ITC judge rules Nvidia infringes Samsung patents

[csbin]

http://seekingalpha.com/news/3001126-itc-judge-rules-nvidia-infringes-samsung-patents

An ITC administrative law judge (ALJ) has ruled Nvidia (NASDAQ:NVDA) infringes three Samsung (OTC:SSNLF) patents. The case will now go before the full commission.

The news comes eight days after the full ITC commission upheld an ALJ's ruling declaring Samsung and Qualcomm didn't infringe two Nvidia patents, and that a third patent (though infringed) is invalid. Samsung had countersued Nvidia before the ITC, and both companies are suing each other in Virginia.

Nvidia, which had argued Samsung's patents cover older chip technology that's no longer used: "We look forward to seeking review by the full ITC which will decide this case several months from now." One of Samsung's patents is set to expire next year.

 

[NTMBK]

Full marks for NVidia's legal team, they've really done a swell job this year.

 

[3DVagabond]

Insult to injury.

 

[96Firebird]

Par for the course. A judge ruled Samsung infringed on Nvidia's patents, a judge now rules Nvidia infringed on Samsung's patents. The only thing that really matters is what the full ITC commission rules.

 

[NTMBK]

Par for the course. A judge ruled Samsung infringed on Nvidia's patents, a judge now rules Nvidia infringed on Samsung's patents. The only thing that really matters is what the full ITC commission rules.

Nope, Samsung only infringed on an invalid patent (i.e. should not have been awarded in the first place). 2 patents Samsung did not infringe on. The rest of the patents Nvidia voluntarily withdrew from the complaint, implying that they did not have faith in those ones either.

It's been a complete wipeout for NVidia. No success against Samsung, while Samsung's countersuit was a success.

 

[96Firebird]

Read what I said. Judges ruled on both cases, but the only thing that matters is what the full commission rules. We have yet to see what they rule on the Samsung vs. Nvidia case.

Edit - Whoops, I see now that Nvidia lost the judge's ruling vs Samsung, which was upheld by the full commission. Either way, full commission's ruling is what matters.

 

[railven]

Woof. Nvidia not doing so hot on this one.

Any info on what patent Nvidia infringed on? Wonder if it will affect their GPU or Handheld/Mobiles?

 

[ShintaiDK]

Woof. Nvidia not doing so hot on this one.

Any info on what patent Nvidia infringed on? Wonder if it will affect their GPU or Handheld/Mobiles?

Looks to be Tegra/SoC stuff.

 

[railven]

Looks to be Tegra/SoC stuff.

Good, don't affect me EDIT: I guess, yet haha.

 

[csbin]

Looks to be Tegra/SoC stuff.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9875/itc-finds-nvidia-guilty-of-infringing-three-samsung-patents

An administrative law judge from the U.S. International Trade Commission on Tuesday found that NVIDIA Corp. infringed several patents of Samsung Electronics. The judge ruled that NVIDIA’s graphics processing units (GPUs) and system-on-chips (SoCs) infringed three fundamental patents that belong to Samsung. NVIDIA said that patents were outdated, but if the full agency finds that there was a violation, certain NVIDIA’s products could be banned in the U.S.

 

[caswow]

iam in shock.

 

[ShintaiDK]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9875/itc-finds-nvidia-guilty-of-infringing-three-samsung-patents

That doesn't change anything I said.

 

[NTMBK]

That doesn't change anything I said.

You said it only involved Tegra; the Anandtech article states that it also involves their GPUs.

 

[IEC]

That doesn't change anything I said.

The implication was that it includes more than things you mentioned.

 

[Good_fella]

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samsung’s lawyers told trade judge david shaw that the inventions enabled chipmakers to put “what used to fill an entire circuit board with dozens of discrete components all onto a single chip the size of your thumbnail.”

nvidia argued that samsung’s patents date back to the 1990s, covering older technology that’s no longer used in modern chip designs. Its lawyers argued that samsung had “chosen three patents that have been sitting on the shelf for years collecting nothing but dust.”

one of the patents will expire next year, just a few months after any import ban would take effect.

The trade agency staff, which acts as a third party in the case on behalf of the public, recommended that the judge find that nvidia had infringed two of the three patents. One of the two is the patent that expires next year.

The case also involves some of nvidia’s customers, including biostar microtech international corp., jaton corp., and elitegroup computer systems co.

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[ShintaiDK]

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Exactly, always go to the source rather than a rewrite.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ns-first-round-in-graphics-patent-case-nvidia

 

[NTMBK]

Exactly, always go to the source rather than a rewrite.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ns-first-round-in-graphics-patent-case-nvidia

If you go to the actual source, it says in big letters at the top:

In the matter of

CERTAIN GRAPHICS PROCESSING CHIPS, SYSTEMS ON A CHIP, AND PRODUCTS CONTAINING THE SAME

https://www.usitc.gov/press_room/documents/337_941_id.pdf

It's not just Tegra.

 

[Arachnotronic]

This really backfired on NVIDIA.

 

[Pariah]

This really backfired on NVIDIA.

Good. There are way too many of these frivolous patent lawsuits being thrown around by the major tech companies. Every once in a while there will be legit cases like some of Asetek's, but for the most part, these suits and counter suits just look like a pile of money wasted on lawyers.

 

[Techhog]

Hopefully this will discourage Nvidia from trying anything like this again. If you want to be Apple and get away with it, you need Apple money. Trying to do it to a company like Samsung, which actually has Apple money, was just stupid.


That said, it's sad that money decides these cases.

 

[monstercameron]

Hopefully this will discourage Nvidia from trying anything like this again. If you want to be Apple and get away with it, you need Apple money. Trying to do it to a company like Samsung, which actually has Apple money, was just stupid.


That said, it's sad that money decides these cases.

cognitive dissonance^ ☺

 

[Techhog]

cognitive dissonance^ ☺

Stating a sad reality and then being disappointed in that reality is a contradiction?

 

[AnandThenMan]

Hopefully this will discourage Nvidia from trying anything like this again. If you want to be Apple and get away with it, you need Apple money. Trying to do it to a company like Samsung, which actually has Apple money, was just stupid.

Exactly this. Nvidia tried to swim in the big pond and ended up getting bitten.

 

[monstercameron]

Stating a sad reality and then being disappointed in that reality is a contradiction?

Smaller company tried to protect their IP and you seem to object to it while larger companies do this all the while. They set the status quo that you think is unfortunate.

 

[Techhog]

Smaller company tried to protect their IP and you seem to object to it while larger companies do this all the while. They set the status quo that you think is unfortunate.

So, basically, you're saying that Nvidia being a smaller company automatically means that their suit wasn't frivolous?


The last statement was really just a general opinion not specific to this. I only really added it so that people wouldn't mistakenly think that I think that it's okay that money wins out. I do not think that money is the only reason Nvidia lost, and they would have lost in a fair trial too.