or supporters.

Emotion really shouldn't have a place in electing the best officials, but it is scary the amount of venom that has been coming out
 

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I must say, as ugly as it's going to get, I love the fact that Obama isn't just going to take those attacks and let them be in the news cycle for at least a couple days. McCain sure is desperate though but he brought on this Keating 5 attack by trying to rehash the Ayers connections.
 

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Originally posted by: newnameman
Obama must be really worried about his association with Bill Ayers getting explored if he's already bringing out this diversionary garbage.

:roll: The 'association with Bill Ayers' is diversionary garbage.
 

Bitek

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Its sad its come to this. If flailin' Palin is promising to talk about "terrorists" and Wright, then Obama can't pull a Kerry and just ignore it. After a lot of nastiness, both men are going to come off looking worse but I don't think the numbers are going to change. So much for a campaign of ideas that the country deserves.
 

Jhhnn

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Many younger voters aren't familiar with the issues surrounding the Keating5 and the S&L scandal. It was essentially a preview of the current banking crisis, and John McCain was in the thick of it.

So it speaks to both the issues of character and deregulatory philosophy. Given that banking deregulation and the current economic climate are honest issues and that McCain continued to champion deregulation even after it failed wrt S&L's, the whole thing is legitimate.

And, uhh, McCain is the one trying to introduce "character" as an issue. Obama never interceded with anybody on Ayers behalf, for example, but McCain did so, repeatedly, with federal regulators on behalf of his friend, Keating...

Take the time to watch it for yourself. McCain has acknowledged errors in judgement wrt the matter, but that acknowledgement has never extended to the matter of deregulation, which he's supported wholeheartedly up until now...
 

Throckmorton

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Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Originally posted by: newnameman
Obama must be really worried about his association with Bill Ayers getting explored if he's already bringing out this diversionary garbage.

There's nothing there with Ayers other than he once worked with him on education. McCain being in a scandal that involved investment banking hits closer to home with the current economic crisis. It's dirty politics but it's what wins elections. Though Obama is going to run away with this either way.

Obama did go to his house for a "meet the candidate" thing. My questions are:

1) Why would Obama go to a terrorist's house knowing it would have an impact on his electability for the rest of his life?

2) Why is Ayers stupid enough to associate himself with and sabotage a candidate?

3) Why hasn't Obama come out and said "I didn't know he was a terrorist" or something? He hasn't addressed the event at his house. He's letting himself be swiftboated just like Kerry did. Throwing accusations back the other way isn't going to debunk anything.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Originally posted by: newnameman
Obama must be really worried about his association with Bill Ayers getting explored if he's already bringing out this diversionary garbage.

There's nothing there with Ayers other than he once worked with him on education. McCain being in a scandal that involved investment banking hits closer to home with the current economic crisis. It's dirty politics but it's what wins elections. Though Obama is going to run away with this either way.

Obama did go to his house for a "meet the candidate" thing. My questions are:

1) Why would Obama go to a terrorist's house knowing it would have an impact on his electability for the rest of his life?

2) Why is Ayers stupid enough to associate himself with and sabotage a candidate?

3) Why hasn't Obama come out and said "I didn't know he was a terrorist" or something? He hasn't addressed the event at his house. He's letting himself be swiftboated just like Kerry did. Throwing accusations back the other way isn't going to debunk anything.
Yeah right, the only people paying attention to this crap are those who weren't going to vote for him anyway.
 

Throckmorton

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Originally posted by: newnameman
Obama must be really worried about his association with Bill Ayers getting explored if he's already bringing out this diversionary garbage.

There's nothing there with Ayers other than he once worked with him on education. McCain being in a scandal that involved investment banking hits closer to home with the current economic crisis. It's dirty politics but it's what wins elections. Though Obama is going to run away with this either way.

Obama did go to his house for a "meet the candidate" thing. My questions are:

1) Why would Obama go to a terrorist's house knowing it would have an impact on his electability for the rest of his life?

2) Why is Ayers stupid enough to associate himself with and sabotage a candidate?

3) Why hasn't Obama come out and said "I didn't know he was a terrorist" or something? He hasn't addressed the event at his house. He's letting himself be swiftboated just like Kerry did. Throwing accusations back the other way isn't going to debunk anything.
Yeah right, the only people paying attention to this crap are those who weren't going to vote for him anyway.

