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No Lifer
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Originally posted by: Phokus
Like i said, take AIG's former CEO, draw and quarter him, put his head on a pike, and put it in front of the NYSE. Wall Street jackoffs love the reward without much personal risk. Lets put the risk back into the equation.
A slightly more practical approach, as I read through this article and it talking of retention bonuses to keep the people in place who fvcked things up, because they were most effective at unfvcking them, too, would have been for the president to basically conscript them into government, stick them on a government wage, and tell them that they're going to work for up to 18 months at that wage until they have defvcked things. No million dollar bonus bullsh*t.

What sort of a message would that give if Obama did it now? Took those who acted with willfull negligence and said that they are going to work whether they like it and are now government employees to help defvck this. It would be like the draft, but for financial folk.

 

extra

Golden Member
Dec 18, 1999
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Good explanation of how the credit default swaps worked... nice article! Thanks a bunch. :)
 

Dari

Lifer
Oct 25, 2002
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In a way, since we are a republic, I think the American people deserve this.
 

chess9

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That's a very good piece! I loved the bit about "why don't we throw your ass in jail". :)

Here's my list of candidates for jail:

1. Paulson;
2. Graham;
3. Geithner;
4. Bush;
5. Greenspan;
6. Cassano;
7. Greenburg;
8. Blankfein;
9. C.K. Lee;
10. Donaldson;
11. Cox;

I'll give Obama a pass, but he's close to needing an old-fashioned Orange Jump Suit. ;)

-Robert
 

Phokus

Lifer
Nov 20, 1999
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Originally posted by: sciwizam
#2 on the list is spelled Gramm.

Well, if there's anything good that comes of this, Phil Gramm's and Ayn Rand's free market bullshit has been thoroughly discredited by this mess.
 

alchemize

Lifer
Mar 24, 2000
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Originally posted by: chess9
That's a very good piece! I loved the bit about "why don't we throw your ass in jail". :)

Here's my list of candidates for jail:

1. Paulson;
2. Graham;
3. Geithner;
4. Bush;
5. Greenspan;
6. Cassano;
7. Greenburg;
8. Blankfein;
9. C.K. Lee;
10. Donaldson;
11. Cox;

I'll give Obama a pass, but he's close to needing an old-fashioned Orange Jump Suit. ;)

-Robert
It was a good piece. Say, when did Bush sign the legislation that Gramm pushed through?

 

chess9

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Apr 15, 2000
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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: chess9
That's a very good piece! I loved the bit about "why don't we throw your ass in jail". :)

Here's my list of candidates for jail:

1. Paulson;
2. Graham;
3. Geithner;
4. Bush;
5. Greenspan;
6. Cassano;
7. Greenburg;
8. Blankfein;
9. C.K. Lee;
10. Donaldson;
11. Cox;

I'll give Obama a pass, but he's close to needing an old-fashioned Orange Jump Suit. ;)

-Robert
It was a good piece. Say, when did Bush sign the legislation that Gramm pushed through?

Yeah, good point. Make it a dozen and add Clinton to the list. :)

Fat chance we'll see any of those crooks go to jail.

-Robert
 

Mursilis

Diamond Member
Mar 11, 2001
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Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: sciwizam
#2 on the list is spelled Gramm.

Well, if there's anything good that comes of this, Phil Gramm's and Ayn Rand's free market bullshit has been thoroughly discredited by this mess.

Hardly. It's not like the market is all that "free" anyway, what with the gov't being involved in every step of the process.
 

bamacre

Lifer
Jul 1, 2004
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Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: sciwizam
#2 on the list is spelled Gramm.

Well, if there's anything good that comes of this, Phil Gramm's and Ayn Rand's free market bullshit has been thoroughly discredited by this mess.

:laugh:

You are kidding, right?
 

Engineer

Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
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I read this from OT forum (twice actually) The US people have always been, are being, and will continue being fucked....that is our destiny.

*shakes head*.
 

Engineer

Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: JMapleton
Originally posted by: brxndxn
Originally posted by: newnameman
LOL, you get your economic analysis from Rolling Stone?? :laugh:

Seriously.. WHO IS BETTER? Mainly.. Point me to a better article that explains things so well.. and names names.. and actually places blame where it should be.

I am so sick and tired of reading 'financial' articles from the talking heads at CNBC that are worded to talk down to us...

A guy from Rolling Stone just explained the entire mess in a nutshell.. And guess what?! It's fucking easy to understand once someone explains it who knows what he's explaining..

Investor's Business Daily.. Wall Street Journal.. Barron's.. You're not gonna find an article as good as this one from Rolling Stone.

Please don't reference CNBC, they target targeted actually towards the uneducated masses who are interested in following the market.

But the other publications you mentioned such as the WSJ or Barrons would have far better information. Rolling Stone is target towards a bunch of middle aged former hippies who still think they're "hip" and can "rock it out," please dudes, put away the bong and Led Zepplin CD, your music and your culture sucks.

Links to better articles that explain this situation (and do it even close to as well as the RS article does)?

(I won't be holding my breath).
 

gotsmack

Diamond Member
Mar 4, 2001
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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

CLIFFS????

did you have to quote the whole article (which didn't need to be quoted in the first place, no password required to read)



and then you quoted yourself again and put tl;dr


Better Nate than lever!
 

heyheybooboo

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Jun 29, 2007
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Originally posted by: JMapleton
Originally posted by: brxndxn
Originally posted by: newnameman
LOL, you get your economic analysis from Rolling Stone?? :laugh:

Seriously.. WHO IS BETTER? Mainly.. Point me to a better article that explains things so well.. and names names.. and actually places blame where it should be.

