It's Time for WORLD WAR 3! NUKE CHINA!

[Halogen]

hey i have 1 simple demand, you dump ass indians stop crying about being mistreated, in compensation for us not killing you we give you free money and free technology and free education and you still cry!!!

it's time to cut off special indian rights and actually make them work for a living, its a national statistic that about 36% of crime in Canada is by North American Native Indians although they are only 13% of the population!!!!

 

[Halogen]

and another thing, before you call me a racist or whatever i want to see you put your money where your mouth is

move out into the woods for 10 years and you are NOT ALLOWED to use anything developed by non native indian technology, quite frankly i would be surprised if you lasted 3 years. i am not saying indians were doomed to live here, the indians were very well adapted and didn't seem to be in the going out trend and i applaud that but you mister big shot with a flappy mouth thinks it was sooooo easy back in those days now i wanna see you do it

live in the woods for 10 years and report back, if you are still alive

 

[gopunk]

bwhaha, i was going to ignore this thead, but this is so tempting.

if you look back to the indians days, the Indians were mostly nomads who just followed the buffalo (but they really were good at that ) and life really sucked in those days, it was bitterly cold and houses didn't have central heating or anything

what you may find to suck, another may like.

-Electricity, a guy of European decent invented this

lol, invented? so who is this guy who invented electricity? god?


-The Microscope, this is the start of curing all diseases and yep you guessed it, EUROPE NOT INDIANS
who invented
-basicaly all breakthroughs in science were not made by Indians, can you imagine what it would be like living without the Transistor which was not invented by indians? no TV no radio no computer no nothing, not even blinking lights!

a.) if the whites had never touched the indians, the indians would not have had so many diseases that would need curing. just a thought.
b.) not everybody *cares* about computers and whatnot.

by your logic, had it not been for the chinese, we wouldn't have gunpowder, paper, compasses, etc. where would we be without paper? still writing on bark and stone tablets! yea... right.

 

[gopunk]

<< and another thing, before you call me a racist or whatever i want to see you put your money where your mouth is

move out into the woods for 10 years and you are NOT ALLOWED to use anything developed by non native indian technology, quite frankly i would be surprised if you lasted 3 years. i am not saying indians were doomed to live here, the indians were very well adapted and didn't seem to be in the going out trend and i applaud that but you mister big shot with a flappy mouth thinks it was sooooo easy back in those days now i wanna see you do it

live in the woods for 10 years and report back, if you are still alive >>



whether one of us is able to replicate a native american lifestyle is irrelevant. clearly, they were able to lead such a lifestyle. furthermore, most indians were not solitary. they lived in groups, had a culture, families, etc. having a society to live in is substantially easier than living by yourself.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Nuke China ? lol no.

Boycott China? yes!

 

[gopunk]

is it just me or, does the author of that article sound like he's pulling sh!t out of his ass?

none of the facts he states supports his claim...

 

[Halogen]

but that is different, Indians cry the blues about being mistreated but they just sit around and drink all day (i live near a small town mostlyl indians, the bar has people actually passed out on the grass all day long)

i could understand your point of view under these conditions:
if china was originaly populated by white people who did not invent anything and the chinese were paying welfare to white guys to sit around on their ass to do nothing, but these conditions in china do not exist which makes your statement invalid in this situation

Canada is filled with white guys, black guys, middle east guys, asian guys WHO ALL HAVE JOBS and pretty much every one of those countries has come up with some sort of invention to make life better but native indians??? they dont work and they are not known for developing anything. China invented noodles, i think it was a British guy or some Italian guy who invented the microscope and those guys in those countries work for a living
the indians here just live on land which you could consider rightfully theirs but they are compensated by getting technology out of the bargain. you say some people may enjoy having a s*** life but that sounds pretty stupid seeing as how everybody in the world sees the goal in life as trying to achieve an easier life. ever notice how you want more money? why is that? it's because you want a more luxurious and EASY life just admit it

if you took ANY indian in Canada or the US and put them in the situation they would have been in 300 years ago without any white guys, it would seem very nice with very few diseases because the land is hostile and theres no racism but it is bitterly cold in Canada during winter (with exception to some parts of BC) and in general they lived very filthy if you consider that you can't bathe in ice water unless you actually WANT to die

yes it is true that Europeans brought a LOT and i mean a LOT of disease with them but they brought along the first step in medical technology, today if some native indian gets impaled on a tree or something (like fell down a hill and got impaled, could happen back then OR now) today he could just get a blood transfusion from another person with the same blood type but back then they couldn't do that and the poor guy would just die most likely (if impaled in an organ)

i know you are probably saying my statements are stupid because they compare now and then but think of it this way, they didn't have microscopes when Europeans came so although they would probably figure out science on their own eventualy, they would not have figured out the most crucial parts of Biology such as cells and blood types until at least 100 years later AT LEAST

as for me saying a non indian invented electricity, what i mean is manufactured electricity through a generator. all that franklin guy did was get his ass jolted by lightning

 

[Elledan]

<< Nuke China ? lol no.

Boycott China? yes! >>


Hopefully you're aware of the fact that many products which are sold in the US are produced in China? A boycott against China would hurt the US probably just as much as it would hurt China.

Not a good idea.

 

[BoberFett]

And a good reason for China not to mess with us. Why would you want to knock off your biggest customer?

 

[Halogen]

most Americans don't think on a global level

 

[gopunk]

i could understand your point of view under these conditions:
if china was originaly populated by white people who did not invent anything and the chinese were paying welfare to white guys to sit around on their ass to do nothing, but these conditions in china do not exist which makes your statement invalid in this situation

well i dunno what you thought i was trying to say, but i was just saying that you shouldn't say that indians should be grateful to europeans just because they invented a bunch of stuff.

Canada is filled with white guys, black guys, middle east guys, asian guys WHO ALL HAVE JOBS and pretty much every one of those countries has come up with some sort of invention to make life better but native indians???

the reason it seems like they didn't invent anything is because we don't use the things they invented. bows and arrows, those probably made their lives easier. clothing... yea you get the point. they taught the whites how to plant maize and stuff btw.

if you took ANY indian in Canada or the US and put them in the situation they would have been in 300 years ago without any white guys, it would seem very nice with very few diseases because the land is hostile and theres no racism but it is bitterly cold in Canada during winter (with exception to some parts of BC) and in general they lived very filthy if you consider that you can't bathe in ice water unless you actually WANT to die

well where i live, it isn't quite that cold. a lot of indians didn't live in that climate, so are those indians somehow "better" than the ones up north?

but they brought along the first step in medical technology, today if some native indian gets impaled on a tree or something (like fell down a hill and got impaled, could happen back then OR now) today he could just get a blood transfusion from another person with the same blood type but back then they couldn't do that and the poor guy would just die most likely (if impaled in an organ)

i dunno. i'd rather take my chances with the tree. i have to think that more indians were killed than saved as a result of western civilization.

 

[Halogen]

<< well i dunno what you thought i was trying to say, but i was just saying that you shouldn't say that indians should be grateful to europeans just because they invented a bunch of stuff. >>



this is my best chance of trying to explain my point, bringing technology over with them should call it even, im not saying that Indians owe all other Canadians and Americans something, that is flat out rediculos because it really sort of is their land but on the other side i can't say other Canadians and Americans own the native Indians something because in exchange for us sort of moving in on your land we brought technology with us to help them live an easier life but unintentionaly, Europeans actually trades with Indians as customers and didn't exactly give a crap if they died or lived or whatever just gimme the damn furs and get the hell out was the way they thought. in the end it evens out, non natives get to live here and natives get advanced technology, if non natives have to pay them money too that unevens the balance and non natives are getting jacked around

all i ask is that they are treated with equal rights, by that i mean they get jobs and live like everybody else does with their 2 kids in a nice house with a white picket fence an a friendly neighborhood....... ok im being sarcastic on that part, sorry

 

[Silverforce]

You guys have to think back then people's opinions are much different. I think because it's due to not have communications.. today, you often hear the saying "it's a small world.." or "global village".. but back in those days they thought any race that didnt live in big towns or act "civilized" like themselves savages. Not much is known, hence, through ignorance, people can behave the way they did.. by going around and either converting or conquering everything not similar.

Today in our global village, such actions would put you on an international tribunal for genocide and crimes against humanities.

While i feel sorry for the races, may they be aborigines of australia, zulus of africa, indians of the american continent, aztecs or the americas.. or even the native folks of japan's northern most island.. the fact of the matter is, at that time, expansion and conquering new territory was all that's on people's mind. I bet if those races were in the position of power like england or france they would go around conquering others too. Heck, they squabble over tiny areas of land amongst themselves even!

However, judging actions of the past by today's standard isn't fair since we are grown up in a multicultural society that teaches us to respect those who are different since they have something great to give, and if we all work together we will all benefit. It's a totally different era..

As for the arguement over who is greater because they invented things.. well, let's just say if the guy didnt invented the wheel back then, eventually someone else would. It's just the social shift will start once people discover more things.. like irrigation and farming, which enabled people to live in big towns. Living together in large groups and socialising will spread idea, create more competition to excel, hence, a lot of progress. It's just lucky for the super powers back then to have developed the right social order to pave the way for progress..

