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It's interesting how the media has protrayed this VT story

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steppinthrax

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I remember hearing about this case from the very beginning when they didn't identify the person but stated this was an "Asian male". I find it interesting they used that demographic "Asian". I seems like it was done kind of on purpose becuase if they never said "Asian" most people would of thought this was some sort of middle eastern terrorist. Why not say a white male. A second thing that is interesting is the fact that everybody seems so surprised by this happening......

1. Mostly all college campuses are open to the enviroment where anybody can go inside and out. This is mainly done to manifest an academic free enviroment. The question was not if it was going to happen but when.

2. If this guy was middle eastern would this be ruled initially as a terrorist shooting etc....

3. Why is south Korea appologizing to the United States. This guy had a green card and was on his way to become a U.S. citizen he kind of gave up his foreign nationalism long time ago.

4. Considering VT is an upper level (kind of Ivy league). Would the response of journalism be any different if it was bum fvuck college or some sort of CC. It kind of goes along with the perception (stereotype) that people have. Smarter intelegent people =! (not equal to) mass murders, drinkers, loaners etc.... These kids were well off and came from the upper class. If this was a historical black college/univer what would you see.

5. I live in Maryland. We have University of Maryland. An upper level University in Maryland specilizing mainly in eng. Anyway, We have systems in place that will put a section of buildings in lockdown mode automatically similar to a prision control board. I believe after this incident the system was demonstrated on local news stations to show if this were to happen here etc etc... Anyway this college (VT) was is nammed Virginia Tech Right??? Tech, right. It's like I name my store cell phones are us but don't sell any cell phones.
 
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Why not say a white male.
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Because he's from South Korea, which is in Asia?
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In this demographically ignorant and ethnically dichotomic society we live in. I would be surprised if a White Male knows anything more then.

White
Black
Middle Eastern (after 9/11)
 
Originally posted by: steppinthrax
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Why not say a white male.
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Because he's from South Korea, which is in Asia?
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In this demographically ignorant and ethnically dichotomic society we live in. I would be surprised if a White Male knows anything more then.

White
Black
Middle Eastern (after 9/11)
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Are you actually implying that white males can't differentiate between Asian chicks and Latino chicks?
 
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: steppinthrax
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Why not say a white male.
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Because he's from South Korea, which is in Asia?
Click to expand...

In this demographically ignorant and ethnically dichotomic society we live in. I would be surprised if a White Male knows anything more then.

White
Black
Middle Eastern (after 9/11)
Click to expand...

Are you actually implying that white males can't differentiate between Asian chicks and Latino chicks?
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Many Americans tend to have a limited knowledge of different cultures. You will find foreigners tend to know more about other ethnicities then most Americans. We are an ethnocentric culture. I'm surprised they used the term Asian male. I wouldn't
be surprised if they used white male.
 
Originally posted by: steppinthrax
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Why not say a white male.
Click to expand...
Because he's from South Korea, which is in Asia?
Click to expand...

In this demographically ignorant and ethnically dichotomic society we live in. I would be surprised if a White Male knows anything more then.

White
Black
Middle Eastern (after 9/11)
Click to expand...

typically, haven't the perpetrators of school shootings generally been white males? so in that regard, it seems like it might be newsworthy to mention the shooters ethnicity.

or am I thinking of serial killers?...
 
Originally posted by: steppinthrax
Many Americans tend to have a limited knowledge of different cultures. You will find foreigners tend to know more about other ethnicities then most Americans. We are an ethnocentric culture. I'm surprised they used the term Asian male. I wouldn't
be surprised if they used white male.
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We're ethnocentric, but also xenophobic. There is your explanation.
 
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: steppinthrax
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Why not say a white male.
Click to expand...
Because he's from South Korea, which is in Asia?
Click to expand...

In this demographically ignorant and ethnically dichotomic society we live in. I would be surprised if a White Male knows anything more then.

White
Black
Middle Eastern (after 9/11)
Click to expand...

typically, haven't the perpetrators of school shootings generally been white males? so in that regard, it seems like it might be newsworthy to mention the shooters ethnicity.

or am I thinking of serial killers?...
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Yeah,

Didn't think of that. Most schools shooters have been white males. So ovbioully this was some aberation. Almost like catching a 10 foot long fish. Something newsworthy.
 
I think there are going to be big questions about why the didn?t lock down after the first shooting.

I don?t blame the police for the action they took, in EVERY other similar event at colleges across the country one spat of domestic violence does not lead to mass murder.
But after this colleges will change their way of working.
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I think there are going to be big questions about why the didn?t lock down after the first shooting.

I don?t blame the police for the action they took, in EVERY other similar event at colleges across the country one spat of domestic violence does not lead to mass murder.
But after this colleges will change their way of working.
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Sorry John but I don't think a double murder in a stairwell can be described as a "spat of domestic violence"

If this incident happened at a liberal arts college in New England, I think a lot of people here would be a LOT more critical of how everything was handled. Lets not set a double standard here, they messed up plain and simple. No excuses for how the police and university handled the situation.
 
Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Sorry John but I don't think a double murder in a stairwell can be described as a "spat of domestic violence"

If this incident happened at a liberal arts college in New England, I think a lot of people here would be a LOT more critical of how everything was handled. Lets not set a double standard here, they messed up plain and simple. No excuses for how the police and university handled the situation.
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How many times a year does some guy go off the deep end and kill his girlfriend?
I am sure a few dozen if not over a hundred times. And in how many of those cases did the guy then go off and kill dozens of other people? Just this once.

They (VaTech) did what every other school in the country would have done. Sadly it was the wrong thing.
In the future you can be sure that at the first sign of trouble school will go into lockdown and classes will be cancelled etc.

I won?t blame them for not locking down the school and going into panic mode after the first killing. But I will blame them for what sounds like a slow ass response when the second attacks began. You think they would have been at least a little ready incase something else happened and been on sight with in minutes of the first 9-11 call.

Does anyone know how long it took before the police entered the building?
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Sorry John but I don't think a double murder in a stairwell can be described as a "spat of domestic violence"

If this incident happened at a liberal arts college in New England, I think a lot of people here would be a LOT more critical of how everything was handled. Lets not set a double standard here, they messed up plain and simple. No excuses for how the police and university handled the situation.
Click to expand...
How many times a year does some guy go off the deep end and kill his girlfriend?
I am sure a few dozen if not over a hundred times. And in how many of those cases did the guy then go off and kill dozens of other people? Just this once.

They (VaTech) did what every other school in the country would have done. Sadly it was the wrong thing.
In the future you can be sure that at the first sign of trouble school will go into lockdown and classes will be cancelled etc.

I won?t blame them for not locking down the school and going into panic mode after the first killing. But I will blame them for what sounds like a slow ass response when the second attacks began. You think they would have been at least a little ready incase something else happened and been on sight with in minutes of the first 9-11 call.

Does anyone know how long it took before the police entered the building?
Click to expand...

You should ask yourself a simple question. How often do you hear about a double murder in a dorm facility on a college campus? That is the one factor that you are ignoring, and it is a significant factor when making a risk assessment.
 
Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Sorry John but I don't think a double murder in a stairwell can be described as a "spat of domestic violence"

If this incident happened at a liberal arts college in New England, I think a lot of people here would be a LOT more critical of how everything was handled. Lets not set a double standard here, they messed up plain and simple. No excuses for how the police and university handled the situation.
Click to expand...
How many times a year does some guy go off the deep end and kill his girlfriend?
I am sure a few dozen if not over a hundred times. And in how many of those cases did the guy then go off and kill dozens of other people? Just this once.

They (VaTech) did what every other school in the country would have done. Sadly it was the wrong thing.
In the future you can be sure that at the first sign of trouble school will go into lockdown and classes will be cancelled etc.

I won?t blame them for not locking down the school and going into panic mode after the first killing. But I will blame them for what sounds like a slow ass response when the second attacks began. You think they would have been at least a little ready incase something else happened and been on sight with in minutes of the first 9-11 call.

Does anyone know how long it took before the police entered the building?
Click to expand...

You should ask yourself a simple question. How often do you hear about a double murder in a dorm facility on a college campus? That is the one factor that you are ignoring, and it is a significant factor when making a risk assessment.
Click to expand...

Nonprofjon is in the habit of making excuses for everyone and everything.
 
Originally posted by: steppinthrax
I remember hearing about this case from the very beginning when they didn't identify the person but stated this was an "Asian male". I find it interesting they used that demographic "Asian". I seems like it was done kind of on purpose becuase if they never said "Asian" most people would of thought this was some sort of middle eastern terrorist. Why not say a white male. A second thing that is interesting is the fact that everybody seems so surprised by this happening......

1. Mostly all college campuses are open to the enviroment where anybody can go inside and out. This is mainly done to manifest an academic free enviroment. The question was not if it was going to happen but when.

2. If this guy was middle eastern would this be ruled initially as a terrorist shooting etc....

3. Why is south Korea appologizing to the United States. This guy had a green card and was on his way to become a U.S. citizen he kind of gave up his foreign nationalism long time ago.

4. Considering VT is an upper level (kind of Ivy league). Would the response of journalism be any different if it was bum fvuck college or some sort of CC. It kind of goes along with the perception (stereotype) that people have. Smarter intelegent people =! (not equal to) mass murders, drinkers, loaners etc.... These kids were well off and came from the upper class. If this was a historical black college/univer what would you see.

5. I live in Maryland. We have University of Maryland. An upper level University in Maryland specilizing mainly in eng. Anyway, We have systems in place that will put a section of buildings in lockdown mode automatically similar to a prision control board. I believe after this incident the system was demonstrated on local news stations to show if this were to happen here etc etc... Anyway this college (VT) was is nammed Virginia Tech Right??? Tech, right. It's like I name my store cell phones are us but don't sell any cell phones.
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I still don't get it. Whats your beef with them calling him an "Asian male"?

<---asian male
 
Originally posted by: Bumrush99
You should ask yourself a simple question. How often do you hear about a double murder in a dorm facility on a college campus? That is the one factor that you are ignoring, and it is a significant factor when making a risk assessment.
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In 2004 there were 11 reported murders on colleges across the country.
How many of those turned into deadly killing sprees? NONE.
Link
(I believe these numbers only include on campus crime. I would guess that there were a few off campus murders as well.)
 
