It's good to see millennials pushing back

[MrColin]

...because this is ridiculous.
https://reason.com/archives/2015/11/02/a-new-sexual-revolt-is-underway-at-briti

It hasn't quite reached the boob-baring, free-lovin’ level of Woodstock yet, but a sexual revolt of sorts is underway on campus. In Britain, some male students are refusing to attend their university’s sexual-consent classes, and I reckon this could be the first salvo in a sexual uprising against the gender-studies prudes now running (and ruining) student life.

George Lawlor, a student at Warwick University, started a firestorm when he wrote a piece for a student newspaper called The Tab, headlined "Why I Don’t Need Consent Classes." Not only did he tell the "self-appointed teachers of consent" to "get off your fucking high horse"—even worse, in the eyes of the raunch-allergic feminists who staff Britain’s students’ unions, he posted a photo of himself holding a sign saying: "This is not what a rapist looks like."

Growing up in Wisconsin, they covered consent, and the wrongness of rape in less than 5 to 10 minutes in our public school sex-ed curriculum, which was appropriately rolled into a 7th grade biology class. That was enough and no amount of education would have helped the two rapists in my class that I know of. Namely, Jeff Hilgers and Eric Bratley. Jeff groped girls on the school bus and became a corrections officer and kiddie porn aficionado, while Eric used a fake police car to pull his victims over on the highway.

For you folks who grew up in red states with no sex-ed, let me tell you now, rape is very bad. It screws up a person's sexuality for the rest of their life.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

For you folks who grew up in red states with no sex-ed, let me tell you now, rape is very bad. It screws up a person's sexuality for the rest of their life.

Funny I grew up in a red state and my parents taught me that rape was not only bad but unacceptable. No sex ed needed

 

[PokerGuy]

For you folks who grew up in red states with no sex-ed, let me tell you now, rape is very bad. It screws up a person's sexuality for the rest of their life.

If you need a school sex-ed class (or any class for that matter) to tell you that, your parents failed in a major way. That's probably a good indicator of how screwed up our society has become, that we think such things need to be taught in a school rather than be part of your upbringing at home.

As for the OP, I can only hope that some sort of back lash against the insane PC stuff comes about, but I think it's going to keep going a lot further the wrong way before it gets better.

 

[waggy]

Funny I grew up in a red state and my parents taught me that rape was not only bad but unacceptable. No sex ed needed

same. weird eh?

 

[boomerang]

For you folks who grew up in red states with no sex-ed, let me tell you now, rape is very bad

Which red states are you talking about? Is there a list somewhere?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

If you need a school sex-ed class (or any class for that matter) to tell you that, your parents failed in a major way. That's probably a good indicator of how screwed up our society has become, that we think such things need to be taught in a school rather than be part of your upbringing at home.

As for the OP, I can only hope that some sort of back lash against the insane PC stuff comes about, but I think it's going to keep going a lot further the wrong way before it gets better.

So just to clarify, you are against teaching sex-ed in school?

 

[MrColin]

Which red states are you talking about? Is there a list somewhere?

In NC where I live now, my generation needed a signed permission form from their parents to attend sex ed classes (by law). I've heard conservative parents complain about how the schools will send their daughters home with a banana and a condom. I think it's a bible-belt issue mostly.

 

[MrColin]

Funny I grew up in a red state and my parents taught me that rape was not only bad but unacceptable.

Excellent point, not everyone has competent parents though.

 

[Greenman]

You really needed a sex ed class to learn that rape is bad? You're parents never saw fit to mention that to you?

 

[MrColin]

You really needed a sex ed class to learn that rape is bad? You're parents never saw fit to mention that to you?

*your*

Mine did, apparently not all parents do. Far-right religious parents and drugged out child raping parents seem to suck at it the most.

 

[boomerang]

In NC where I live now, my generation needed a signed permission form from their parents to attend sex ed classes (by law). I've heard conservative parents complain about how the schools will send their daughters home with a banana and a condom. I think it's a bible-belt issue mostly.

