It will be colder today in Texas than at the North Pole which will be above freezing

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http://www.slate.com/articles/healt...sed_tornadoes_will_heat_the_north_pole.2.html

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This year’s holiday season has been full of extreme weather, with weird anomalies from coast to coast—like a script worthy of a Syfy network movie.

The week of Christmas was the warmest on record by far for a vast stretch of the eastern United States from Texas to Maine. In Philadelphia, every single day this month has been warmer than normal—if that word even retains meaning during a month like this.

While this month’s extreme weather is primarily due to an atmosphere supercharged by the record-breaking El Niño, it’s also an example of the kind of unnerving meteorological event that’s becoming more likely as climate change plays an increasingly large role in daily weather. The New York Times called it “a fitting end to the warmest year on record.” Together, El Niño and climate change have combined for a year unlike any other in human history—a harbinger of an altered planet.

Over the past several days, an alarming string of tornadoes has left dozens dead across the South. At least 68 tornadoes were reported in 15 states from California to the Carolinas from Dec. 21 to Monday, the longest streak on record of December days with a tornado. December tornadoes are twice as common during El Niño years, but this weekend’s atmosphere over the South was something different entirely: By some measures, it was the most moisture-laden ever seen during the winter months.

One tornado in northern Mississippi on Wednesday was so strong it ripped the carpet off the floor after destroying a home. A series of tornadoes also struck Northern Texas the day after Christmas, many at night, creating horrific devastation. The worst one seems to have occurred in Garland, Texas; it was the deadliest tornado in the Dallas area—for any month—in nearly 90 years. Meteorologist Bob Henson notes that 2015 is the first year since 1875, when records began, that there have been more tornado-related deaths in December than in the entire rest of the year combined.

The Texas tornadoes were part of a much larger storm system that at one point encompassed about half the country. The same storm system also brought heavy rains to the Midwest that threaten one of the biggest floods in history on the Mississippi River south of St. Louis, surpassing even the legendary 1993 flood. