YMMV indeed. LCD ghosting does seem to vary a lot person by person. But I stand by my assertion that the 1905 is no good for fast paced gaming. I know the Anadtech review gave it good gaming rating, it's why I bought the 1905 in the first place, and while it is gorgeous for slower paced games (driving, RTS, etc), it gets overwhelmed by first person shooters. What convinced me was using the 1905 side by side with the crappy 173P analog panel that came with my Dell PC, on clone mode, the 173P was far superior in games like Doom3, Jedi Knight, Half Life etc.
On the other hand, if you can stand the 1905's speed on gaming, it has certain advantages over the 2005. I'm no expert on LCD panels, but it seems like slower panels like the 1905 have slightly better color quality, and noticeably better viewing angles than the faster panels on the 2005. I remember my 1905 seemingly had infinite viewing angles, while my new 2005 has this purplish sheen if you look at it from a far side angle.
But still, wide screen rulez!! Get a 2005 if you can afford it!
I received mine today.
Personally, I think the ghosting is awful. Some games are striaght up unplayable. Called and returned it for a refund.
Personally, I think the ghosting is awful. Some games are striaght up unplayable. Called and returned it for a refund.
I stand by my observations 100% as well. I actually got mine from the Christmas Dellf promotion - if I had paid money for it then it would have gone back to dell long ago. So, unless they're using different panels in this display I'd never listen again to a reviewer that said this lcd has acceptable ghosting levels in fast motion games/video. As far as I can remember, the 1800FP that a friend has is much better than the 1905FP, and the Planar 17" I got for my sister was perfectly playable with UT. With the 1905 I switch to my CRT for gaming.
I have not problems in ut2k3 with my 1905 (2 months old) - at all.
stop in at fraggin roos and I'll show ya.
stop in at fraggin roos and I'll show ya.
Fingolfin269
Lifer
- Feb 28, 2003
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I can't add any $60 off coupons. Is that because they're all used up? It basically doesn't do anything. I got the 30% off one though.
got the monitor, played 2 min of HL2k packed up and sending it back! ghosting like crazy, I can see ghosting even in movies... bad bad bad!! WTF is anandtech thinking rating this above the Benq? I have the BenQ and it ghost too..no where near the level of this one! horriable!
weird, i wonder what the setttings are that effect this?
I received my 2 today, and played 5 hours of CS:S without a notice of any "ghosting". I am coming from a 21 inch CRT, so I anticipated having a real hard time adjusting to LCDs.
Not sure if it is a setting with video drivers, the monitor, or my 30 year old eyes - guess I am lucky I can't see it cause I sure would hate to send these things back.
I received my 2 today, and played 5 hours of CS:S without a notice of any "ghosting". I am coming from a 21 inch CRT, so I anticipated having a real hard time adjusting to LCDs.
Not sure if it is a setting with video drivers, the monitor, or my 30 year old eyes - guess I am lucky I can't see it cause I sure would hate to send these things back.
So far the anecdotal 1905 ghosting score on the current thread appears to be 4 ghosting versus 3 non-ghosting. Ha, we ghosters are still winning!
At least Dell has a pretty robust return policy. I managed to get them to pay for return shipping as well.
At least Dell has a pretty robust return policy. I managed to get them to pay for return shipping as well.
to see it ghost really bad: you have to face 2 objects similar in color and have a slightly greyish shade in close range orcourse. now move your character left and right of it and watch the ghosting begin. dosen't happen work for dark object against a white background. in HL2 I have noticed as much as 1in ghosting in the Highway17 level just before you get into the car in the room leading to that. Now I thought it was speical effects until it made me dizzy 
not much you can change with DVI. goes stright from fram buffer to LCD. played similar game on the 37in LCD I have, and that is not as bad as the dell, the HDTV does have a 16ms panel from LG.
That sure is amazing then, that there can be such a disparity between users opinions on the matter of ghosting. I was hoping it was settings related to help people out, but if DVI is DVI then it all boils down to YMMV I guess.