Originally posted by: steppinthrax
I remember hearing about this case from the very beginning when they didn't identify the person but stated this was an "Asian male". I find it interesting they used that demographic "Asian". I seems like it was done kind of on purpose becuase if they never said "Asian" most people would of thought this was some sort of middle eastern terrorist. Why not say a white male. A second thing that is interesting is the fact that everybody seems so surprised by this happening......
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I don't understand your issue here... Of course they used the description "asian male" on purpose.

The initial reports were from eye witnesses... before the shooter was identified. Nobody knew his nationality. All they knew was what they saw. And what they saw was an asian male. Hence, the description. Why would you report the suspect as a white guy when all the witnesses are saying he was asian?

Second, I don't think anyone would have automtically thought the shooter was a middle eastern terrorist without the asian description. Terrorists blow things up... they try to cause as much mayhem as fast as possible so there is no chance of being stopped. This kind of thing seems to be white guy territory. That was actually my first thought until the asian descriptor became known.

And yes, people were surprised. Shocked is probably a better word though. How many times has a guy flipped out and murdered 32 people? Once now. School shootings happen but they are not an everyday occurance.

Your other questions:

1. I disagree. These things are possible (obviously) but they are not inevitable.
2. Moot point - I'm sure the subject would have been brought up as a possibility but nobody would have said straight up "this was terrorism" without some sort of confirmation.
3. It's called international relations.
4. Any mass shooting like this would have generated the same press response no matter where it happened. VT, Brown, Grambling, a shopping mall in Iowa...
5. Ummm... yeah.
 
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: steppinthrax
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Why not say a white male.
Click to expand...
Because he's from South Korea, which is in Asia?
Click to expand...

In this demographically ignorant and ethnically dichotomic society we live in. I would be surprised if a White Male knows anything more then.

White
Black
Middle Eastern (after 9/11)
Click to expand...

Are you actually implying that white males can't differentiate between Asian chicks and Latino chicks?
Click to expand...


Actually, many cant. My wife is filipina, which has a strong malay influence, which tend to be darker skinned. We live in Phoenix (FULL of latino/a) and my wife gets asked at least once a week if she's mexican. People in this country need to do a little travelling lol
 
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Sorry John but I don't think a double murder in a stairwell can be described as a "spat of domestic violence"

If this incident happened at a liberal arts college in New England, I think a lot of people here would be a LOT more critical of how everything was handled. Lets not set a double standard here, they messed up plain and simple. No excuses for how the police and university handled the situation.
Click to expand...
How many times a year does some guy go off the deep end and kill his girlfriend?
I am sure a few dozen if not over a hundred times. And in how many of those cases did the guy then go off and kill dozens of other people? Just this once.

They (VaTech) did what every other school in the country would have done. Sadly it was the wrong thing.
In the future you can be sure that at the first sign of trouble school will go into lockdown and classes will be cancelled etc.

I won?t blame them for not locking down the school and going into panic mode after the first killing. But I will blame them for what sounds like a slow ass response when the second attacks began. You think they would have been at least a little ready incase something else happened and been on sight with in minutes of the first 9-11 call.

Does anyone know how long it took before the police entered the building?
Click to expand...

You should ask yourself a simple question. How often do you hear about a double murder in a dorm facility on a college campus? That is the one factor that you are ignoring, and it is a significant factor when making a risk assessment.
Click to expand...

Nonprofjon is in the habit of making excuses for everyone and everything that fits his agenda.
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Corrected
 
Originally posted by: steppinthrax
Many Americans tend to have a limited knowledge of different cultures. You will find foreigners tend to know more about other ethnicities then most Americans. We are an ethnocentric culture. I'm surprised they used the term Asian male. I wouldn't
be surprised if they used white male.
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Stereotyping for the win 🙂


Actually most Americans don't really care. go to some asian countries and you will know they know more about ethnicities because they treat non-Asians as second class citizens.

 
Given what was known at the time, if the shooter was an white male, thats how the police description would go out.---as a Caucasian male. But in the Asian genetics, you are less likely to get variations in hair color.

I just see this whole thread as an attempt to inject in racism when racism is not an issue.

Let me know when colleges and Universities start selectively screening their Asians students for mental stability. Although in this case, the warning signs were there, and given the prior stunts he was pulling, they should have been screening ANY STUDENT who was pulling those set of behaviors.
 
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Given what was known at the time, if the shooter was an white male, thats how the police description would go out.---as a Caucasian male. But in the Asian genetics, you are less likely to get variations in hair color.

I just see this whole thread as an attempt to inject in racism when racism is not an issue.

Let me know when colleges and Universities start selectively screening their Asians students for mental stability. Although in this case, the warning signs were there, and given the prior stunts he was pulling, they should have been screening ANY STUDENT who was pulling those set of behaviors.
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The discussion is not about the immediate portrayal - for police and security purposes. those, indeed, have to be as accurate and helpful as possible.
The problem being discussed is about headlines and stories in the media, *following* the incident.
 
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