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Its official PayPal screws over people

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Hi animeknight,

Charge backs are reported to us via the credit card companies. Credit card fraud is always a possibility when accepting payments via credit card and it is why I urge the users in this forum to follow the Seller Protection Program to a "T". Charge backs can take several months to trickle in for a variety of reasons.

Fair questions to ask and it is not meant to be seem rude:

Can PayPal verify the integrity of the individual you are sending the money to? No. Our verification measures are in place to establish identity, which helps reduce the probability of fraud.

Can PayPal make someone ship you a product that they have promised to sell you based off of a sale on another venue? No. PayPal is a payment service that allows users to pay for items via credit card or bank account.

Does PayPal take steps to protect users? Yes. Through verification ( it deters fraud, as the user has to supply more information about their identity, thereby making it less probable that they would defraud someone). In addition,our Buyer Complaint Process also allows us to spot potential problems before they arise and it actually affords the user more protection than if they had paid via check or money order. Users that use a credit card are still afforded their charge back rights, but we do ask that they contact us first about a transaction problem before initiating a charge back. Users can file a Buyer Complaint with no regards as to how they paid (credit card, PayPal balance, or funds from a bank account).

Have users been reimbursed through the Seller Protection Program or the Buyer Complaint Process?
Yes, quite a few.


I don't like seeing users defrauded either... but I do have to stick to policy when talking about these issues and I also have to remind users that we are a payment service and the end user is the one that makes the decision about whom they are sending money to (and what for).
PayPal has well over 8 million users now and the majority of transactions go through without an issue or complaint. However, as many of the users in these forums are aware, there can be fraudsters that use sites to defraud people. Areas users need to pay attention to: feedback ratings, email correspondence with the seller,etc.

My email is down today,so I won't be able to gather any cases until tomorrow.

I am sorry to hear of your issues with this individual.
 
x.com still owes me money they lost. I followed their instruction to the "T".
(x.com owns paypal)
 
What surprised me is that all this fraudlent seller had to do was just clean out his account and basically close it. Once he did that, he basically got away scott free. This is stupid.
 
it's not his issues with the damn individual i hope you understand paypalbot.. it's his issues with your company
 
Hmm.... I'm going to have to agree with PayPal on this one......

Q. Person steals credit card and buys a tuba at Joe's House of Music.

A. Person whose credit card was stolen then goes to Joe's House of Music and blames them for taking the credit card?


Scenraio 2:

Q. Person steals credit card and buys a tuba at Joe's House of Music.

A. Person whose credit card was stolen calls Vericheck, the credit card APPROVAL system expect reimbursment?



I keep trying to put 2 and 2 together but.....
 
I've done over 100 transactions with paypal and never had a problem. Just do what I do. Sign up with a credit card that you plan on freezing, verify your account, only put money in your account when you are going to buy something, and deposit your money into your bank account as soon as you get it.
 
I still don't understand how PayPal can even leave a "negative" balance in a user's account (if they have $0 left in their account) for receiving fraudulent funds, but why they can't leave a "negative" balance in a seller's account (who also now has $0 left in their account) for not making good on their deal.

I mean, PayPal has access to the seller's bank account. Even if they used asked for a check to be issued, that check had to be cashed/deposited somewhere, right? Why can't you use that to your advantage during a fraud investigation?

Still sounds like a double-standard to me.
 
oh and they still allow him to be a verified buisness member and he f'ed someone over. thats fing BS.

figures PayPal doesnt give a sh1t other than themselves.
 
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