I am so sick and tired of reading 'financial' articles from the talking heads at CNBC that are worded to talk down to us...

A guy from Rolling Stone just explained the entire mess in a nutshell.. And guess what?! It's fucking easy to understand once someone explains it who knows what he's explaining..

Investor's Business Daily.. Wall Street Journal.. Barron's.. You're not gonna find an article as good as this one from Rolling Stone.

Please don't reference CNBC, they target targeted actually towards the uneducated masses who are interested in following the market.

But the other publications you mentioned such as the WSJ or Barrons would have far better information. Rolling Stone is target towards a bunch of middle aged former hippies who still think they're "hip" and can "rock it out," please dudes, put away the bong and Led Zepplin CD, your music and your culture sucks.

Can't discuss the article in reasonable terms?

Attack the source. Check.
 

Jeff7

Lifer
Jan 4, 2001
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Originally posted by: chess9
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: chess9
That's a very good piece! I loved the bit about "why don't we throw your ass in jail". :)

Here's my list of candidates for jail:

1. Paulson;
2. Graham;
3. Geithner;
4. Bush;
5. Greenspan;
6. Cassano;
7. Greenburg;
8. Blankfein;
9. C.K. Lee;
10. Donaldson;
11. Cox;

I'll give Obama a pass, but he's close to needing an old-fashioned Orange Jump Suit. ;)

-Robert
It was a good piece. Say, when did Bush sign the legislation that Gramm pushed through?

Yeah, good point. Make it a dozen and add Clinton to the list. :)

Fat chance we'll see any of those crooks go to jail.

-Robert


Hence the need for this sort of thing:

Originally posted by: Phokus
Like i said, take AIG's former CEO, draw and quarter him, put his head on a pike, and put it in front of the NYSE. Wall Street jackoffs love the reward without much personal risk. Lets put the risk back into the equation.

If they ever would find themselves in jail, you can bet that it'd be a nice resort style jail, with luxuries most middle-class Americans don't have.
It'd ultimately be a show. "See? We're like, totally punishing them! Really!"
Then they get let out in a few months for good behavior.


The beauty of these economic scams is that it takes awhile for the economy to respond to things. Do something drastic today, and the stock market may hiccup slightly, but the rest of the economy takes months or years to fully realize the effects. That means that you don't trigger any kind of Pavlovian response in the populace. Their ability to associate is short-term. If you whack someone in the head and they don't feel the pain until 5 years later, that person isn't going to hit you back, or even know what hit him.

I see the same thing here. This bullshit has been brewing since at least 1996, when the DOW started skyrocketing, very much out of its previously linear growth rate. Now the wealthy and connected have even more wealth. Then those with much less then look to TV, which is of course controlled by those very same wealthy individuals, to tell them who's to blame for the scams.


The problem with that old style "mob justice" or civil disobedience stuff is that it needs to be unified. If just a few people start it, they get arrested and nothing happens. Lots of people need to do it at once, and do so in a way that those high-ups genuinely feel that their very lives are at risk. Civil protests only work if those in power are willing to let the status quo change.

</rant>

 

steelodon

Senior member
Oct 29, 2007
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This is the best article I have read in a long time. I think I got more clarity from this article than from all the news channels feeding me bulls***.
 

Robor

Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: JMapleton
Originally posted by: brxndxn
Originally posted by: newnameman
LOL, you get your economic analysis from Rolling Stone?? :laugh:

Seriously.. WHO IS BETTER? Mainly.. Point me to a better article that explains things so well.. and names names.. and actually places blame where it should be.

I am so sick and tired of reading 'financial' articles from the talking heads at CNBC that are worded to talk down to us...

A guy from Rolling Stone just explained the entire mess in a nutshell.. And guess what?! It's fucking easy to understand once someone explains it who knows what he's explaining..

Investor's Business Daily.. Wall Street Journal.. Barron's.. You're not gonna find an article as good as this one from Rolling Stone.

Please don't reference CNBC, they target targeted actually towards the uneducated masses who are interested in following the market.

But the other publications you mentioned such as the WSJ or Barrons would have far better information. Rolling Stone is target towards a bunch of middle aged former hippies who still think they're "hip" and can "rock it out," please dudes, put away the bong and Led Zepplin CD, your music and your culture sucks.

Led Zeppelin sucks? Uh, huh. :roll: Let's hear some musicians/bands who are better than them.
 

Robor

Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: steelodon
This is the best article I have read in a long time. I think I got more clarity from this article than from all the news channels feeding me bulls***.

:thumbsup: Just finished reading this over lunch. It's long but very informative. I simply don't understand the logic of letting those that fucked the economy in charge of fixing it. As the author said, 'why are we not throwing your ass in jail'?
 

Dari

Lifer
Oct 25, 2002
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Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: steelodon
This is the best article I have read in a long time. I think I got more clarity from this article than from all the news channels feeding me bulls***.

:thumbsup: Just finished reading this over lunch. It's long but very informative. I simply don't understand the logic of letting those that fucked the economy in charge of fixing it. As the author said, 'why are we not throwing your ass in jail'?

Because what they did was legal. Like I said in my other thread, the real villan in this whole imbroglio is the government.
 

Robor

Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: steelodon
This is the best article I have read in a long time. I think I got more clarity from this article than from all the news channels feeding me bulls***.

:thumbsup: Just finished reading this over lunch. It's long but very informative. I simply don't understand the logic of letting those that fucked the economy in charge of fixing it. As the author said, 'why are we not throwing your ass in jail'?

Because what they did was legal. Like I said in my other thread, the real villan in this whole imbroglio is the government.

Seems like there's plenty of villains on both sides.