umbrella39
Lifer
Wow, that was fast, thank :thumbsup: Did you have it bookmarked for posterity? LOL
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It's official...Iraq was responsible for 9/11
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Wow, that was fast, thank :thumbsup: Did you have it bookmarked for posterity? LOL
TastesLikeChicken
Lifer
np
Of course. I keep it in the folder titled "Libberish". 😀
TastesLikeChicken
Lifer
Porn
😉
If by semantics you mean "I will take what he said and interpret it to mean something completely different."
Based solely on your quote, Bush stated nothing of the sort. He did link Saddam/Iraq to terrorism. He did link Saddam/Iraq to Al Qaeda. He did use 9/11 as a comparison, but I don't see anything in your quote that says Saddam/Iraq were involved in 9/11.
From a logical perspective, it seems that you are assuming that because B is a subset of A, all A are B. Read this as "because those terrorists responsbile for 9/11 are included in the category "terrorists," all terrorists were responsible for 9/11." This logic is flawed.
In fact, I've been asking over the last year for any anti-bush folks to post a direct quote where he did. My inquiry has not been satisfied.
I will concede that the media has interpreted "terrorism" to mean "Al Qaeda" and/or "9/11" over the last year.
umbrella39
Lifer
I concede that there is no quote where GWB says the exact words only if you concede that is is irrelevant and moot. Going by your logic, the only people we could ever try and convict of a crime are where there were witnesses or written or verbal confessions. Sorry, that isn't how life works. It is not all black and white like that. I think I have amply proved that Bush is more than guilty of lying by either his words, his actions, or by omission.
Again, how do you suppose that at one point 70% of this country DID in fact think 9/11 = Saddam? I am being honest in my desire for your answer to that? Was it by accident? Was it the 'liberal' media putting words into Bush's mouth? What? Because by your logic, the only way Bush can be guilty of any misrepresentation or outright lying is to catch him in a quote. They are daft but not that stupid. Their words were carefully structured to lead to conclusion X by statement Y. Some even call that propaganda.
Gen Stonewall
Senior member
The furthest that Bush has gone has been to say that Saddam and the people who orchestrated the 9/11 attacks are linked. Linking the two does not imply that each group takes part in every action of the other group. It's perfectly reasonable to presume that Saddam and al-Qaida had a relatively close connection without needing to deduce that Saddam took part in the 9/11 attacks.
He stated it but he didn't state it?
I can't speak for the rest of the country, but I keep *relatively* up to date with politics and never once though Saddam = 9/11. I can't tell you if it was by accident, but bush never said it, so they simply inferred it out of statements which did not say it.
You stated bush claimed saddam=9/11. I contend he never did and asked you to prove it with one quote. Considering all bush has said over the last ~2 years, I would think there should be at least ONE quote if your claim has any validity.
I will agree that yes, some people may have pulled the wrong message out of his speeches. I think it is in part because 9/11 is the only terrorist attack personal to the american public. It is the only connection they have with terrorism and feel that terrorism = 9/11 because of that. People had no logical basis to make that assumption, and I don't think any politician should be responsible for people making something up in their head. As quoted in the Colin Powell interview, people have denied the Iraq-9/11 connection.
I can't speak for the rest of the country, but I keep *relatively* up to date with politics and never once though Saddam = 9/11. I can't tell you if it was by accident, but bush never said it, so they simply inferred it out of statements which did not say it.
You stated bush claimed saddam=9/11. I contend he never did and asked you to prove it with one quote. Considering all bush has said over the last ~2 years, I would think there should be at least ONE quote if your claim has any validity.
I will agree that yes, some people may have pulled the wrong message out of his speeches. I think it is in part because 9/11 is the only terrorist attack personal to the american public. It is the only connection they have with terrorism and feel that terrorism = 9/11 because of that. People had no logical basis to make that assumption, and I don't think any politician should be responsible for people making something up in their head. As quoted in the Colin Powell interview, people have denied the Iraq-9/11 connection.