When a conservative says "Obama hung out with an unrepentent terrorist", I have nothing to say besides "yeah, I guess he did". That's obvious to independents too. That pisses me off-- how can it not piss you off?? If Ayers was going to implicate himself in political campaigns, he shouldn't have said that he had no regrets about setting bombs, no matter how worthwhile he thought his cause was.
 

Jhhnn

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The whole "Terrarist!" meme wrt Ayers is extremely dishonest, but that particular point won't dissuade the righties in the slightest. It never does.

That's not the subject here, anyway, and it's already been beaten to death many times. The subject is the Obama campaign's video about the keating 5, and how it relates to the current economic meltdown.

Not that the righties actually want to talk about that, at all- we need to "turn the page" on the issues of the economy, pretend it's all puppies and rainbows, pretend that the champions of deregulation haven't delivered this catastrophe, right? Pretend that what's wrong with America is one ex-radical from the 60's who teaches in Chicago and is active in local politics. Make that into a conspiracy, right?

Not a chance. Stay on topic, Kiddies. If you want to talk about Ayers, drag one of the threads about that out of the archives, or start a new one...
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Originally posted by: newnameman
Obama must be really worried about his association with Bill Ayers getting explored if he's already bringing out this diversionary garbage.

There's nothing there with Ayers other than he once worked with him on education. McCain being in a scandal that involved investment banking hits closer to home with the current economic crisis. It's dirty politics but it's what wins elections. Though Obama is going to run away with this either way.

Obama did go to his house for a "meet the candidate" thing. My questions are:

1) Why would Obama go to a terrorist's house knowing it would have an impact on his electability for the rest of his life?

2) Why is Ayers stupid enough to associate himself with and sabotage a candidate?

3) Why hasn't Obama come out and said "I didn't know he was a terrorist" or something? He hasn't addressed the event at his house. He's letting himself be swiftboated just like Kerry did. Throwing accusations back the other way isn't going to debunk anything.
Yeah right, the only people paying attention to this crap are those who weren't going to vote for him anyway.

When a conservative says "Obama hung out with an unrepentent terrorist", I have nothing to say besides "yeah, I guess he did". That's obvious to independents too. That pisses me off-- how can it not piss you off?? If Ayers was going to implicate himself in political campaigns, he shouldn't have said that he had no regrets about setting bombs, no matter how worthwhile he thought his cause was.
If he actually hung out with the guy that'd be one thing but he didn't "Hang out" with the guy. Only a Moron would think differently given the facts.

 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
One thing I've definitely noticed that's different about this election versus previous ones: the millisecond response between the actions of one party and the response of the other. An early morning gaffe is a late afternoon attack ad.

But I have a feeling this mini-doc about McCain/Keating was produced months ago, and locked away in a vault until McCain decided to play the association game. Ayers, Rezko and Wright were used napkins back during the tough Democratic primary, but McCain had the luxury of coasting into the nomination this year.

With the American public transfixed on the economic crisis, will they care more about the Weather Underground, or a corrupt banker that swindled investors out of billions?

The McCain campaign has tried to avoid talking about the scandal, but with so many parallels to the current crisis, McCain's Keating history is relevant and voters deserve to know the facts -- and see for themselves the pattern of poor judgment by John McCain.

What I love to see is that they have learned to use the Republicans tactics against them.

Notice the line in bold sounds exactly the same as the way Palin talks.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
 

Throckmorton

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Originally posted by: newnameman
Obama must be really worried about his association with Bill Ayers getting explored if he's already bringing out this diversionary garbage.

There's nothing there with Ayers other than he once worked with him on education. McCain being in a scandal that involved investment banking hits closer to home with the current economic crisis. It's dirty politics but it's what wins elections. Though Obama is going to run away with this either way.

Obama did go to his house for a "meet the candidate" thing. My questions are:

1) Why would Obama go to a terrorist's house knowing it would have an impact on his electability for the rest of his life?

2) Why is Ayers stupid enough to associate himself with and sabotage a candidate?

3) Why hasn't Obama come out and said "I didn't know he was a terrorist" or something? He hasn't addressed the event at his house. He's letting himself be swiftboated just like Kerry did. Throwing accusations back the other way isn't going to debunk anything.
Yeah right, the only people paying attention to this crap are those who weren't going to vote for him anyway.

