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It's not a worker shortage. It's a pay people properly shortage

JEDI

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Workers are tired of low pay.
With the savings accumulated from Covid (and fed Covid payouts), they can be picky about jobs.

Dinosaur execs are sticking to their low pay guns.
they're gambling that the workers will cave before they run out of customers
 

sportage

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It's great to see the workers revolution i.e. uprising. In the past this was done thru the unions, however past years of republican rule have for the most part rendered unions powerless. Republicans devised a plan to slowly but effectively bleed and drain those America unions like a vampire draining its victims. And so, without the protections of the unions, todays workers have taken it upon themselves to fight back. It is interesting to watch governors within those republican controlled states fighting against this uprising tooth and nail. Democrats give workers assistance, republicans take it away. Biden passed the stimulus package, and republican governors blocked those funds from reaching the worker, the needy.

And still, the workers resist. They resist unsafe working conditions, they resist poverty wages, and they resist working for no benefits. Yet, republican governors must figure out a way in forcing this worker uprising back into the workplace at crappy wages and no benefits. Republican governors are not offering a solution nor understanding, they only offer threats and revenge for non complaisance. All this, while billionaires like Jeff Bezos plays spaceship, and wall street CEO's seek more billions over the billions they already get. But for that, they must rely on republican congress and republican presidents.

Truth is, America is wealthy enough, more than wealthy enough, to give every single American worker a very nice living with a very generous wage with lots of generous benefits. America should have no poverty nor suffering. America should have and could have so many good paying jobs that the problem of homelessness would dry up on its own. And this is not socialism in any means, this is simply a level playing field and elimination of THE GREED. And those poor sap republicans, and many democrats as well actually believe that Donald Trump and republican congresses are going to give the America worker that life which they seek. Imagine THAT....
 

K1052

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The US labor force shrunk by a few million people and it's not evident all or even many of those people are going to return. Those that do will have way more options than to take the first minimum wage job that waves at them. A lot of companies are failing to grasp this reality thinking it is 2008 all over again and that people should be beating down their doors to take their jobs.
 

Zorba

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I doubt it'll happen because the senate is dysfunctional, but it'd be nice if dems could pass some new worker protections. Like banning non-compete agreements nation wide, ban change of venue for employment disputes, increasing punishment and enforcement for wage theft, etc.
 
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nOOky

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Everyone in the privately owned company I work for just received a raise. It was touted as a reward for working through covid, but it really was a correction to match other pay levels in similar industries to try and attract new employees, and to keep from losing existing employees to competition.

The family that owns the company are likely worth over a billion dollars, the owner that is leaving it to his kids reportedly has over 900 million in his bank accounts. It is estimated that the raises will cost around a half million dollars a year from his bottom line. I hope he manages to make it through without have to borrow money for his rent payment.

This is exactly my personal argument for socialism. When the tax rate was cut in 2017 by DJT do you want to guess how many extra employees were hired, or how much of a raise we got? How about offering a tax rebate, but only if you can show you paid your employees more in salary or benefits or new hires?

My example is only one of thousands across the country. When I talk about this with people, some tell me "well you can leave if you don't like it" and others say "it would be nice if they shared more of the profits with the employees".
 

pauldun170

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LOL,
Coincidentally, prepping for a Halloween gathering that I don't want to go to where I am expected to make conversation with other husbands who just so happen to have jumped off the deep end. "You ever watch Ben Shapiro? You ever listen to "insert jackass youtube channel"? I read a thing on (insert another moronic Foxnews editorial\New York Post editorial) and since this are union guys this is one of the bull shit topics that is going to come up. Probably this, critical race theory and how proud boys aren't that bad.

Might as well save some tidbits here

First a tidbit from 2019


Now this year

Paul Nolte, portfolio manager at Kingsview Investment Management in Chicago, said labor shortages seem to be more of a problem for some industries than others.

"Customer-facing businesses" that were forced to close during the pandemic lockdowns are having a hard time filling jobs and getting back up to speed, he said, while "manufacturers never quite completely shut down."

The bulk of the extra job openings are concentrated in a few sectors. Leisure and hospitality businesses—hotels, bars, restaurants, casinos, museums, and live entertainment venues—are posting many more job openings than in the past because they need to replace the workers who were laid off earlier in the pandemic and ended up moving on to other positions. State and local governments that slashed spending on public schools and other programs are similarly trying to replace workers they had slashed.



Key Themes and Takeaways
  • Today’s perceived labor shortage—the coexistence of record job openings with high unemployment—reflects COVID-related changes in labor supply and the dynamics of labor market re-equilibration during a period of rapidly rebounding demand.
  • During the pandemic, labor force participation declined most sharply for women with family responsibilities and for workers over 55. Women’s labor force participation is expected to increase in late 2021, but the decline for older workers reflects a wave of early retirements that will reduce the labor force beyond 2021.
  • Matching unemployed workers to job openings is more difficult now than in the early phase of the recovery due to the exhaustion of worker recalls, increasing skill gaps in particular occupations, and a closing employment gap.
  • Wage increases in 2021 thus far are concentrated in low-wage service jobs which experienced the highest COVID-related losses, and especially in Leisure and Hospitality.
  • The expiration of expanded unemployment insurance benefits is likely to impact wage and employment changes primarily in Leisure and Hospitality. Preliminary evidence from states that have already terminated benefits do not show employment effects in other sectors.
Women have disproportionately withdrawn from the labor force.
At the pandemic’s onset, more women than men exited the labor force. After schools and daycare centers closed, many women stopped working to take care of children or support other family members at home. Using responses to a question from the Current Population Survey (CPS) about the key reasons individuals are not in the labor force, we estimate that in April 2020, almost 1.4 million women left the labor force specifically to take care of their family.IPUMS-CPS, University of Minnesota, www.ipums.org. While many women have returned to work since the pandemic’s beginning, the number of women who report being out of the labor force in order to take care of their family has remained high. In May 2021, this group of women accounted for more than 60% of the total drop in the female labor force participation since March 2020, an increase from 38% of the drop at the pandemic’s onset. As schools and daycare centers fully reopen this fall, many of these women may be able to return to work.
Baby boomers are retiring faster than ever.
The pandemic also led to an increase in the rate of retirement among older Americans. Between 2016 and 2020, 2.6% of the population 55 and older retired annually. During the pandemic, this rate increased to 3.3%. Some older workers who lost their jobs during the pandemic decided to retire instead of looking for a new job, while others retired due to health concerns posed by the pandemic. Overall, we estimate there were at least 500,000 more retirements from May 2020 to April 2021 than expected from the pre-pandemic trend.
Unexpected retirements can have important effects on the labor market, particularly in industries or occupations with a relatively high share of older workers. For example, COVID-related retirements may have worsened an existing shortage of long-haul truckers. June 1, 2021. In 2020, 30% of Truck Transportation workers were age 55 or older, per CPS data.

