It's not a worker shortage. It's a pay people properly shortage

[SmCaudata]

I haven't spoken to a single physician colleague who doesn't agree with this.. culling of the heard.

I will say that the mandate has compounded staff shortages (nursing, RT, dietary, housekeeping for us) that already existed and seem to have a higher vaccine hesitancy. It's still the right thing to do in the long run.

Yep. There was the story about the hospital in New York that had to stop delivering babies due to nurse vaccine refusal. With infants and pregnant women both being in high risk groups, I found it disgusting that people who are supposed to care for others, would be so selfish.

Personally, I was hoping for state boards to step in to start removing licenses since it really is a patient care and safety issue.

 

[Amused]

Just looking forwards...we had a town hall with out CIO regarding Bidens mandate. Because we fall under a federal contract of sorts (medical ins company) we are compelled to enforce the mandate. Executive leadership has avoiding this for 9 months. But here we are.

According to our CIO, numbers from WADC predict 3-5% of healthcare providers will be cut. Expanding this to other fields, how will we deal with this?

GOOD! This is the best thing that ever could have happened to the medical field. Weed out those who deny evidence based scientific medicine.

For too long we've been allowing woo and quacks into the medical field with "functional" and "integrative" medicine.

There is no room in medicine for anti-vaxxers. Period.

It's like keeping auto mechanics who don't "believe in" brakes.

 

[SmCaudata]

GOOD! This is the best thing that ever could have happened to the medical field. Weed out those who deny evidence based scientific medicine.

For too long we've been allowing woo and quacks into the medical field with "functional" and "integrative" medicine.

There is no room in medicine for anti-vaxxers. Period.

It's like keeping auto mechanics who don't "believe in" brakes.

When you mention auto mechanics. I'm guessing there is a large number of antivax people that believe the snake oild of 3k oil changes or your car will blow up rather than trust newanufacturer recs of 7.5k.

 

[Greenman]

GOOD! This is the best thing that ever could have happened to the medical field. Weed out those who deny evidence based scientific medicine.

For too long we've been allowing woo and quacks into the medical field with "functional" and "integrative" medicine.

There is no room in medicine for anti-vaxxers. Period.

It's like keeping auto mechanics who don't "believe in" brakes.

Actually, it's like mechanics who believe that brakes need to work most of the time, or at least slow you down some.
I've met several people in the medical field that have chosen not to be vaccinated. These aren't stupid people, but they do have concerns about the vaccine and it's testing and approval.
The problem is that we've made vaccination a political issue as much as a medical issue. I suppose that had to happen as everything is political now. I think a more reasonable approach would be to inform anyone being treated of attending staffs vaccination status. In places like an ER vaccination would have to be mandatory.
On the personal side, I absolutely won't be getting a booster under any circumstances because of the reaction I had to the first two. That could conceivably become a problem if boosters become mandatory, or if I have clients that require a booster. At that point I would have to decline the project and possibly retire a bit early.

 

[SmCaudata]

Actually, it's like mechanics who believe that brakes need to work most of the time, or at least slow you down some.
I've met several people in the medical field that have chosen not to be vaccinated. These aren't stupid people, but they do have concerns about the vaccine and it's testing and approval.
The problem is that we've made vaccination a political issue as much as a medical issue. I suppose that had to happen as everything is political now. I think a more reasonable approach would be to inform anyone being treated of attending staffs vaccination status. In places like an ER vaccination would have to be mandatory.
On the personal side, I absolutely won't be getting a booster under any circumstances because of the reaction I had to the first two. That could conceivably become a problem if boosters become mandatory, or if I have clients that require a booster. At that point I would have to decline the project and possibly retire a bit early.

There is a study that shows having the VIRUS may lead to incorporation of the mRNA into the cell. This study is small and unpublished. Also, all vaccine side effects are are seen at higher rates with the actual virus. Any doctor that claims the vaccine is untested doesn't actually know the data or understand science. Medical school teaches you to memorize shit. There are a lot of doctors that are great at regurgitating crap but aren't actually all that smart or capable of independent thought and reasoning. Scary, yes, but true.

As to the boosters. I agree we may be premature in those. I belive the booster push is to try to compensate for the large unvaccinated population. If we had good buyin and 90% vaccine out the gate, boosters wouldn't likely be in the discussion.

 

[Greenman]

There is a study that shows having the VIRUS may lead to incorporation of the mRNA into the cell. This study is small and unpublished. Also, all vaccine side effects are are seen at higher rates with the actual virus. Any doctor that claims the vaccine is untested doesn't actually know the data or understand science. Medical school teaches you to memorize shit. There are a lot of doctors that are great at regurgitating crap but aren't actually all that smart or capable of independent thought and reasoning. Scary, yes, but true.

