IT'S OK TO KILL GAYS

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: ntdz
That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. That so-called leader is a piece of brainwashed trash.

Ya, sounds like your typical whacked out bush supporter to me...

 

[maluckey]

So, that means they threw out the Ten Commandments too? Must be a lot of Christians that didn't get the memo.

No, it means that th teachings of the Messiah supercede any in the Old Testment. Keep spinning. Then read below.

- 1 Corinthians 11:23-25 - The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, "This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me." In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.?

? 1 Corinthians 9:19-21 - Though I am free and belong to no man, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. 20 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law), so as to win those not having the law.

? Galatians 6:2 Carry each other's burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.


- Ephesians 2:14-16 - For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross

? Colossians 2:14-16 - having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross . . . Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.


- Hebrews 8:6b - [Jesus is] the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises.

? Hebrews 8:13a - By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete;

? 2 Corinthians 3:11 - And if what was fading away came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!


OK, now back to the subject of crazed Gay haters...

 

[GoPackGo]

There really is so little mention of it in the New Testement and none by Jesus that he must not have been TOO concerned about it.

Its Gods job to judge...not ours.

 

[maluckey]

I does seem that the Christian messiah seemed unconcerned about homosexuals. You could also figure that by the mere lack of his speaking about politics (other than to follow the law of the land) that he really was unconcerned about politics as well.

 

[brandonb]

This is the only thing in the new testement regarding gays that I know about...

Roman's 1

24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator?who is forever praised. Amen.

26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

It doesn't say they should be killed. It says they may deserve death, but doesn't say they should be killed. In fact, my Catholic priest says we should never think negatively upon Gays, or wish them harm, as they cannot help the way they are.

 

[LEDominator]

Originally posted by: thepd7
Wow, how did this turn into a Christian bashing thread? Well I guess they all do eventually, because its pretty obvious that everything wrong in the world is the fault of Christians.

Anyhow, back to the topic. Why is no one mentioning that the part all of you are referring to in the Old Testament that condemns gays is part of the Jewish faith as well? Also, why do you not separate Christian fundamentalists from mainstream Christians like you do with Muslims? I actually wouldn't even call them true Christians because anyone who would advocate killing someone for their sin is ignoring the new testament and therefore everything Christ taught.

If I said, "Muslims bombed the WTC." People would flip out that I didn't completely separate those morons from Islam as a whole, as well they should I might add. But no one ever seems to mention that the idiots who call themselves Christians and do stupid things are not an accurate representation of true Christianity.


Get it through your thick skulls: true Christians do NOT want to kill gays.
Do they believe its wrong? yes. Is it worse than any other sin where people know they are sining and continue? no. Should you die because you are gay? no, just like you shouldn't die for lying all the time.

Interesting point. I think it is true that the distinction isn't made, but I think part of it is that tv tends to present the more crazy view of Christianity than the "mainstream" one. FWIW I think people should read whatever Holy book is out there before commenting on one faith or another but that will never happen.

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: hellokeith

Originally posted by: Rainsford
It should also be noted that killing gays is largely supported in the Christian bible

You could not be more incorrect.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

"9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

Jesus offers forgiveness and sanctification to all. And there is no mention of "Thou shalt kill gays" anywhere in the New Testament.

Wow, you know, I went to Catholic school for 4 years and not once do I remember them saying that the stuff in the Old Testament was "just kidding". Cause, you know, there was a lot of unpleasant stuff in there. If you don't want to form your religious beliefs around that, more power to ya, you certainly will get no argument from me. But don't pretend it's not there.

lol, rainsford I am happy you picked a bull for an avitar somehow it is very appropriate for you.
Your complete ignorance about the old and new testaments are truly astounding.

 

[thepd7]

Originally posted by: LEDominator

Originally posted by: thepd7
Wow, how did this turn into a Christian bashing thread? Well I guess they all do eventually, because its pretty obvious that everything wrong in the world is the fault of Christians.

Anyhow, back to the topic. Why is no one mentioning that the part all of you are referring to in the Old Testament that condemns gays is part of the Jewish faith as well? Also, why do you not separate Christian fundamentalists from mainstream Christians like you do with Muslims? I actually wouldn't even call them true Christians because anyone who would advocate killing someone for their sin is ignoring the new testament and therefore everything Christ taught.

If I said, "Muslims bombed the WTC." People would flip out that I didn't completely separate those morons from Islam as a whole, as well they should I might add. But no one ever seems to mention that the idiots who call themselves Christians and do stupid things are not an accurate representation of true Christianity.


Get it through your thick skulls: true Christians do NOT want to kill gays.
Do they believe its wrong? yes. Is it worse than any other sin where people know they are sining and continue? no. Should you die because you are gay? no, just like you shouldn't die for lying all the time.

Interesting point. I think it is true that the distinction isn't made, but I think part of it is that tv tends to present the more crazy view of Christianity than the "mainstream" one. FWIW I think people should read whatever Holy book is out there before commenting on one faith or another but that will never happen.

Yes, that is what upsets me. Rainsford says "It should also be noted that killing gays is largely supported in the Christian bible as well." I guarantee you he has not read the whole Bible or even the passages referring to homosexuality. I would not say that the Kuran does or does not endorse something because I have never read it.

 

[thepd7]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: thepd7
Please show me where killing gays is "largely supported." I want verses specifically. And you will find some that say do not do it and some that say it is evil, but show me where people reveled in killing gays like you are implying.

The Catholic Church burned an awful lot of "sodomites" and "witches" (lesbians) along with an even larger number of Jewish people and 'heretical' christians. This was all fully condoned by the pope of the day. This happened centuries ago - since then christians have become a bit more civilised it seems.

Sorry, I should have quoted more of his statement so you clearly understand me,
"It should also be noted that killing gays is largely supported in the Christian bible as well." I was specifically reffering to the Bible. Anything that man does is by nature going to be imperfect. You are correct about the history of the Catholic church which was the main if not only representation of Christianity at that time. I make no excuses, what happened was abhorrent, but I would like to point out at that time in the world there were many people doing many horrible things, not just the church.