lust might grow as week goes on. May stop here if I can weasel out of going.
 
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SmCaudata

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Dan Price Twitter account has all sorts of infuriating comments with evidence.

I feel like capping salary deductions atb$500k or so including bonuses would have a huge impact on runaway salaries.
 
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sandorski

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LOL,
Coincidentally, prepping for a Halloween gathering that I don't want to go to where I am expected to make conversation with other husbands who just so happen to have jumped off the deep end. "You ever watch Ben Shapiro? You ever listen to "insert jackass youtube channel"? I read a thing on (insert another moronic Foxnews editorial\New York Post editorial) and since this are union guys this is one of the bull shit topics that is going to come up. Probably this, critical race theory and how proud boys aren't that bad.

Might as well save some tidbits here

First a tidbit from 2019


Now this year
















lust might grow as week goes on. May stop here if I can weasel out of going.
Weird. It is almost like Immigrants are Good.
 
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Zorba

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Weird. It is almost like Immigrants are Good.
If you want jobs filled. Unfilled jobs should push salaries higher.

But yeah, if we actually want everything back to "normal," we need immigration and a lot of it.
 

hal2kilo

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If you want jobs filled. Unfilled jobs should push salaries higher.

But yeah, if we actually want everything back to "normal," we need immigration and a lot of it.
How can we have a decent country with people like you promoting OPEN BORDERS. /s
 

sandorski

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If you want jobs filled. Unfilled jobs should push salaries higher.

But yeah, if we actually want everything back to "normal," we need immigration and a lot of it.
Increasing the Minimum Wage also will push Salaries higher.
 
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pauldun170

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Missing from your article is anything about higher pay or wage increases.

The average wage for the retail giant's supply chain associates is $20.37 per hour.
Job openings include
- equipment operators
- repair technicians
- freight handlers
- order filler/lift drivers just to name a few.

Something tells me there will be one long stick and several short sticks handed out at the compensation lottery,
 

njdevilsfan87

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I think it's not just a pay people fairly shortage, but give people more time off shortage too. Remember how long the school years used to seem a child, but the anticipation and reward of summer vacation?

But that's anti-capitalist since people would have the time to self improve and thus have to be paid more, as a result of their time off.
 
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soundforbjt

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Missing from your article is anything about higher pay or wage increases.

The average wage for the retail giant's supply chain associates is $20.37 per hour.
Job openings include
- equipment operators
- repair technicians
- freight handlers
- order filler/lift drivers just to name a few.

Something tells me there will be one long stick and several short sticks handed out at the compensation lottery,
Walmart famously hires part time labor, stopping their hours just short of 40 hours so they don’t have to provide full time benefits (at least that used to be store practice).
 

SmCaudata

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Walmart famously hires part time labor, stopping their hours just short of 40 hours so they don’t have to provide full time benefits (at least that used to be store practice).
Which is why I believe corporate tax rates should vary based on things like starting compensation VS CEO pay, percantage of people with 401k and health ins, leave policies etc. Reward employers that treat employees humanely. This is justified because those employees are less of a drain on tax dollars.
 

blackangst1

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Just looking forwards...we had a town hall with out CIO regarding Bidens mandate. Because we fall under a federal contract of sorts (medical ins company) we are compelled to enforce the mandate. Executive leadership has avoiding this for 9 months. But here we are.

According to our CIO, numbers from WADC predict 3-5% of healthcare providers will be cut. Expanding this to other fields, how will we deal with this?
 

SmCaudata

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Just looking forwards...we had a town hall with out CIO regarding Bidens mandate. Because we fall under a federal contract of sorts (medical ins company) we are compelled to enforce the mandate. Executive leadership has avoiding this for 9 months. But here we are.

According to our CIO, numbers from WADC predict 3-5% of healthcare providers will be cut. Expanding this to other fields, how will we deal with this?
Are you talking vaccine mandate? Good riddance to any health care worker that refuses the vaccine. As a physician, I had to get vaccines that I don't need, like Hep B. My lifestyle doesn't put me at risk. Also, I have to get the flu shot yearly and I'm required to be up to date on others. I do this to protect patients.

Any health care worker that fights this mandate shouldn't be taking care of patients. So again, good riddance.
 

TheVrolok

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Any health care worker that fights this mandate shouldn't be taking care of patients. So again, good riddance.
I haven't spoken to a single physician colleague who doesn't agree with this.. culling of the heard.

I will say that the mandate has compounded staff shortages (nursing, RT, dietary, housekeeping for us) that already existed and seem to have a higher vaccine hesitancy. It's still the right thing to do in the long run.
 

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