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It's Official: P67 SATA2 Is Toast

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Diogenes2

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Well, I was being kind of smug about the lack of problems with the SATA 2 ports on my P8P67 Pro..
It has now gone officialy Tango Uniform..
Windows 7 sees the drives but cannot see any volume information.
I had a WD Black 1TB that shows up in Disk Mangement as " Volume 0000 " and showing 1.8TB unalloctated ( ??? )
Anyway, moved my drives over to the SATA 3 ports and all is well.

My DVD drive continues to work just fine on a SATA 2 port ..

So much for 5% over 3 years. I think Intel may have trivialized the problem a bit..

Minor inconvenience.. I've had much worse happen ....
 
Waiting for the correction of the press release where they say, "Oh did we say 5-15% failure rate over 3 years? Sorry about that...that was Charlie from marketing...he's new. The correct predicted statistic is actually 5-15% NON-failure rate over 3 years."
 
Where did Intel say "5-15% failure rate over 3 years"? Sounds more like something propagated from end users.
 
AdamK47 said:
Where did Intel say "5-15% failure rate over 3 years"? Sounds more like something propagated from end users.
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/4142/intel-discovers-bug-in-6series-chipset-begins-recall
"On its conference call to discuss the issue, Intel told me that it hasn’t been made aware of a single failure seen by end users. Intel expects that over 3 years of use it would see a failure rate of approximately 5 - 15% depending on usage model. Remember this problem isn’t a functional issue but rather one of those nasty statistical issues, so by nature it should take time to show up in large numbers (at the same time there should still be some very isolated incidents of failure early on)."


But it's a probability, so a few people will have ports die today, a few could buy 100 motherboards and have 0 failures after 10 years.
 
Even without the flaw in P67 SATA2 ports, some will just die anyway. Electronics have a nasty habit of just dying, that's why you have a warranty.
 
Can you imagine the hoops I would be jumping through to get this replaced under warranty,
if there wasn't a recall ?
 
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Diogenes2 said:
Can you imagine the hoops I would be jumping through to get this replaced under warranty,
if there wasn't a recall ?
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I guess it depends on your location. Here in the UK, most online shops have made the boards available again, after making a deal with Intel, Asus, Gigabyte, and MSI.
So no problem in getting a replacement for a faulty board.

Sandy Bridge Important Accouncement

We have just had Important Update information from Intel, Asus, Msi and Gigabyte 16:30Hrs Today - 01/02/11.
This is an agreement Scan has reached with Intel/Asus/Msi & Gigabyte and is not for the time being a general to all vendors. We suggest you check with your Vendor/Supplier.
All of the above parties have agreed on a intermediate solution to the Sandybridge problem.
As there is No Immediate Danger/Fault and as this fault is likely to affect a small number of boards over time and Replacement Stock will Not be available until realistically in April/May, all the parties above have Guaranteed Direct Swap Out of all P67/H67 Boards bought from Scan should you the end user wish to do so at a later date.
Based on this Swap Out Guarantee We have decided to make all P67/H67 Boards available for sale again.
The Decision to buy and use still lies upon you the end user customer.
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If it's the chipset problem, it shouldn't see the drives at all. Also, if the problem is as they described, all SATA2 ports should fail to the same extent at the same time. i.e. if the HDD fails on one port, the DVD drive on another port shouldn't work either.
 
PreferLinux said:
If it's the chipset problem, it shouldn't see the drives at all.
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Where are you getting that from ?

Also, if the problem is as they described, all SATA2 ports should fail to the same extent at the same time. i.e. if the HDD fails on one port, the DVD drive on another port shouldn't work either.
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Obviously the problem is not as they described..

SATA2 ports buggy

SATA3 ports A.O.K.

I could be having a totally unrelated problem, but it is certainly an amazing coincidence..
 
=Wendy= said:
I guess it depends on your location. Here in the UK, most online shops have made the boards available again, after making a deal with Intel, Asus, Gigabyte, and MSI.
So no problem in getting a replacement for a faulty board.

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Are we talking about the same thing ?
The replacement chips have not been fabricated yet ..

Have you ever RMA'd a motherboard ?

Was it pretty much " no questions asked "; as it will be in this case ?
 