As to the boosters. I agree we may be premature in those. I belive the booster push is to try to compensate for the large unvaccinated population. If we had good buyin and 90% vaccine out the gate, boosters wouldn't likely be in the discussion.

None claimed it was untested, they didn't agree with aspects of the testing process. We never got into specifics.
I simply wish the entire thing hadn't turned into a political shit storm. It's now simply another justification to call each other names and point fingers of outrage. Much more of it and I'll be rooting for the gamma variant to clean up the mess.

 

[SmCaudata]

None claimed it was untested, they didn't agree with aspects of the testing process. We never got into specifics.
I simply wish the entire thing hadn't turned into a political shit storm. It's now simply another justification to call each other names and point fingers of outrage. Much more of it and I'll be rooting for the gamma variant to clean up the mess.

When you have a narcissistic leader that refuses to change course because he believes it is weak to admit he is wrong, compounded by demagoguery from an entire political party this will happen. If anyone other that Trump was our president, this would not have happened

 

[Greenman]

When you have a narcissistic leader that refuses to change course because he believes it is weak to admit he is wrong, compounded by demagoguery from an entire political party this will happen. If anyone other that Trump was our president, this would not have happened

It's an interesting bit of speculation, but I don't recall Trump being against the vaccine. Wasn't it his administration that did the "warp speed" thing and handed the pharma company's a blank check?
Like I said, and your post confirms, it's a political issue now and won't be resolved.

 

[SmCaudata]

It's an interesting bit of speculation, but I don't recall Trump being against the vaccine. Wasn't it his administration that did the "warp speed" thing and handed the pharma company's a blank check?
Like I said, and your post confirms, it's a political issue now and won't be resolved.

He came out claiming the visus was nothing and would miraculously dissapeer. When this didn't happen. He refused to correct himself and encourage masks.

When the vaccine came out, he actually didn't push for people to get vaccinated because it wasn't popular among his base. He'd rather be worshiped than do the right thing.

If he was a strong leader, an actual alpha, we wouldn't be where we are.

 

[Fenixgoon]

He came out claiming the visus was nothing and would miraculously dissapeer. When this didn't happen. He refused to correct himself and encourage masks.

When the vaccine came out, he actually didn't push for people to get vaccinated because it wasn't popular among his base. He'd rather be worshiped than do the right thing.

If he was a strong leader, an actual alpha, we wouldn't be where we are.

and when he finally did admit to getting the vaccine, and what can barely be called encouraging others to take it, he was boo'd by his own crowd

Trump booed at Alabama rally after telling supporters to get vaccinated

"But I recommend take the vaccines," Trump said. "I did it. It's good. Take the vaccines."

www.nbcnews.com

 

[TheVrolok]

I've met several people in the medical field that have chosen not to be vaccinated. These aren't stupid people, but they do have concerns about the vaccine and it's testing and approval..

Sure, there are people in the medical field who make ill informed, dumb, and in this case immoral decisions. I don't see what that point has to do with much of anything, unless you just like the appeal to authority fallacy.

 

[Amused]

Actually, it's like mechanics who believe that brakes need to work most of the time, or at least slow you down some.
I've met several people in the medical field that have chosen not to be vaccinated. These aren't stupid people, but they do have concerns about the vaccine and it's testing and approval.
The problem is that we've made vaccination a political issue as much as a medical issue. I suppose that had to happen as everything is political now. I think a more reasonable approach would be to inform anyone being treated of attending staffs vaccination status. In places like an ER vaccination would have to be mandatory.
On the personal side, I absolutely won't be getting a booster under any circumstances because of the reaction I had to the first two. That could conceivably become a problem if boosters become mandatory, or if I have clients that require a booster. At that point I would have to decline the project and possibly retire a bit early.

Curiously, over 99% of actual MDs have been vaccinated.

The lower the education level, the more likely they are to be duped by anti-vax misinformation.

In fact, the vast majority of "health workers" who have denied the vax have not been MDs or RNs. Most were admin, food and cleaning crews, followed by lower nurses.

And let's make this perfectly fucking clear right here and now: IT IS MISINFORMATION. It is in no way defensible or valid.

You cannot "both sides" with the anti-vax cult, the vast majority of whom share misinformation from "experts" who actually deny germ theory.

 

[ch33zw1z]

lol at greenman deciding who isn't stupid. I'm not sure he's the right guy for that job.

 

[soundforbjt]

lol at greenman deciding who isn't stupid. I'm not sure he's the right guy for that job.

Well, he did stay at a Holiday Inn once.

