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It will be colder today in Texas than at the North Pole which will be above freezing

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It's really amazing what targeted funding and the media can do to "science".

I use "science" in quotations because basically the funding is targeted towards those quick to dismiss uncertainties, and the media and political administration targets those who look to further understand the uncertainties. So instead of having science come to a consensus on the issue, you have targeted funding and media manufacturing the consensus.
 
Read this and it gave me goosebumps. My reaction was, Why are we still debating Climate Change?

Something is definitely going on no matter what we might call it..

Oh teh noes, I guess we'd all better get out the wallets and hand our money over to some lefties to "fix" the problem heh? Give them some more power and lots of money and I'm sure they'll handle it for us. No thanks.
 
Nothing bring out Derp Savage Fan like the liberal bias of math, science, temperatures, and facts... WFT is this guy on? Heavily invested in coal, gas, and flat earth...

Your internal combustion engine works because of the basic laws of Thermodynamics. I may have had some difficulty working through the partial differentiation of the mathematics, but it's neither "liberal" or "conservative."

It just "is." Even the Third Law, pertaining to Entropy, was cause of some vague concern to me, long before "climate change" was much noted or considered.
 
Oh teh noes, I guess we'd all better get out the wallets and hand our money over to some lefties to "fix" the problem heh? Give them some more power and lots of money and I'm sure they'll handle it for us. No thanks.

Actually this "problem" is in our own hand, imagine how much emission we cut if each household produce 1lb less waste per week or simply drive slower at speed limit and not floor your gas paddle.
 
I'm just waiting for some senator with a wizened southern accent to cobble together a snowball from his office icebox and display it on the floor of the House.

Only then will my fears be assuaged.
 
Actually this "problem" is in our own hand, imagine how much emission we cut if each household produce 1lb less waste per week or simply drive slower at speed limit and not floor your gas paddle.

Not only that but when there are better options like wind power and solar, why we still burn coal for electricity is just stupid.

There's a big difference in the amount of coal burned for electricity vs doing a home bbq. People tend to say hands off my smoker but the facts are the amount of coal burned at a home bbq combined in the USA would not even be 2% of the total coal burned for electricity.
 
Just a thought experiment.

How many square foot of a pond filled with algae would need to be next to each coal burning power plant for the CO2 to be pumped into it and scrubbed by the algae?
 
Actually this "problem" is in our own hand, imagine how much emission we cut if each household produce 1lb less waste per week or simply drive slower at speed limit and not floor your gas paddle.

Meanwhile China builds a coal-fired plant every week.

I think that kinda offsets driving like a grandpa.
 
Meanwhile China builds a coal-fired plant every week.

I think that kinda offsets driving like a grandpa.

It is a chain reaction, consumption slow down in US not only cut down emission output locally it also slow down producer like China.

It have to start from somewhere right?

To me to combat pollution/global warming/climate change - whatever way you want to call it, even if you think they're BS you can see and smelt smog right? - short term economic loss is inevitable and is the right thing to do.

The thing that we can't control is the over population in Asia/EU/Africa, China/India combine for 2.7b out of 7.3b world population wtf.
 
Although this is currently true...they're now changing direction and going nuclear in a big way.

Hey, they gotta power all the US Corporation manufacturing plants that have migrated to China somehow.

Meanwhile, a lot of China still looks worse than LA in the 70's smog wise.

"Derp Savage Fan".

I like that.
 
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Perhaps you think you know all you need to know about a simple thing like the global climate but not everyone believes the same way. Some of us require a lot more information before we decide to dismantle Western industrial civilization in order to maybe, possibly, postponing 1 degree of warming before the year 2100.

Oh please... The vast vast majority of deniers are science illiterate fools! They aren't the least bit interested in information that comes outside their own echo chambers.

It's hard to believe a tech website is floating with so many ignoramuses.

Meanwhile China builds a coal-fired plant every week.

I think that kinda offsets driving like a grandpa.

How in the hell do people believe this is a valid argument?

It's like saying,
3+ 2 = 5, and then saying 3+1 also equals 5. As if cutting 2 in half doesn't count....
 
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Oh please... The vast vast majority of deniers are science illiterate fools! They aren't the least bit interested in information that comes outside their own echo chambers.

It's hard to believe a tech website is floating with so many ignoramuses.



How in the hell do people believe this is a valid argument?

It's like saying,
3+ 2 = 5, and then saying 3+1 also equals 5. As if cutting 2 in half doesn't count....

I don't think I'm different than anyone else. I haven't time to become an oceanographer or climatologist. I sat in on a lecture about the photo-chemistry of carbon emissions. But I understand probability and statistics, I understand scientific method and data-gathering, and I understand that if there was a day four years ago when average temperatures were higher than historical averages all over the world but in three places including my own local region, it is my perception and the temperatures in those three areas (It was Shanghai, Santiago Chile, and So-Cal) which are "outliers".

First we had Katrina. Then we had Sandy. And now we have world-wide weather patterns that are bizarre. We had wildfires all over Texas a few years ago, and fire damage all over the West over the last several years.

So for your armchair non-scientist, you'd think this small sample of events would lead to a suspicion that human-induced climate change is real.

In other words, if there is no certainty about anything, then high probabilities of something are worthy of acceptance and action.

So getting back to the topic anticipating this weekend storm above Greenland, if someone has concern about "probabilistic uncertainty," I'd say the short-term uncertainty of interest involves this storm. There's no big likelihood that the storm forecast will prove incorrect. So what damage will it do? This week's unraveling storms have already done enough.
 
Although this is currently true...they're now changing direction and going nuclear in a big way.

That's fantastic. We should too. You'd get way more benefit than trying to get everyone to change their driving habits, which is laughable because it will never happen. Ever ever.
 
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