Originally posted by: Lemon law
And now Dmens come back with the killer defense with---
"LOL, looks like I hit a nerve. It's so easily to trigger a giant rant against Bush from you people."
You are correct there Dmens. GWB hits a rather raw nerve.
Just as I figured. I didn't bother reading your rant because:
1. I never defended Bush's actions
2. Even if I support the Iraq action, I disagree with GWB's reasoning and of course, the execution of the war
2. I only talked about Carter's failures
BDS has obviously reduced your ability to stay on topic. Do you wake up every day griding your teeth about GWB? Pretty pathetic existence, LOL.
Semi correct---Carter was a liberal and naturally most of his support came from the liberal side. And the same thing could be said of GWB the other way. But GWB has been anything but what he promised--a divider not a uniter--a spendthrift kiting national debt---and the list is endless. But I don't think conservatives question the
motivations of Carter--what he ran on is what he ended up being--many may consider Carter naive--but not an evil. And on that point the Carter presidency rests. Not tough enough on Iran but only after Iran pro-actively kidnapped embassy personnel. Carter lost liberal support on the wimp and naive aspects---but Liberal never faulted Carter on
his core beliefs while conservatives wanted a more aggressive foreign policy..
You give Carter way too much credit if you leave it at that. That man is responsible for provoking a global communist upsurge, inciting an islamist upsurge, and of course, further ruining the domestic economy.
Carter was not just naive, he was actively sabotaging America and what it stands for. Kissing Brezhnev on the cheek? Abandoning the shah? Given four more years he would have sold Israel up the river and run the economy into the ground. I do question his motivation. Simple naivetivity cannot explain such comprehensive damage in multiple arenas in such a short period of time.
Compared to GWB? Both suck. We have yet to see the long term effects of GWB's actions, but it will be hard to top Carter's illegacy. Carter's short term damage already far outpaced GWB.
Totally wrong there Dmens---GWB lied us into a war based on totally false premises. And for awhile the war had 90% public support.
Now that the occupation has been bungled by GWB and also fails because its initial premises are false---and GWB&co. still have no insight into
what they are fighting. GWB never had any Liberal support for his ideals---but GWB is now at a point where the American people and even his base
consider his ideals flat out wrong. Not naive--but evil and wrong--even the religious right is realizing they have been duped---the same with the military and
our allies. On every front, poll numbers show severe losses in the GWB base----the only question is how low can GWB go?
Here's your BDS kicking in. I don't even agree with Bush's original reasoning for the war, but given Saddam's history of lying to inspectors, the CIA's previous findings, there is no reason to think he really had WMD. Arab pride was his reason to keep bluffing. The west cannot be expected make the choice to live under the threat of a potentially nuclear capable Iraq simply because Saddam *might* be bluffing.
So the CIA and Bush were wrong. Doesn't make them "evil", no matter how much you hate the guy. Carter on the other hand knowingly sold out every Middle East ally America had, among other things. Active intent makes Carter far worse than Bush, in my book.