I mean heck, if Arestotle (spelling?) wasn't born like the way he was, when he was.. and his philosophical way of thinking didnt spread throughout ancient greece, then to rome, then to the entire european continent, you might find a totally different world today.
It's like Darwin's theory of evolution, he wasn't the only one working on the topic.. but he fortunately made it public sooner than a few others who had the same idea.. civilazations will always advance given enough time. It's a bit hard to explain my point.. i dont mean to say people's accomplishment doesnt mean anything or isnt important. What i mean is that dont say "oh we are so great because we discovered so and so".. it isnt like others CAN'T eventually discover that themselves.

Like rocket science, Americans refined it from germans.. and made it on the moon first. But now every other world power has the capability to launch into space.. heck, even Australia can do it!
So enough with the who is better crap.. we are all humans, and are gifted with the naturual curiosty and intellect.. given the right circumstances, we can all excel equally.

 

[Elledan]

One planet, one Human race.

The truth hurts, I guess

 

[Silverforce]

Btw, my last sentence applies to the statement from someone above saying indians are useless since all they do is get drunk..

"given the right circumstances we can all excel"..

Obviously their circumstances have been shaped by our mistreatment of them, their fathers, mothers, ancestors, and we raped their culture for our benefit.

These things take time to change.. imagine the current generation, prolly descendants of poor indian families who were living in poverty, still recovering from the early 20th century mistreatment of them. Growing up in sucha harsh environment would not do well for their mental health.. and since today's society are so empathetic about other people's mental well being, this should come to as a suprise.

However, i do believe in the future things will slowly change for the better.. since their kids are given free public education and health services, they have a chance to learn the skills needed to be competitive in today's modern workplace.
Im an Australian, we have similar problems here in Australia. And once in awhile, a bigot appears in the limelight preaching all these bias, uneducated, and basically lack of proper reasoning stuff.. while there are some who are just as stupid or ignorant to try and understand why things are the way they are follow them.. but the majority are wiser and understand.

We do have progress, but it wasnt long ago since we've started to treat them equally.. so it is taking time to recover. But i do see a lot of young aborigines go to schools and do well.. some of the most famous people here are aborgines in fact.

Remember, these things deal with humanity.. and we have long lives, so it takes a long time for change to come via new generations.

 

[Halogen]

you don't live in Canada where we pay a whole s*** load of money to Indians who don't pay taxes and they get 40k per year in wellfare money and they get free houses for their familes and they get a nwe 1/2 ton truck every 4 years but none of them have jobs and they are just walking crime waves because the sole problem of IF THEY DONT NEED TO WORK WHY THE HELL WOULD THEY??

i can't blame the native indians for not working and just getting tanked all day, hell if some dude came up to me and handed me a new truck and a house and 40k a year and said that i dont have to pay taxes but i lose my 40k if i get a job i would say this exactly "I will never get a job as long as i live." and you would say the exact same thing!

i'm not blaming the indians for being lazy, im blaming the government of Canada for MAKING them lazy but i do get pissed off at indians when they blockade a road or fish out of season and cry saying they are not getting enough.... those roadblocks seem more like challenges than obsticles, i think they are challenging me to a game of chicken but i have car and they have a body made of a skeleton and flesh yet they think they will win against my steal bumper.... how smart

 

[olds]

All this talk about China is making me hungry for pot stickers.

 

[Shming]

China helped Pakistan because India and China fought a border war.

After the war China got the news India was trying to become a nuclear power, and they felt a little uneasy. Knowing Pakistan doesn't really like India and could possibly get their ass kicked by India, so they decided to help out. So, In their own way China balanced that region, and that is why Pakistan is so close to China.

About the Chinese ammo found in the caves. Come on, Osama needs ammo, and China is colse. If he wants something he will find a way to do it, after all he did flew 2 planes into the WTC. Heck, why don't we ask him when we found him?

China hates muslim militants alright, just last week there was 2 suicide bombings in China. Seems like suicide bombing is the favorite trend these days. Those crazy muslim militants.

Osama is a freaking nut that wants an all muslim nation, that means wiping out everybody that's not muslim and that includes China. U.S. is just a bigger turkey, if he gets the chance he will get to China sooner or later. The Taliban did destroy those budda statues right?

You're right it will be WWIII if China and U.S. starts a war, basically it's gonna be U.S. n' NATO Vs China. Odds aren't good and China nor the U.S. is that stupid, However you sir are an idiot for even want a WWIII. Oh, If one NATO country gets attacked, than all is involved, it's their policy.