 

[dawp]

according to a 20 year veteran trucker, the port bottleneck is same thing, long hours and low pay

A 20-year truck-driving veteran explains why the solution to the supply-chain crisis is in sight but greed is getting in the way

The trucking sector is cashing in "on the mess it created," Ryan Johnson said. It could fix it by raising pay, but that would hit profits, he added.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[IronWing]

It's an interesting bit of speculation, but I don't recall Trump being against the vaccine. Wasn't it his administration that did the "warp speed" thing and handed the pharma company's a blank check?
Like I said, and your post confirms, it's a political issue now and won't be resolved.

^ Voted for bag of dogshit who made vaccine political. Next time, don't vote for a bag of dogshit. You knew what he was when you picked him up.

 

[dawp]

^ Voted for bag of dogshit who made vaccine political. Next time, don't vote for a bag of dogshit. You knew what he was when you picked him up.

the moron downplayed covid because he thought and was advised that if it was accurately reported it would damage his reelection prospects and the opposite was true when it spiraled out of control.due to the lack of action on their part.

 

[VW MAN]

^ Voted for bag of dogshit who made vaccine political. Next time, don't vote for a bag of dogshit. You knew what he was when you picked him up.

To people like him being a bag of dogshit is a feature not a bug...i mean who else was he supposed to vote for in '16, Hillary???? Lol

 

[brandonbull]

When you have a narcissistic leader that refuses to change course because he believes it is weak to admit he is wrong, compounded by demagoguery from an entire political party this will happen. If anyone other that Trump was our president, this would not have happened

Or if Democrats weren't such assholes, we wouldn't have had this mess. Facts or logic didn't enter into any equation just as long Democrats had a the opposite stance as Trump. The only thing Biden and the Democrats have delivered is blatant authoritarianism and a garbage economy.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Or if Democrats weren't such assholes, we wouldn't have had this mess. Facts or logic didn't enter into any equation just as long Democrats had a the opposite stance as Trump. The only thing Biden and the Democrats have delivered is blatant authoritarianism and a garbage economy.

Quick question: since you want to blame the Democrats for everything, are they to blame for you being such an ignorant dumb fuck?

 

[Newbian]

The solution is simple and that's child labor.

Missouri school district hires its own students to combat labor shortages - Illinois News Today

NS: Zara Barker, Nexstar Media Wire Posted: Posted November 10, 2021 / 1:38 pm CST / Has been updated: November 10, 2021 / 1:38 pm CST Jefferson County, MissouriKTVI) — It’s no secret that there are jobs in several industries across the United States, but the northwestern school district in...

illinoisnewstoday.com

Missouri school district hires its own students to combat labor shortages

Jefferson County, MissouriKTVI) — It’s no secret that there are jobs in several industries across the United States, but the northwestern school district in Jefferson County, Missouri is not exempt from a national labor shortage.

The district is currently hiring its own high school students to fill the jobs that are open in the district.

Kim Hawk, Chief Operating Officer of the district, said: “We had a hard time finding help. If you drive around and see signs of needing help everywhere, you know that competition is fierce, so we know we need to make other plans. I did. “


Last week, the district held job fairs to hold several positions, from cooks to maintenance and after-school childcare.



“We have children who are very capable and able to do a good job in this community and other workplaces. Look back and explain why we don’t use those resources in our facility. Please, “said Desi Kirchhofer, director of the Northwest School District.


Twenty-five students applied for work. We are currently in an onboarding process that includes fingerprints. The district said that wages are within the minimum wage, but time is a big perk.

Minimal wage and they wonder why.

 

[SmCaudata]

Or if Democrats weren't such assholes, we wouldn't have had this mess. Facts or logic didn't enter into any equation just as long Democrats had a the opposite stance as Trump. The only thing Biden and the Democrats have delivered is blatant authoritarianism and a garbage economy.

We are living in Trumps economy right now. So redirect that anger man.

Also, blaming the dems for just doing the opposite of Trump is ridiculous. They were supporting vaccines and masks before Trump became so blatantly opposed.

Lastly, if you dislike "doing the opposite" you must really be pissed that for 8 years of Obama and 4 years of Trump, the only goal of the Republicans was to block or undo anything "the black guy" did. You are a fucking hypocrite.

Currently while democrats are trying to pass legislation that will be a win for the American people, Republicans are blocking them to prevent Biden from "winning". By blocking democrats, Republicans can ride their own failed policies into a political win by pinning it on the Democrats. This works because many republican voters are gullible morons that only vote because they are told who to hate by the GOP. Why do you support the party that is more interested in political theater than the one fighting for citizens?

Facts don't matter when you are a right wing nut job though.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Or if Democrats weren't such assholes, we wouldn't have had this mess. Facts or logic didn't enter into any equation just as long Democrats had a the opposite stance as Trump. The only thing Biden and the Democrats have delivered is blatant authoritarianism and a garbage economy.

You're projecting.

 

[ch33zw1z]

You're projecting.

What? These guys are a kind hearted bunch