IT'S OK TO KILL GAYS

[michaels]

http://www.gcn.ie/content/templates/newsupdate.aspx?articleid=1409&zone

The leading imam in Manchester, confirms that he thinks the execution of sexually active gay men is justified, the rights group Outrage reported.

Arshad Misbahi of the Manchester Central Mosque confirmed his views in a conversation to John Casson, a local psychotherapist.

Casson said: "I asked him if the execution of gay Muslims in Iran and Iraq was an acceptable punishment in Sharia law, or the result of culture, not religion.

"He told me that in a true Islamic state, such punishments were part of Islam: If the person had had a trial, at which four witnesses testified that they had seen the actual homosexual acts."

"I asked him what would be the British Muslim view? He repeated that in an Islamic state these punishments were justified. They might result in the deaths of thousands but if this deterred millions from having sex, and spreading disease, then it was worthwhile to protect the wider community."

"I checked again that this was not a matter of tradition, culture or local prejudice. 'No,' he said, 'It is part of the central tenets of Islam: that sex outside marriage is forbidden; this is stated in the Koran and the prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) had stated that these punishments were due to such behaviours.'"

Gay man rights campaigner Peter Tatchell said, "It is disturbing that some British imams are endorsing the execution of gay and lesbian Muslims.

"Imam Arshad Misbahi's homophobic attitudes give comfort and succor to queer-bashers. They encourage conflict and disharmony between Manchester's large gay and Muslim communities.

"Muslim and gay people know the pain of prejudice and discrimination. We should be working together to challenge homophobia and Islamophobia. I hope liberal Muslims will speak out in defense of the human rights of lesbians and gay men," said Tatchell.

Adnan Ali, founder of the British branch of al-Fatiha, an organisation for gay and lesbian Muslims, told Gay.com that "a person with such an obsession about execution of human beings is not even entitled to be addressed as Imam."

"Islam is a very tolerant religion and celebrates the human diversity in its core message," Ali said.

"The holy book Qur'an does not mention anywhere about the execution or killing of human beings on the basis of their sexuality. What surprises is this obsession of the Islamic clerics to killing and execution. Why? What about dialogue? Discussion?

"Arshad Misbahi's comparison of same-sex relation to adultery is nothing but ignorant and utterly irresponsible rhetoric, manifesting the wrong teachings of Islam. The media should . . . not take it for granted as the general view of the Muslim community all over."
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How is it possible this guy is a leader in his community?

 

[Zebo]

They get hung every week in saudi, iran, new Iraq, Jordan etc. This is way I've been urging my Christain fundi freinds to covert to Islam... that way you don't have to hide it.

 

[jackschmittusa]

Maybe he has followers like some of the leaders over here have. If you are not gay, you have nothing to worry about.

 

[Rainsford]

Too...many...fundamentalist...Christian...jokes.

In all seriousness, however, being a religious leader is largely about telling people what they want their religion to stand for. Religion itself is not a crutch, and it shouldn't be assumed that a religious person uses it that way, but the fact is that there are a fair number of religious folks who use their religion the way a drunk uses a lightpost, more for support than illumination. You want to be a religious community leader in a community with a fair number of small-minded, hateful people? Just tell them that their religion supports their idiocy and you'll have legions of followers.

It should also be noted that killing gays is largely supported in the Christian bible as well, the reason you don't see Christian religious leaders talking like this is that even though Christians hardly seem to be open about gay relationships, they've moved past the "it's ok to kill them" phase. In other words, it's far more about the individuals involved than the religion or the leaders. The problem hers isn't Islam or the Imam so much as it is the people who clamor for this kind of bullshit.

 

[techs]

If you read the editorials at newsmax.com (a website quoted by the right wingers in this forum) they have said the same thing.
Islamofascists and Christianofascists are two peoples joined by a common intolerance.

 

[hellokeith]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
It should also be noted that killing gays is largely supported in the Christian bible

You could not be more incorrect.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

"9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

Jesus offers forgiveness and sanctification to all. And there is no mention of "Thou shalt kill gays" anywhere in the New Testament.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: techs
If you read the editorials at newsmax.com (a website quoted by the right wingers in this forum) they have said the same thing.
Islamofascists and Christianofascists are two peoples joined by a common intolerance.

Same sh1t different mellinia. I am Catholic have been since 1971 but I don't take it to serious. Thats the whole problem.... peoples who take 1st or 6ths century law customs, and scipture seriously and live by it day in day out. Thats why planes fly into buildings gays hang from crains and abortion doctors are shot dead. Converts are the worst. Now if we could just shame and belittle Islam as much as we have Catholism and Judisam we might defeat the death sqauds and modern day Iquisition.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: techs
If you read the editorials at newsmax.com (a website quoted by the right wingers in this forum) they have said the same thing.
Islamofascists and Christianofascists are two peoples joined by a common intolerance.

Please name one mainstream Christian leader calling for the death of Gays for being gay?

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: techs
If you read the editorials at newsmax.com (a website quoted by the right wingers in this forum) they have said the same thing.
Islamofascists and Christianofascists are two peoples joined by a common intolerance.