China wants Taiwan back but they are not willing to bomb it to pieces. Their goal right now is economy not war. Yes, they are building up on their military but if you know the histroy of China being bullied on over these hundreds of years. You will know why.
First their was the British, Americans, French, etc selling opium to Chinese people and leeching China's money and recource and than there was the Japanese invasion. During the opium war Chinese soldiers on horsebacks charged British machine gunners and cannons, I don't need to remind you who won.

China is not really that big of a threat many of you think it is. China has suffered hundreds of year of disgrace and they just want their long over due respect back.

escuse me enlish and gammars.

 

[syzygy]

<< The Chinese, Japanese, Taiwanese, etc. cannot be trusted anymore than Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, etc.. The U.S. only has one real
ally and that is the UK. The U.S. should adopt a containment policy towards China, just like the one towards the USSR, which finally broke
it (now Russia is America's b|tch). >>


so untrue. the china of today has veered so far from the suicidal leninist/marxist economics of the ussr that many of their major ports
and large cities like shanghai, beijing, hong kong and a slew of others are bastions of free market enterprise. china has made the kind
of rollbacks in their economic policies that former soviet states would never have allowed and this has won (or curried, depending on
you p.ov.) admission into the world trade organization, which btw the u.s. is also a member of.

these capitalist reforms prove the mission of the chinese communist party is to survive. the u.s. nor china would benefit if they were
each other's enemies. china has spent the last 2 or 3 years chasing, imprisoning, and executing vast numbers of muslim uighur insurgents
who have been fomenting turkmen pride in the eastern xinjang province. there are a number of uighur members among al-qaeda. the
weapon procurements by al-qaeda were almost certainly indirect.

you need to take a peek underneath the story. the washington times is founded, owned and controlled by the reverend sun myung
moon. they're his mouthpiece. he loathes communists, especially successful communist governments (even if china is not a geniune
communist state, the mere fact they continue to declare they are is enough for mr. moonie). the washignton times editorial staff will
chase bogus leads, build up the flimsiest details into great conspiracies, and launch into tirades against any perceived enemy of their
moonie master, who since he's a far right conservative lends the paper some political legitimacy in a market perceived as dominated
by liberals.

 

[FelixDeCat]

he loathes communists


few dont.

 

[Phokus]

Ok wow, it amazes me how many people misread something and the "Nuke <insert country here>" banter starts.

Too bad anandtech doesn't have an "inbred southern redneck republican filter" so this type of garbage didn't clutter the forums so much for me.

 

[RoninRXN]

Hehehe...as a Chinese Canadian...who's in Hong Kong right now...I don't really know what to think. However, I could care less about what happens to the US. I'm only concerned about the economy. I've always made it a point that money comes first when it comes to this sort of crap.

So they found Chinese weapons in the caves. Cry me a river

Let me remind you that the Americans supplied arms to Afghanistan back in the day

I don't think China is selling arms to Afghanistan now...but even if they are...screw off. What difference does that make? They're not exactly the pinacle of military technology. It's not like the Bin Laden has a better chance of winning...or any chance at all. It makes no difference other than China takes more of Bin Laden's money before the bastard gets kicked in the balls 3 million times (hehe...that was my suggestion to his punishment.) In turn, China does trade with the US...everyone benefits. I don't see any difference at all.

Geez...you guys get worked up over the littlest things. Hell, if I had a gun, I'd knock on Osama's door and see if he wanted to buy it. That just means a couple more bucks in my pocket and he still gets his balls kicked. Who the hell cares?

As I said...Cry me a river

 

[Shantanu]

Given the number of rice boys on this board, why am I not surprised to hear all this anti U.S., pro-Commie/Chinese garbage?

 

[thelanx]

<< One U.S. official said the Chinese ammunition may have been left over from the 1980s, when Beijing, along with the United States, was a major supplier of the anti-Soviet mujahideen fighters. >>



It seems from the article that there is a lot of speculation and the situation is very fuzzy. No evidence was stated besides the ammunition in the cave. The ammunition may very well be left over from the 1980s. Don't forget, the US not only supplied weapons but also trained Osama Bin Laden's troops. Also, some Chinese minority groups are muslim, and so some may have moved to Afganistan.

Don't jump to conclusions and don't make up things when there is nothing.
You think you can just nuke anybody you want? Things are much more complicated, besides the fact that nukes are a terrible weapon. There are 1.2 billion people in China, most of which are just normal innocent people making a living, just like us. Not to mention the retaliation and the innocent people in the US who will suffer.

 

[jjones]

Nuke China? Get your head out of your ass cause you sure have a lot of sh!t in your eyes. So they found weapons made in China. I wonder how many weapons they found that were made in the USA? Their weapons are going to have somebody's name on them, should we nuke them all including ourselves?