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Moonbeam

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I dont have time to walk down this road with you.

This thread is pretty much about poverty. You dont like where that discussion goes because it goes against everything you stand for.

I dont have a solution to poverty but blaming the victims of it isnt the correct path.

Here is one site I found for you if you are interested in how to help the poor. It is about a person with some success in doing just that:

http://www.matthieuricard.org/en/blog/posts/fazel-abed-and-brac-s-extraordinary-accomplishments

He recently spoke at the World Affairs Council in San Francisco. Their web site has an audio of his talk.
 
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I dont have time to walk down this road with you.

This thread is pretty much about poverty. You dont like where that discussion goes because it goes against everything you stand for.

I dont have a solution to poverty but blaming the victims of it isnt the correct path.
You broadly smeared red states as hypocrites and I was curious as to the level of mental gymnastics one needed to arrive at such a conclusion. But I do understand your desire to avoid the subject.
 
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Here's a good report on it: http://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/rura...ral-poverty-well-being/transfer-payments.aspx

In short, people in nonmetro(rural) areas tend to be older and somewhat poorer than people in metro areas. Therefore they consume federal spending at rates about 10-15% higher than metro citizens and contribute less in taxes. People in these areas are also overwhelmingly conservative.

I guess being old enough to retire and receive social security/medicare is bad. How many of those people worked in the metro areas and retired to the rural areas where their money would go further?
 

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I guess being old enough to retire and receive social security/medicare is bad. How many of those people worked in the metro areas and retired to the rural areas where their money would go further?

Who said anything about it being good or bad? It's simply a fact that the people getting the most money per capita from the federal government happen to be in rural areas. These people skew republican fairly heavily.

Even if you omit that, rural areas have some of the worst poverty statistics in the country.

I'm fine with federal aid to them, that's what it's for. Let's not pretend that Democrats are the reason why Republican states take in more money than they give out though.
 

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You broadly smeared red states as hypocrites and I was curious as to the level of mental gymnastics one needed to arrive at such a conclusion. But I do understand your desire to avoid the subject.

No actually I was just getting in the car :) As much as you would like me to die in a fiery death on the 101 while I tried to type out some response to your inane position, it didnt happen.

I think eskimo broke it down pretty well with his link showing rural people using 10% to 15% more. But you dont buy that. I know you. You will play mental gymnastics yourself. You wont even address the issues presented in this very thread.
 

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Only if you can explain exactly how and why and provide objective evidence as proof...
Chris Matthews asked this very question of U.S. Representative Donna Edwards (D-Maryland) last Sunday. What I found interesting was her first response was to blame Republicans about school funding. It's so Pavlovian, it's creepy. Chris then pointed out that Baltimore's spending level is the 3rd highest per capita in the nation for public education. However, this point seems to elude her as she then goes on to complain that the textbooks are 20 years old. And I'm thinking...what the fuck, then where is all that money going? Anyway, here's the interview transcript:

CHRIS WALLACE, FOX NEWS SUNDAY: OK. Well, let's talk about that, because whenever have you riots, people talk about the underlying conditions. And there's no question that Baltimore, the city of Baltimore, has serious problems. Let put them on the screen.

The violent crime rate is four times the national average. Unemployment in Freddie Gray's neighborhood in Baltimore was 21 percent. Seventy-two percent of eighth graders score below proficient in math.

Now, a lot of people, frankly, conservatives, have pointed out that Baltimore has not had a Republican mayor in 50 years. Is it unfair to say that the liberal policies have failed the city of Baltimore?

EDWARDS: No. I think it's unevenly spread. I mean, I would say, for example, with our schools, just prior to the Freddie Gray incident, Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake was actually prevailing upon our Republican governor to release money for school funding.

When you have schools that are operating in the 20th century, and we're trying to prepare our children for the 21st century, even those children know they are not educated in the right way. I think that that is a baseline for how we can revitalize communities so that it's not -- we're not investing in economic development only in the areas where we get tax abasements but we're investing in other areas in the community, our small businesses and our education system and job retraining.

WALLACE: But, Congresswoman, if I may, it's not a matter of money. One of the things that we learned this week is Baltimore spends the third highest although per capita on its public school. Baltimore was already spending plenty on public school and the schools were still lousy.

EDWARDS: Well, I mean, there's uneven spending in the public schools. And I would say to you -- I mean, even the school that let out where the riots first began, there was a student who was interviewed who said, I'm looking at a book that's 20 years old. How does that prepare her for the 21st century?