I see. But just so I'm clear, because I'm trying to learn something here it's exclusive to red states, correct?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Honestly I don't remember having rape being discussed as bad in High School we did have a pretty thorough Sex ED that started in 6th grade. I don't remember any real discussion with my Parents other than I asked what happened during a news story and was told its bad to force. I always assumed people know it bad.

 

[glenn1]

Funny I grew up in a red state and my parents taught me that rape was not only bad but unacceptable. No sex ed needed

You're missing the point. With modern feminism, consent and rape are just the vehicles for the real agenda of a desire for control and power. They've also infantilized women to believe they have no agency when it comes to commonsense approaches to avoid victimization - sure a rapist is an autonomous person who has total accountability for their actions just as a dog is accountable for biting you but that doesn't mean you should ignore common safety guidelines by saying "just teach the dog it's not OK to bite."

 

[PokerGuy]

So just to clarify, you are against teaching sex-ed in school?

If that's what you got from my statement, you need to go back and re-read it. I said no such thing.

OP said: "For you folks who grew up in red states with no sex-ed, let me tell you now, rape is very bad."

My point is that you don't need to have had a sex-ed class to know that rape is a terrible thing. One should expect that you'd know that regardless of what classes you have or have not had in school.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

If that's what you got from my statement, you need to go back and re-read it. I said no such thing.

OP said: "For you folks who grew up in red states with no sex-ed, let me tell you now, rape is very bad."

My point is that you don't need to have had a sex-ed class to know that rape is a terrible thing. One should expect that you'd know that regardless of what classes you have or have not had in school.

My mistake, I misread it. And yea, if you need anyone to tell you rape is bad, you need help. No matter your political or religious leanings.

 

[Jaskalas]

It'd be nice to be thorough and teach that your partner needs to be fully conscious and reciprocating... and that if you get drunk there's a high chance of rape occurring.

Many of these cases are "she didn't say no" or "she didn't resist".
Rape is too often viewed as something that has to be forced or violent.

 

[waggy]

My mistake, I misread it. And yea, if you need anyone to tell you rape is bad, you need help. No matter your political or religious leanings.

I agree. I don't see how anyone who does not have mental issues need's to be told rape is bad. it's something one should figure out.

 

[Jaskalas]

I agree. I don't see how anyone who does not have mental issues need's to be told rape is bad. it's something one should figure out.

Do people understand what rape is?
A teen survey suggests otherwise.

 

[FerrelGeek]

My mistake, I misread it. And yea, if you need anyone to tell you rape is bad, you need help. No matter your political or religious leanings.

Exactly this, which is what made the OP's 'red state' comment so absurdly trollish.

 

[soulcougher73]

Doesnt not raping someone just come natural to you all as a bad thing? I dont think i was taught that, just made sense to not rape people lol

 

[purbeast0]

i don't remember them teaching us that rape was bad in school because they didn't teach it in school. everyone i grew up knew it was bad due to common fucking sense.

 

[highland145]

i don't remember them teaching us that rape was bad in school because they didn't teach it in school. everyone i grew up knew it was bad due to common fucking sense.

So the blue state kids need to be taught that, says the OP?

 

[Jaskalas]

i don't remember them teaching us that rape was bad in school because they didn't teach it in school. everyone i grew up knew it was bad due to common fucking sense.

Common sense does not stop students from getting drunk and raping.
Some people view rape with enough concern as to warrant student instruction.

 

[MrColin]

I see. But just so I'm clear, because I'm trying to learn something here it's exclusive to red states, correct?

Since this is AT P&N, I'm going to say "yes." Happy now?

 

[glenn1]

It'd be nice to be thorough and teach that your partner needs to be fully conscious and reciprocating... and that if you get drunk there's a high chance of rape occurring.

Many of these cases are "she didn't say no" or "she didn't resist".
Rape is too often viewed as something that has to be forced or violent.

Those are the easy ones. Whereas the examples when the incident isn't reported until later and thus no physical evidence exists, and the alleged suspect maintains he did receive explicit consent. In such a case moving the evidence standard away from 'beyond a reasonable doubt' to 'preponderance of evidence' is a complete farce and mockery of justice.