My first foray into LCDs, so I am surely no expert here. I concur with the reviews I have read and the posters that say this monitor is excellent for gaming. As you can see, several respected members feel that it is unplayable, so it is extremely YMMV I would say.
Like you said, the return policy is awesome if the buyers end up hating it.
Best of luck everyone in their monitor search - for me, 2 of these is the perfect solution.
My first foray into LCDs, so I am surely no expert here. I concur with the reviews I have read and the posters that say this monitor is excellent for gaming. As you can see, several respected members feel that it is unplayable, so it is extremely YMMV I would say.
Like you said, the return policy is awesome if the buyers end up hating it.
Best of luck everyone in their monitor search - for me, 2 of these is the perfect solution.
:roll:What kind of response time does this have? Why is everyone jumping on these I'd guess they have 25ms response time or something (correct me if I'm wrong).
Yep it's 20ms. It uses the same panel as the samsung 193P
Here is the link to anandtech's own review.
http://www.anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=2332
Here is the link to anandtech's own review.
http://www.anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=2332
That guy doesn't know his ass from his face about ghosting if he doesn't think ghosting on the 1905 is substantial. Maybe it's time to get an LCD reviewer who actually plays fast paced FPS's regularly and has done so on multiple LCDs. Go play an online game of UT99 Instagib at 155/55 speed with the 1905 and tell me I'm wrong. It's like playing on a hallucinogenic acid trip.
I just got my 1905FP, played Half-life 2, first LCD, and was quite annoyed by ghosting.
I downloaded and installed the 1905FP driver from dell.com , and now I don't know if its the driver or if I'm getting used to it, but now I don't notice the ghosting at all.
Anybody else had a similar experience?
I downloaded and installed the 1905FP driver from dell.com , and now I don't know if its the driver or if I'm getting used to it, but now I don't notice the ghosting at all.
Anybody else had a similar experience?
I am using the dell driver as well, and use 8x AA and 16x AF in CSS. There is no ghosting on either of my monitors. I have played MaxPayne2, CSS, Brothers In Arms, and COD:UO so far, and am ultra impressed!
Well I got them the other day after missing the UPS guy the first time and set them up today. Nice! Not a gamer so I can't speak for that but I will tell you that I am more than pleased with how well these monitors work and look...awesome price too! I finally got rid of my mis-matched Gateway and Viewsonic 19 inchers - no more eyesore on this desk! All I need now is one of those nifty ergotron arms to mount both of them to one pedestal...and I can already see how the center speaker of my next fantasy purchase (Logitech z5500s) will fit nicely right in the middle...ain't computer stuff great!!!
Just got mine, plugged it in with the VGA cable and it's running good, although I haven't thrown any games at it yet.
The primary reason for VGA/no games would be my 32MB TNT2 card....that's the next upgrade.
Pretty sweet though, haven't noticed any bad pixels.
The primary reason for VGA/no games would be my 32MB TNT2 card....that's the next upgrade.
Pretty sweet though, haven't noticed any bad pixels.
lokiju
Lifer
- May 29, 2003
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Well I got mine today and did a Half Life 2 test and didn't see any noticeable ghosting that everyone is so up in arms about, some even returning it because its to much to deal with. I just do not see it at all. I have it running at 1024x786 full rez all settings up and don't have an issue, maybe its a video card with this LCD combo issue?
Well at any rate, heres a pic of my setup. Not dial up friendly.
Well at any rate, heres a pic of my setup. Not dial up friendly.
you must be outside in HL2. it looks fine outside. try inside, look at colors that are close to each other. classic PVA technology exponential increase in response due to switching characteristic of the chrystal (similar color) I think the highest this panel get is around 80ms. Regarding that RMA I requested dell, I canceled that and decide to keep the monitor becuase I really need a good 2D monitor and this one is certainly one of the best on the market. so no FPS until I can afford a 2nd TN or IPS panel. sigh
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