So, I think we have a lot of questions to ask. They're not just -- they're not questions that are only for Republicans. They're questions for Democrats and Republicans about where we're going to make investments in our communities so the only investment we make isn't on the back end on law enforcement.

Throwing money at the problem without an intelligent plan has always been the liberal solution to most all problems...and it's not working, at least not in Baltimore.

Why couldn’t $130 million transform one of Baltimore’s poorest places?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...67ab06-f034-11e4-a55f-38924fca94f9_story.html
 
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fskimospy

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What policies specifically, how did they fail Baltimore, and what is the causal link?
 

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Throwing money at the problem without an intelligent plan has always been the liberal solution to most all problems...and it's not working, at least not in Baltimore.

Why couldn’t $130 million transform one of Baltimore’s poorest places?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...67ab06-f034-11e4-a55f-38924fca94f9_story.html


Because poverty cant be fixed with money alone? People need to feel purpose and dignity and worth. This is what gets them to push out of poverty. People become broken along the way. Among all of us many of us would break under this pressure as well.
 
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No actually I was just getting in the car :) As much as you would like me to die in a fiery death on the 101 while I tried to type out some response to your inane position, it didnt happen.

I think eskimo broke it down pretty well with his link showing rural people using 10% to 15% more. But you dont buy that. I know you. You will play mental gymnastics yourself. You wont even address the issues presented in this very thread.
So we can broadly smear red states as hypocrites since their rural population (who are likely more conservative) consume 10-15% more federal benefits than metropolitan populations (which is likely due to their older age)? Got it. But doesn't it ever occur to you that only the only real hypocrisy here is possibly a small fraction of red state rural residents who receive benefits, but believe the federal government shouldn't give them? Speaking of inane, I'll tell you what's inane...denigrating an entire state based on the possible political hypocrisy of a relatively small subset people...now that's inane.
 
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So we can broadly smear red states as hypocrites since their rural population (who are likely more conservative) consumes 10-15% more federal benefits than metropolitan populations which is likely due to their older age? Got it. But doesn't it ever occur to you that only the only real hypocrisy here is possibly a small fraction of red state rural residents who receive benefits but believe the federal government shouldn't get them? Speaking of inane, I'll tell you what's inane...denigrating an entire state based on the possible political hypocrisy of a relatively small subset people...now that's inane.


Im sure you are so butthurt over this that you cant even talk about poverty anymore. Poor you. Poor white people. Always the victim. Grow some.
 
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Im sure you are so butthurt over this that you cant even talk about poverty anymore. Poor you. Poor white people. Always the victim. Grow some.
I'm not butthurt...just pointing out how simple-minded and incredibly stupid you are...which, it should go without saying, is the going price for being such a political hack. Getting your money's worth?
 

JSt0rm

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I'm not butthurt...just pointing out how simple-minded and incredibly stupid you are...which, it should go without saying, is the going price for being such a political hack. Getting your money's worth?


Insulting me does you no good. I don't care what you think of me because I don't value your opinion. What it does do is show me that you cant talk about the issue in this thread. ;)
 
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Insulting me does you no good. I don't care what you think of me because I don't value your opinion. What it does do is show me that you cant talk about the issue in this thread. ;)
My intent was not so much as to insult, but to get you to recognize a severe flaw in the way you think.
 

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Sure doesn't seem to bother those of your ilk who look down upon recipients in red states who receive these benefits. So should you be empathic of their needs or just those who live in blue states?
So the left looks down on the rural poor, and the right looks down on the urban poor. How does either side claim moral superiority?
 

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Let's examine your thought process...exactly how are red states being hypocrites?
Well then, there is the part where 'fiscally conservative' Republicans and red states suck up federal monies just as readily as 'tax and spend' Democrats and blue states.. but we're not supposed to notice that, right?
 

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I'm not butthurt...just pointing out how simple-minded and incredibly stupid you are...which, it should go without saying, is the going price for being such a political hack. Getting your money's worth?

Why are you engaging in such incredibly lame character assassination? ;)
 

Vic

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This points to the level of intellectual dishonesty of those who can only think in terms of broad stereotypes and sweeping generalizations. Brain dead is brain dead.
An interesting thing happened to me during the housing bust. I spent 4 years foreclosing on homeowners who had the documented financial ability to pay their government-backed mortgages but chose not to (aka strategic defaulters). I can't say what party they voted for, but almost all of them blamed Obama.
 
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