When a conservative says "Obama hung out with an unrepentent terrorist", I have nothing to say besides "yeah, I guess he did". That's obvious to independents too. That pisses me off-- how can it not piss you off?? If Ayers was going to implicate himself in political campaigns, he shouldn't have said that he had no regrets about setting bombs, no matter how worthwhile he thought his cause was.
If he actually hung out with the guy that'd be one thing but he didn't "Hang out" with the guy. Only a Moron would think differently given the facts.

You may be right. Did Ayers' really have a "meet the candidate" party at his house in 1995 or is that made up? I think I've only seen it mentioned in comments on blogs...
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Originally posted by: newnameman
Obama must be really worried about his association with Bill Ayers getting explored if he's already bringing out this diversionary garbage.

There's nothing there with Ayers other than he once worked with him on education. McCain being in a scandal that involved investment banking hits closer to home with the current economic crisis. It's dirty politics but it's what wins elections. Though Obama is going to run away with this either way.

Obama did go to his house for a "meet the candidate" thing. My questions are:

1) Why would Obama go to a terrorist's house knowing it would have an impact on his electability for the rest of his life?

2) Why is Ayers stupid enough to associate himself with and sabotage a candidate?

3) Why hasn't Obama come out and said "I didn't know he was a terrorist" or something? He hasn't addressed the event at his house. He's letting himself be swiftboated just like Kerry did. Throwing accusations back the other way isn't going to debunk anything.
Yeah right, the only people paying attention to this crap are those who weren't going to vote for him anyway.

When a conservative says "Obama hung out with an unrepentent terrorist", I have nothing to say besides "yeah, I guess he did". That's obvious to independents too. That pisses me off-- how can it not piss you off?? If Ayers was going to implicate himself in political campaigns, he shouldn't have said that he had no regrets about setting bombs, no matter how worthwhile he thought his cause was.
If he actually hung out with the guy that'd be one thing but he didn't "Hang out" with the guy. Only a Moron would think differently given the facts.

You may be right. Did Ayers' really have a "meet the candidate" party at his house in 1995 or is that made up? I think I've only seen it mentioned in comments on blogs...
13 years ago the dude hosted a political get together for Obama. I guess afterwards they started taking warm showers together:roll:

 

Tab

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Originally posted by: loki8481
thank god the democrats are the party of talking about relevant issues..

Considering Obama or McCain could be the next POTUS, i'd say this is relevant.
 

Jschmuck2

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Originally posted by: loki8481
thank god the democrats are the party of talking about relevant issues..

Could you remind me how a gay man could vote republican again?
 

Throckmorton

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Originally posted by: newnameman
Obama must be really worried about his association with Bill Ayers getting explored if he's already bringing out this diversionary garbage.

There's nothing there with Ayers other than he once worked with him on education. McCain being in a scandal that involved investment banking hits closer to home with the current economic crisis. It's dirty politics but it's what wins elections. Though Obama is going to run away with this either way.

Obama did go to his house for a "meet the candidate" thing. My questions are:

1) Why would Obama go to a terrorist's house knowing it would have an impact on his electability for the rest of his life?

2) Why is Ayers stupid enough to associate himself with and sabotage a candidate?

3) Why hasn't Obama come out and said "I didn't know he was a terrorist" or something? He hasn't addressed the event at his house. He's letting himself be swiftboated just like Kerry did. Throwing accusations back the other way isn't going to debunk anything.
Yeah right, the only people paying attention to this crap are those who weren't going to vote for him anyway.

When a conservative says "Obama hung out with an unrepentent terrorist", I have nothing to say besides "yeah, I guess he did". That's obvious to independents too. That pisses me off-- how can it not piss you off?? If Ayers was going to implicate himself in political campaigns, he shouldn't have said that he had no regrets about setting bombs, no matter how worthwhile he thought his cause was.
If he actually hung out with the guy that'd be one thing but he didn't "Hang out" with the guy. Only a Moron would think differently given the facts.

You may be right. Did Ayers' really have a "meet the candidate" party at his house in 1995 or is that made up? I think I've only seen it mentioned in comments on blogs...
13 years ago the dude hosted a political get together for Obama. I guess afterwards they started taking warm showers together:roll:


If I ever run for office, I'm avoiding former Weathermen like the PLAGUE, and Obama should have done the same
 

Juddog

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Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Originally posted by: loki8481
thank god the democrats are the party of talking about relevant issues..

Could you remind me how a gay man could vote republican again?

What about a gay muslim activist republican?