Please name one mainstream Christian leader calling for the death of Gays for being gay?

Why make a distinction with "mainstream?"

/Fred Phelps - may haps?

 

[compnovice]

Off topic: Won't his conversation with his psychotherapist be privelaged? Or are British laws different...

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Why make a distinction with "mainstream?"

/Fred Phelps - may haps?

Because Fred Phelps has all of 30 followers.
What he says is meaningless in a country of 300 million.

If Phelps said we should kill all black people would you go out and declare that Christians want to kill black people?

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: hellokeith

Originally posted by: Rainsford
It should also be noted that killing gays is largely supported in the Christian bible

You could not be more incorrect.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

"9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

Jesus offers forgiveness and sanctification to all. And there is no mention of "Thou shalt kill gays" anywhere in the New Testament.

Wow, you know, I went to Catholic school for 4 years and not once do I remember them saying that the stuff in the Old Testament was "just kidding". Cause, you know, there was a lot of unpleasant stuff in there. If you don't want to form your religious beliefs around that, more power to ya, you certainly will get no argument from me. But don't pretend it's not there.

 

[mc00]

man fcking humans.. before everyone hate blacks and than jews, and now is fcking gays? damn why most human are so damn closed minded? what is it so hard to live with black or jews or a GAY person? honestly I'm Hispanic and born in U.S I have nothing against blacks,jews,or gay I see them as a equal another fellow human, everyone has damn flaws no one is perfect. Always damn religion folk always got something to say what is right or wrong or who should we hang out with or love or fck or when to fck or we can't wack it because is wrong... IS EVIL because you love another same sex... *sigh* and they say I'm evil walking 666 because I don't believe in god.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: techs
If you read the editorials at newsmax.com (a website quoted by the right wingers in this forum) they have said the same thing.
Islamofascists and Christianofascists are two peoples joined by a common intolerance.

Please name one mainstream Christian leader calling for the death of Gays for being gay?

Define 'Leader'
Define 'Mainstream'...
You asked for a name and were given one.. you contend that this 'named individual' is what? Is he not in mainstream or a leader or both?

If Phelps said we should kill all black people would you go out and declare that Christians want to kill black people?

I'd say that A Christian did.. and that he leads a group of 30 indicates he is a leader of some sort and mainstream in general belief but perverted to suit his "Jim Jones" mind set..

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: hellokeith

Originally posted by: Rainsford
It should also be noted that killing gays is largely supported in the Christian bible

You could not be more incorrect.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

"9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

Jesus offers forgiveness and sanctification to all. And there is no mention of "Thou shalt kill gays" anywhere in the New Testament.

Wow, you know, I went to Catholic school for 4 years and not once do I remember them saying that the stuff in the Old Testament was "just kidding". Cause, you know, there was a lot of unpleasant stuff in there. If you don't want to form your religious beliefs around that, more power to ya, you certainly will get no argument from me. But don't pretend it's not there.

Shens. If you went to Catholic school you'd know that the New testament represents the New Covenant by which all the old laws and whatnot from the Old Testament were no longer needed. And, FWIW, the instances of slaughter in the Old Testament were pretty impartial.

So either you sat through four years of school and were too dumb to get any of it or are deliberately painting an incorrect picture to backup your argument. Either way.....

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: hellokeith

Originally posted by: Rainsford
It should also be noted that killing gays is largely supported in the Christian bible

You could not be more incorrect.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

"9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

Jesus offers forgiveness and sanctification to all. And there is no mention of "Thou shalt kill gays" anywhere in the New Testament.

Wow, you know, I went to Catholic school for 4 years and not once do I remember them saying that the stuff in the Old Testament was "just kidding". Cause, you know, there was a lot of unpleasant stuff in there. If you don't want to form your religious beliefs around that, more power to ya, you certainly will get no argument from me. But don't pretend it's not there.

Many Christians view the Old Testament as just a reference and not on the same level as the New Testament. However, many through the ages certainly used it as a guide equal to the New Testament.

 

[fire400]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: hellokeith

Originally posted by: Rainsford
It should also be noted that killing gays is largely supported in the Christian bible

You could not be more incorrect.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

"9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

Jesus offers forgiveness and sanctification to all. And there is no mention of "Thou shalt kill gays" anywhere in the New Testament.

Wow, you know, I went to Catholic school for 4 years and not once do I remember them saying that the stuff in the Old Testament was "just kidding". Cause, you know, there was a lot of unpleasant stuff in there. If you don't want to form your religious beliefs around that, more power to ya, you certainly will get no argument from me. But don't pretend it's not there.

Many Christians view the Old Testament as just a reference and not on the same level as the New Testament. However, many through the ages certainly used it as a guide equal to the New Testament.

Well, many people misinterpret that Bible. Many were cast out and stoned, with explanations. However, Jesus Christ did offer forgiveness of sins to those who had a change of heart and were willing to repent in the Bible. There are a lot of things that may be confusing, but James 1:5 anybody?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: fire400

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: hellokeith

Originally posted by: Rainsford
It should also be noted that killing gays is largely supported in the Christian bible

You could not be more incorrect.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

"9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

Jesus offers forgiveness and sanctification to all. And there is no mention of "Thou shalt kill gays" anywhere in the New Testament.