Diogenes2 said:
Where are you getting that from ?
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Simple. The chipset problem is basically that it slows down (because it has to keep re-sending data as it gets corrupted (which is detected)), and after a while it slows down so much the BIOS decides it isn't getting a response within a suitable time, so does not detect it. I don't see how that would stop it seeing the volume on the drive, while still detecting the drive.

Diogenes2 said:
Obviously the problem is not as they described..

SATA2 ports buggy

SATA3 ports A.O.K.

I could be having a totally unrelated problem, but it is certainly an amazing coincidence..
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I was talking about the SATA2 ports only.

Did you change the mode (AHCI/IDE/RAID) when it stopped? Does it work on the Marvell ports? Could it be drivers?
 
preferlinux is right. If the chip dies, you lose all your sata 3Gb/sec ports.

Your problem is not the Cougar Point problem.

-John
 
Diogenes2 said:
Do you have a documented example of exactly how Win7 reacts to the bug that precipitated the recall ?
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Do you really think the problem was found using Windoze? I doubt it. It would have been more like Memtest86+, bit for the HDD.

Have you even read through my logic? Remember, there is no corrupted data transferred between the drive and OS as all corrupted data it removed or corrected by the SATA controllers, and re-sent.

If the BIOS does not detect the HDD, Windoze won't either. If it can detect the drive perfectly (which it is), there is no reason it could not detect the volumes on it (read the data on it).
 
Diogenes2 said:
Well, I was being kind of smug about the lack of problems with the SATA 2 ports on my P8P67 Pro..
It has now gone officialy Tango Uniform..
Windows 7 sees the drives but cannot see any volume information.
I had a WD Black 1TB that shows up in Disk Mangement as " Volume 0000 " and showing 1.8TB unalloctated ( ??? )
Anyway, moved my drives over to the SATA 3 ports and all is well.

My DVD drive continues to work just fine on a SATA 2 port ..

So much for 5% over 3 years. I think Intel may have trivialized the problem a bit..

Minor inconvenience.. I've had much worse happen ....
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That's not good. I still have my HDDs hooked up to a 3GB ports. This is pain, I cannot simply unhook them and forget my data for like 2 months?
 
DaveSimmons said:
But it's a probability, so a few people will have ports die today, a few could buy 100 motherboards and have 0 failures after 10 years.
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Later information came out that essentially said it was not a probability issue.

I bet the 5-15% thing is just because 85-95% of users buy retail systems with one optical drive and one hard drive plugged into the SATA 3 ports and nothing even on the SATA 2 ports.

quote from Anand's follow on article:
While Steve wouldn’t go into greater detail he kept mentioning that this bug was completely an oversight. It sounds to me like an engineer did something without thinking and this was the result. This is a bit different from my initial take on the problem. Intel originally characterized the issue as purely statistical, but the source sounds a lot more like a design problem rather than completely random chance.
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It also says that those who induce more heat and voltage (overclockers) will tend to accelerate issues. Though there really shouldn't be a whole lot of extra on the chipset from OCing, most of this is strictly CPU.

I really don't like that they also basically said they just short out the portion of the chipset causing the problem. Basically says they could have saved end users power consumption by making a chipset that was actually relevant, but chose instead to pass on existing designs. I'm betting the P67 chipset has a significant amount of P55 functionality in it that's just wasting space (& power) since so much was moved on-die in SB.
 
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just great, i was thinking about going rogue and getting a p67 off ebay or somewhere.. i guess not now..

by march/april my little tax money will have been spent on frivolous stuff.. its looking like no pc upgrade this year. *looks at empty phantom case*
 
Genuine intel DP67DE Board.
The devices that were on them are seen fine by the sata III ports, and the devices that were seen on the SATA III ports are not seen on the SATA II ports.
Not degraded a litlle, totally failed.
Also the esata port has failed (it is SATA II).
Never overclocked.
The official word was that the problem was gradual degredation over time under extreme conditions.
Boom Boom, Out go the lights! 😡:wub:
 
Mine bit the big one a while back, I just got another SATA PCI controller and back in business.
I have 10 HDs in my case, so I use the 2 SATA3 ports and two 4 port cards.
I can add 4 more drives when I get a replacement when they become available. 🙂
 
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