Its time to end capital punishment in America, Another botched execution tonight...

[cabri]

Considering Texas considers the rape of minors of prison as a good thing, it isn't a surprise that Texas would push ahead with executions. Also Perry gleefully sent a more then likely innocent man to death so he could act tough because the simpletons who voted him in get off on that.

Please provide a link to "he gleefully sent an innocent man to death"?

 

[CitizenKain]

Question: why is the age the problem? If you find prison rape abhorrent you should feel the same for a 12 year old as a 60 year old.

Because it is a minor? Everyone should find prison rape abhorrent, it seems you don't for whatever reason though.

Please provide a link to "he gleefully sent an innocent man to death"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Todd_Willingham

Governor Perry said that the "supposed experts" (using finger quotes) were wrong[7] and not to listen to anti-death penalty "propaganda".[8] Perry aide Mary Anne Wiley said the commission's $30,000 hiring of fire scientist Craig Beyler was a waste of taxpayer money.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Because it is a minor? Everyone should find prison rape abhorrent, it seems you don't for whatever reason though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Todd_Willingham

Gleefully not found

 

[TerryMathews]

Because it is a minor? Everyone should find prison rape abhorrent, it seems you don't for whatever reason though.

You sure came to the wrong conclusion on my post.

 

[fskimospy]

Question: why is the age the problem? If you find prison rape abhorrent you should feel the same for a 12 year old as a 60 year old.

Really? Just because I find rape horrible doesn't mean that I can't hate the rape of a child even more.

Regardless, most of the reason for lethal injections and other 'humane' forms of capital punishment is that the population is generally horrified by the others. Lethal injection and such were designed to preserve the death penalty. If we were still chopping heads off or routinely using the firing squad the death penalty would have long since been outlawed.

This is also the reason why executions are no longer public, btw. The correlation between how much the population actually experiences the death penalty and support for it in western countries is pretty strongly against.

 

[cabri]

Please provide a link to "he gleefully sent an innocent man to death"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Todd_Willingham

A report prepared by Craig Beyler for the Texas Forensic Science Commission said that investigators ignored the scientific method for analyzing fires described in NFPA 921, Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigations and relied on "folklore" and "myths". Beyler also said that Vasquez was incorrect when he said that witnesses saw three different fires, and that they only reported smoke from the fire that began in the bedroom.[2] Beyler wrote in his report, "in the end, the only (basis) for the determination of arson ... is the burn patterns on the floor of the children's bedroom, the hallway and the porch interpreted as accelerant spill. None of these determinations have any basis in modern fire science."[2]

However, the City of Corsicana was extremely critical of Beyler's report, and produced a 21-page response pointing out that his report lacked objectivity, stating "Given some of Dr. Beyler's distortions of the trial record, as described below, it may be that he has assumed the role of an advocate."[3]

If one is going to rebut an official report, it would be best to not cut corners.

Both in the report and also in commentary that put words in people mouths. It destroys credibility.

 

[TerryMathews]

Really? Just because I find rape horrible doesn't mean that I can't hate the rape of a child even more.

Disagree. Context is key; we aren't talking about a kid off the street but a minor convicted as an adult of a crime and serving time. Many of your compatriots view "prison rape" as a legitimate punishment for criminals. I'm sure we can find numerous examples in the Zimmerman and Dunn threads.

If it is a legitimate and deserved punishment than age is not a factor. Personally, I find prison rape abhorrent regardless of the age of the victim and feel that the prison system should be held accountable for each instance of rape that occurs within its walls. These men and women are literally wards of the state for the duration of their stay and it should be incumbent on their guardians to make reasonable effort to maintain their safety for the duration.

Our culture uses prison rape as a joke; I don't find it to be funny.

 

[fskimospy]

Disagree. Context is key; we aren't talking about a kid off the street but a minor convicted as an adult of a crime and serving time. Many of your compatriots view "prison rape" as a legitimate punishment for criminals. I'm sure we can find numerous examples in the Zimmerman and Dunn threads.

If it is a legitimate and deserved punishment than age is not a factor. Personally, I find prison rape abhorrent regardless of the age of the victim and feel that the prison system should be held accountable for each instance of rape that occurs within its walls. These men and women are literally wards of the state for the duration of their stay and it should be incumbent on their guardians to make reasonable effort to maintain their safety for the duration.

Our culture uses prison rape as a joke; I don't find it to be funny.

Meh, agree to disagree. A rape of a child is worse than the rape of an adult in my opinion, regardless of circumstances.

Anyone who views prison rape as an acceptable condition of confinement is a deeply disturbed individual.

 

[TerryMathews]

Anyone who views prison rape as an acceptable condition of confinement is a deeply disturbed individual.

Thanks for this. I wonder how many posters here you would view as "deeply disturbed". I feel a list is in order...

 

[fskimospy]

Thanks for this. I wonder how many posters here you would view as "deeply disturbed". I feel a list is in order...

Haha, if you feel like compiling that list go right ahead! Although while I think jokes about people being raped are inappropriate there is definitely a distinction between making such a joke and actually being in favor of it.

 

[TerryMathews]

Haha, if you feel like compiling that list go right ahead! Although while I think jokes about people being raped are inappropriate there is definitely a distinction between making such a joke and actually being in favor of it.

There were a number of posters who were gleeful about the idea of Zimmerman or Dunn being raped in prison. I didn't think they were joking. Did you?

 

[fskimospy]

There were a number of posters who were gleeful about the idea of Zimmerman or Dunn being raped in prison. I didn't think they were joking. Did you?

I'm sure some of them weren't.

 

[TerryMathews]

I'm sure some of them weren't.

I always feel dirty when we agree.

 

[fskimospy]

I always feel dirty when we agree.

As well you should! My political overlords will be happy to hear that I've turned another American into a socialist drone.

 

[piasabird]

Lots of the cases like this where you are looking at professional testimony the state or the defense is paying said professional witness and therefore they have a vested interest in the outcome of the case. i.e. big payday if there is a conviction or dismissal.

I have sat on a jury before in an injury case and it is like deciding who is the best liar between two professional witnesses. It is so ridiculous that you expect non-experts in the field to know what is real and what is bullshit.

 

[CitizenKain]

If one is going to rebut an official report, it would be best to not cut corners.

Both in the report and also in commentary that put words in people mouths. It destroys credibility.

Sure, a city that sent someone to the death chamber on false charges is suddenly going to admit "whoops."

 

[cabri]

If one is going to rebut an official report, it would be best to not cut corners.

Both in the report and also in commentary that put words in people mouths. It destroys credibility.

Sure, a city that sent someone to the death chamber on false charges is suddenly going to admit "whoops."

How about someone that wants to challenge an official report make sure that all points are addressed in detail within the filing 110%. The city did not create the challenge, the "investigator" did. And it seems that the information used for the challenge may be flawed. At least the State of Texas felt so as well as the appeals system.

And do not cherry pick/filter information from the report and/or put false information into statements.

example: Gleefully