Wow, you know, I went to Catholic school for 4 years and not once do I remember them saying that the stuff in the Old Testament was "just kidding". Cause, you know, there was a lot of unpleasant stuff in there. If you don't want to form your religious beliefs around that, more power to ya, you certainly will get no argument from me. But don't pretend it's not there.

Many Christians view the Old Testament as just a reference and not on the same level as the New Testament. However, many through the ages certainly used it as a guide equal to the New Testament.

Well, many people misinterpret that Bible. Many were cast out and stoned, with explanations. However, Jesus Christ did offer forgiveness of sins to those who had a change of heart and were willing to repent in the Bible. There are a lot of things that may be confusing, but James 1:5 anybody?

Sometimes that's the problem.

 

[thepd7]

Wow, how did this turn into a Christian bashing thread? Well I guess they all do eventually, because its pretty obvious that everything wrong in the world is the fault of Christians.

Anyhow, back to the topic. Why is no one mentioning that the part all of you are referring to in the Old Testament that condemns gays is part of the Jewish faith as well? Also, why do you not separate Christian fundamentalists from mainstream Christians like you do with Muslims? I actually wouldn't even call them true Christians because anyone who would advocate killing someone for their sin is ignoring the new testament and therefore everything Christ taught.

If I said, "Muslims bombed the WTC." People would flip out that I didn't completely separate those morons from Islam as a whole, as well they should I might add. But no one ever seems to mention that the idiots who call themselves Christians and do stupid things are not an accurate representation of true Christianity.


Get it through your thick skulls: true Christians do NOT want to kill gays.
Do they believe its wrong? yes. Is it worse than any other sin where people know they are sining and continue? no. Should you die because you are gay? no, just like you shouldn't die for lying all the time.

 

[ntdz]

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. That so-called leader is a piece of brainwashed trash.

 

[thepd7]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Too...many...fundamentalist...Christian...jokes.

In all seriousness, however, being a religious leader is largely about telling people what they want their religion to stand for. Religion itself is not a crutch, and it shouldn't be assumed that a religious person uses it that way, but the fact is that there are a fair number of religious folks who use their religion the way a drunk uses a lightpost, more for support than illumination. You want to be a religious community leader in a community with a fair number of small-minded, hateful people? Just tell them that their religion supports their idiocy and you'll have legions of followers.

It should also be noted that killing gays is largely supported in the Christian bible as well, the reason you don't see Christian religious leaders talking like this is that even though Christians hardly seem to be open about gay relationships, they've moved past the "it's ok to kill them" phase. In other words, it's far more about the individuals involved than the religion or the leaders. The problem hers isn't Islam or the Imam so much as it is the people who clamor for this kind of bullshit.

Please show me where killing gays is "largely supported." I want verses specifically. And you will find some that say do not do it and some that say it is evil, but show me where people reveled in killing gays like you are implying.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Too...many...fundamentalist...Christian...jokes.

In all seriousness, however, being a religious leader is largely about telling people what they want their religion to stand for. Religion itself is not a crutch, and it shouldn't be assumed that a religious person uses it that way, but the fact is that there are a fair number of religious folks who use their religion the way a drunk uses a lightpost, more for support than illumination. You want to be a religious community leader in a community with a fair number of small-minded, hateful people? Just tell them that their religion supports their idiocy and you'll have legions of followers.

It should also be noted that killing gays is largely supported in the Christian bible as well, the reason you don't see Christian religious leaders talking like this is that even though Christians hardly seem to be open about gay relationships, they've moved past the "it's ok to kill them" phase. In other words, it's far more about the individuals involved than the religion or the leaders. The problem hers isn't Islam or the Imam so much as it is the people who clamor for this kind of bullshit.

Please show me where killing gays is "largely supported." I want verses specifically. And you will find some that say do not do it and some that say it is evil, but show me where people reveled in killing gays like you are implying.

The Bible and actions of "Christians" don't often agree. I agree that it certainly isn't common for "Christians" to resort to violence, but every now and then it happens. Sometimes it's just a misguided Individual, sometimes it involves large numbers.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: michaels
How is it possible this guy is a leader in his community?

Because he well represents the views of those in his community.

It is a very sick and disgusting community that is a cancer upon humanity, but that's beside the point.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: thepd7
Please show me where killing gays is "largely supported." I want verses specifically. And you will find some that say do not do it and some that say it is evil, but show me where people reveled in killing gays like you are implying.

The Catholic Church burned an awful lot of "sodomites" and "witches" (lesbians) along with an even larger number of Jewish people and 'heretical' christians. This was all fully condoned by the pope of the day. This happened centuries ago - since then christians have become a bit more civilised it seems.

 

[jackschmittusa]

HeroOfPellinor

Shens. If you went to Catholic school you'd know that the New testament represents the New Covenant by which all the old laws and whatnot from the Old Testament were no longer needed.

So, that means they threw out the Ten Commandments too? Must be a lot of Christians that didn't get the memo.