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Italy's Populists Promising To Kick Out 500K Migrants

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Vic said:
If and when our country actually faces a genuine threat, I will be among the first to step up to defeat it.
Meanwhile, government service doesn't elevate anyone above criticism and accountability.
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No, government service does not elevate anyone above criticism and accountability, I am just not sure what you are holding the military accountable for. It seems your anger or frustration is misplaced.
 
dainthomas said:
Isn't Italy below replacement level for reproduction (like Japan, Russia etc). You'd think they would want migrants, as a shrinking population is a fantastic way to crater your economy.
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I imagine it hurts more than helps when those migrants come with literally just the clothes on their backs and consume more government resources than they contribute.
 
feralkid said:
You getting hard, Mister whitey?
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No. Do you have any idea what is going on? These people are destroying the country, they dont work and steal tax dollars from hard working people while the economy isnt even doing that well. They have no right to be in the country. Perhaps you should visit Italy so you understand the severity of the situation.
 
Incorruptible said:
No. Do you have any idea what is going on? These people are destroying the country, they dont work and steal tax dollars from hard working people while the economy isnt even doing that well. They have no right to be in the country. Perhaps you should visit Italy so you understand the severity of the situation.
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LOL that's a CLEAR lie.

They don't get any tax dollars because there is no fucking thing as Italian dollars.
 
BoomerD said:
Good for the Italians. Why should the people be expected to support the migrants when so many of the natives are steuggling? (as is the Italian economy)
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Exactly. The people of Italy were tired of the migrants and said NO, Now the leftists can't accept it. They are destroying the country.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
No, government service does not elevate anyone above criticism and accountability, I am just not sure what you are holding the military accountable for. It seems your anger or frustration is misplaced.
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I haven't expressed any anger or frustration here. That must be you projecting your intolerance to a contrarian opinion.
 
Incorruptible said:
Exactly. The people of Italy were tired of the migrants and said NO, Now the leftists can't accept it. They are destroying the country.
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Exactly how are they destroying the country? Be specific and please try to avoid your usual namecalling tactics.
 
Vic said:
Exactly how are they destroying the country? Be specific and please try to avoid your usual namecalling tactics.
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They illegally entered the country, They dont integrate and adopt Italian values. Many of them are committing crimes such as rape. The Italian economy is struggling and them coming in and going on welfare and other government services just makes the situation worse.
 
Incorruptible said:
They illegally entered the country, They dont integrate and adopt Italian values. Many of them are committing crimes such as rape. The Italian economy is struggling and them coming in and going on welfare and other government services just makes the situation worse.
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I'll take a citation thanks.
 
Incorruptible said:
They illegally entered the country, They dont integrate and adopt Italian values. Many of them are committing crimes such as rape. The Italian economy is struggling and them coming in and going on welfare and other government services just makes the situation worse.
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I said specifics, and you come back with generalizations as bad as a horoscope. Anyway, the Italian economy was struggling before this, so that point is moot. And speaking as generally as you, many native Italians also commit such crimes as rape, and also use government services, so that point is moot as well.
So what I see here is the "small government conservative" viewpoint here is that government should interfere with the free movement of labor and should enforce vague things like cultural integration and values, even if doing so means killing thousands of people.
And let me guess, you believe you have the moral high ground here, right?
 
Vic said:
I haven't expressed any anger or frustration here. That must be you projecting your intolerance to a contrarian opinion.
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You’re right. You didn’t express anger or frustration. More of an unprovoked and misdirected obtuse belligerence. You’re usually better than this as well.
 
boomerang said:
Grow a pair, join up and fight that battle right beside them. Enough of the talk, lets see some action out of you.
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How about you tell your dear leader that? If you haven’t realised, I’m being facetious when I say “bomb red states”. Dumbfuck.
 
Incorruptible said:
No. Do you have any idea what is going on? These people are destroying the country, they dont work and steal tax dollars from hard working people while the economy isnt even doing that well. They have no right to be in the country. Perhaps you should visit Italy so you understand the severity of the situation.
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I have been to Italy. Outside every tourist stop, I see 4-5 North African dudes hawkin their wares. Cheap tourist trinkets, no doubt, but they are hustling. Their kids will be better off than they were.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
You’re right. You didn’t express anger or frustration. More of an unprovoked and misdirected obtuse belligerence. You’re usually better than this as well.
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I do tend to be belligerent to people who tell me to be a slave to government and a second class citizen, beholden to them for my very life, to voluntary government employees. You tell me to be wary of fascism while at the same time pushing it. Should I be kind to that?
 
Incorruptible said:
Not surprised you're anti-Italy and support the migrants. Here you go you stupid son of a bitch.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-benefits-factbox-idUSKCN0RG1MJ20150916
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Oh so close!

ITALY
- No right to work until asylum granted, or during first six months, whichever comes first.


- State pays 35 euros/day for each person housed, but most of this goes to the centers providing the meals and shelter. Asylum seekers are entitled to 2.50 euros per day pocket money. Classes in Italian provided in some centers.

- On approval: right to work; stay permit of one, three or five years; no cash or housing.
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Many they are getting soooo much!!!

Where is the citation for the rest of your claims?
 
ivwshane said:
If you need an army to fight fascism, its no longer a threat, its a reality. Fascism doesn't happen by a quick and obvious invasion, it happens when a country, collectively, turns a blind eye to things like humanitarian issues, destroying or delegitimizing the press and tearing down long standing institutions.
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Palling around with Authoritarian Murderers and Snatching Babies to get your way is also kind of a give away that a Fascist may be en route to a Presidency near you..
 
feralkid said:
Palling around with Authoritarian Murderers and Snatching Babies to get your way is also kind of a give away that a Fascist may be en route to a Presidency near you..
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If they aren't outraged over this then they won't be outraged when the ovens get fired up.
 
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