So now the Bush administration is guilty of convincing people of something which they did not ever say?
umbrella39
Lifer
So now the Bush administration is guilty of convincing people of something which they did not ever say?[/quote]
Well please do help me understand how so many jumped to that conclusion when by all the data we have seen, did not think so before Bush started getting on TV talking about 9/11, Iraq, and WMD's?
If you can not see why that happened then I won't expect you to be able to tell me why so many (30%= still) DO in fact still think Saddam = 9/11?
So only 5% thought so before Bush starts talking about Iraq. After a few weeks and many public speeches, that number climbed to 70%.
Only 40% since that time have become enlightened. 30 some percent still believe it. What do you think has perpetuated their total cluelessness? I am just curious. Forget the Rep and Dem stuff? Just looking for others insight as to why so many still think it is so? Mass hysteria? Hell, I have no idea.
Genx, you get the prize as the new "most annoying conservative" on this forum...
Yes, Bush and Co. never said the exact words "Saddam was responsible for 9/11", but if you can't admit the CLEAR and OBVIOUS effort they have made to tie Iraq to 9/11 leading up to the Iraq invasion, your head is so far up your arse that nothing you say or think matters anyway. Look, I'm not in love with Kerry, and there are people in this administration I dislike much more than Bush, and for the most part I try to look at things objectively - but this issue is so blatantly obvious it's not even funny. Cheney is still talking about Al-Queda links that Iraq has - remember all of the hoopla after the 9/11 commission released their report, and Cheney's subsequent interviews? You link an interview conducted 5 days after the attack and say that is proof that Cheney hasn't tried to tie 9/11 to Iraq? Give me a break. If you try to tie Al-Q to Iraq, then of course you are implying that Iraq was connected to 9/11.
Yes, Bush and Co. never said the exact words "Saddam was responsible for 9/11", but if you can't admit the CLEAR and OBVIOUS effort they have made to tie Iraq to 9/11 leading up to the Iraq invasion, your head is so far up your arse that nothing you say or think matters anyway. Look, I'm not in love with Kerry, and there are people in this administration I dislike much more than Bush, and for the most part I try to look at things objectively - but this issue is so blatantly obvious it's not even funny. Cheney is still talking about Al-Queda links that Iraq has - remember all of the hoopla after the 9/11 commission released their report, and Cheney's subsequent interviews? You link an interview conducted 5 days after the attack and say that is proof that Cheney hasn't tried to tie 9/11 to Iraq? Give me a break. If you try to tie Al-Q to Iraq, then of course you are implying that Iraq was connected to 9/11.
I think it's really more a case of a childhood game. Telephone. Bush says something. The media reports it, but not quite accurately. People read the reports and again infer something that isn't there.
Like I said before, people only know terrorism through 9/11. That is what is personal to them, so any time the president talks about terrorism, that is what they think about.
I cant answer that and if people really believed the liberal line about Iraq having ties to 9-11 then it only shows how powerful the media is in this country.
But because 69% of the people believe this does not mean it is true. It just means somebody interpreted it and managed to convince 69% of the poll respondants it was true.
Why cant you just let it go and admit there is no quote?
I take that as a compliment. That means my msg is getting through to some of you people.
Did you not read the quotes from Cheney? Are you this much in denial? And as usual the namecalling ensues.
Yet you cant come up with quotes or anykind of statement from the administration. Have you ever thought that maybe just maybe you are wrong on this one?
Linking Al-Quada with Iraq does not in anyway say Iraq was part of 9-11. THis is a jump on your part. btw the interview I linked to was from Sept 8th of 2002. They just ran a clip from the previous year showing Cheney saying no link. Cheney then goes on to backup that assertion a year later.
Only if you want to read it that way. And you really do have to want to read it and stretch the truth alot.
you have admitted you have no statements from the president on this matter yet you are still saying they said it? I mean come on, at what point do you say. "Hmm maybe I assumed a little much?"
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