It's done- Healthcare bill passes

[Narmer]

You don't understand do you? The way to compete vs China and India is to lower labor costs, not protectionism.

Have you really thought this through? That is like inviting deflation into your home, which can be far worse than inflation. Look at Japan. Depressing wages of first-world nations to match those in third-world nations, where the latter has a ppp advantage, is like putting a giant into a gnome's house. You would basically be asking the entire economy to take a price cut.

No intention of being offensive here but your thought process is a bit simplistic. However, if you can explain how this would work then I am all ears.

 

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[Zebo]

You don't understand do you? The way to compete vs China and India is to lower labor costs, not protectionism.

Total BS Germany proves that. High labor costs + high production. It exports more than China with 1/10th population, in fact without PIIGS leaching off her, EU leaching off her, Israel leaching off her, East Germany leaching off her she'd be richest country in the world per capita with strong socialism, unions, wages and UHC.

 

[shortylickens]

The US can finally join the rest of the industrialized world.

Huzzah! 4 out of every 7 of my dollars, GONE!!!!!
Weeeeeee!!

Also, not really. Most other industrialized countries have government run health care. We do not.
We have private health care that runs itself which is now being bullied around by Big Brother, and I'm sure theres no way anything can go wrong with that.

Ummmm, wait, no, not really.
I foresee assloads of problems with this. When the people cant get world class health care dirt cheap on a whim, they will yell at congress for some more "rights", because now they know congress is willing to pass health care laws.

 

[shortylickens]

Total BS Germany proves that. High labor costs + high production. It exports more than China with 1/10th population, in fact without PIIGS leaching off her, EU leaching off her, Israel leaching off her, East Germany leaching off her she'd be richest country in the world per capita with strong socialism, unions, wages and UHC.

The only way we could have that here is if we hadnt spent a billion dollars a week on a pointless war, and instead invested that money into education. And not just improving the current system either (which was invented by the Germans in the 1500's if I'm not mistaken) but go to a new system like is currently used in the better European countries.

 

[Patranus]

Am I missing something about what happened then?



Ummm hate to tell you this but it's only that they can.
I know I'm currently covered by my parents plan and I'm over 18...

Take it you were never were a student or had kids?

You still don't get it.
Why should I be FORCED to cover a child who is over 18 when they are considered "independent"?
The only thing that results from being FORCED is an increase in premiums for parents. This results in an excess burden on employers, paying for a service for someone who isn't even producing a product/service for them. That sounds really economical doesn't it?

On the same note, almost every (reputable) college requires students students to purchase health insurance prior to enrolling. Most of these colleges offer group plans.

Then again, I can believe the "progressives" boogyman stories.....

 

[Patranus]

So here is a question.
If everyone who is under 26 has the option of being on their parents health insurance plan, what happens to someone who is under 26 but their parents are old enough to be on Medicare?

 

[nonlnear]

Why should I be FORCED to cover a child who is over 18 when they are considered "independent"?

Come now, the answer is right in front of you. The purpose is to delay the onset of adult responsibilities so as to infantilize the population. Why do we put so many morons into our colleges? It certainly isn't to help their job prospects when many of them refuse to retain simple skills from calc 1 to calc 2. The purpose is to keep them out of the job market until their brains have finished maturing (which coincidentally happens in the mid 20s). That way thought patterns and ideologies are thoroughly ingrained before the tangible concept of responsibility has had a chance to shape their worldview.

Now why would a proponent of pervasive social programs want to do that to a population?

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Medicare was created because insurance companies were charging old people a lot more for insurance. Old people can't work yet you seem fine with charging them more. Classy

You know, I was right. Emocrat is an entirely fitting name for you and your ilk. Again, another emotional response rather than a response with logic.

Where did I say I wanted old people to be charged more? Let me help you here. Here is what I said:

Social Security and Medicare are disasters.

Please tell me how that statement implies that I want old people to be charged more. I couldn't have possibly meant, for example, that those programs are disasters and should be replaced with something else, now could I? As a matter-of-fact, that is EXACTLY what I meant as I do believe in a safety net for Americans.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

People are quite happy with Medicare. It has money problems because it's underfunded and only insures the highest risk groups. If we allowed everyone to use it that wanted to like in Grayson's bill it would solve a lot of problems.

That is the problem right there.

 

[Cattlegod]

So I quit my job on tuesday of last week, does this mean I am now covered if I go to the doc?

 

[nageov3t]

So I quit my job on tuesday of last week, does this mean I am now covered if I go to the doc?

nope! (unless you're under 26).

as far as I know, the vast majority of the provisions that would affect adults don't go into effect until 2014... and even then, you'd have to purchase health insurance first before going to your doc.

 

[werepossum]

So here is a question.
If everyone who is under 26 has the option of being on their parents health insurance plan, what happens to someone who is under 26 but their parents are old enough to be on Medicare?

Spontaneous human combustion?

And maybe a medal for his or her parents, for breeding above and beyond the call of duty.

 

[EagleKeeper]

So here is a question.
If everyone who is under 26 has the option of being on their parents health insurance plan, what happens to someone who is under 26 but their parents are old enough to be on Medicare?

Spontaneous human combustion?

And maybe a medal for his or her parents, for breeding above and beyond the call of duty.

Some of us old fogies do have a sex life after 40.()
Sometimes there are mistakes, sometimes there are planned consequences.

Ask your parents (if you dare):hmm:

 

[nageov3t]

Some of us old fogies do have a sex life after 40.()
Sometimes there are mistakes, sometimes there are planned consequences.

Ask your parents (if you dare):hmm:

I'd imagine a more likely scenario (and less damaging to my psyche) would be grandparents who are their grandchild's legal guardian.

 

[jonks]

Amazing. The "empty suit" with "no leadership qualities" and "zero executive experience" who "can't accomplish anything" orchestrated the passage of reform legislation where five decades of experienced presidents couldn't get anywhere close.

 

[jonks]

Originally Posted by Patranus
So here is a question.
If everyone who is under 26 has the option of being on their parents health insurance plan, what happens to someone who is under 26 but their parents are old enough to be on Medicare?
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Since the old private insurance cutoff was usually 18 or 21, what happened under the old system if someone on medicare had a minor child? Figure it out.

 

[nageov3t]

Amazing. The "empty suit" with "no leadership qualities" and "zero executive experience" who "can't accomplish anything" orchestrated the passage of reform legislation where five decades of experienced presidents couldn't get anywhere close.

the fact that it's basically a cash give-away to insurance companies and doesn't actually reform much at all had to have lubricated its passage, no?

 

[Matthiasa]

You still don't get it.
Why should I be FORCED to cover a child who is over 18 when they are considered "independent"?
The only thing that results from being FORCED is an increase in premiums for parents. This results in an excess burden on employers, paying for a service for someone who isn't even producing a product/service for them. That sounds really economical doesn't it?

On the same note, almost every (reputable) college requires students students to purchase health insurance prior to enrolling. Most of these colleges offer group plans.

Then again, I can believe the "progressives" boogyman stories.....

Personally I hope you never have kids.
If you do odds are they will hate you.

For tax purposes they are considered dependents even now if they still live with you.
Also most decent workplaces already have health plans that cover the whole family as it is.

 

[werepossum]

Some of us old fogies do have a sex life after 40.()
Sometimes there are mistakes, sometimes there are planned consequences.

Ask your parents (if you dare):hmm:

As I am well over forty (my oldest grandchild is facing his twenty-first birthday), I heartily endorse sex after forty. (Although I no longer endorse other people seeing me do it. That's up there with water boarding.) And I went to school with a boy whose father and mother were fifty-nine and early fifties respectively at his birth, so I'm aware it happens, though it's rare. Personally I can't imagine facing another child, even the youngest grandchild wears after a whole day. (Darned things need a SNOOZE button.) I don't think I'll be asking my parents about their sex life, though. Some things man was not meant to know.

 

[Elias824]

Have you really thought this through? That is like inviting deflation into your home, which can be far worse than inflation. Look at Japan. Depressing wages of first-world nations to match those in third-world nations, where the latter has a ppp advantage, is like putting a giant into a gnome's house. You would basically be asking the entire economy to take a price cut.

No intention of being offensive here but your thought process is a bit simplistic. However, if you can explain how this would work then I am all ears.

American citizens are more productive then a Chinese citizen, i.e with an hour of their labor we can get far more done then with an hour of Chinese labor, thanks to computer and other technical advances as well as a better infrastructure, thats why we get paid more. German engineers are also amazing by the way.

 

[sportage]

How long until the republicans claim they have always totally supported this healthcare reform bill. Just like they "now" claim when it comes to Medicare and Civil Rights.

And from fox news you will no doubt soon hear:
"Senator McCain ... Its well know you have always supported this bill and this reform for the American people, as also your fellow republican congressmen".

I just can not wait for the delusional spin to begin from the republican congressmen/women, up for re election, and from the fox news talking heads.
Especially as Obama's poll numbers climb by double digits within the next few weeks.

And more so... After Obama actually signs the bill into law.
Can you say.. Milk of Amnesia?

Well it has begun. (R) Sen Judd Gregg was on CNN saying John McCain is introducing today a bill to repeal the sweetheart deals in the bill.

WHAT U SAY JUDD ???

That is this reconciliation the democrats are passing this week that does EXACTLY THAT!
So here we have McCain, posing to take credit for fixing the bill ALL BY HIS LITTLE LONESOME SELF.

What a crock of shet...

So CNN asks Judd "what about the good things in the bill people like?",
(and get this) old Looney Judd Gregg goes on to say "we want to repeal and then replace the bill keeping all those good things in the bill".

SAY WHAT... JUDD ???

Do THEY really think people are THAT stupid???

Then CNN pops up a little "fact check" bubble next old creepy Judd's head stating
""The Democrats reconciliation fix will remove the sweetheart deals in the bill"".

And remember kids... the same reconciliation that the republicans will try to derail by playing more games.

So NOW republicans claim they want to REPEAL the bill, and pass their own carbon copy of the bill... R I G H T...

(Can't someone vote these republican a-holes out of office???)
Its totally insulting to the American people how detached and stupid republicans think we are...
No doubt republicans believe we all get our news from fox and cheer on the tea baggers.
And can't remember back to last Sunday...

 

[blackangst1]

Im positive this trend will decline when the 32 million (or whatever the current number is) uninsured are added to the mix: http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2010-04-29-internist29_ST_N.htm

When internist Richard Baron was invited to give a talk about what's happening in primary care, he had an idea: Why not count up exactly how many patient visits, phone calls and e-mails he and his four associates handle in a year?

But the totals took even Baron aback. In 2008, he and his associates each handled an average of 20 phone calls and 17 e-mails a day. That's on top of an average of three to six hours a day spent on patient visits.

No wonder only 2% of today's medical school graduates say they want to pursue careers as internists who provide primary care, says Baron, who chaired the American Board of Internal Medicine last year.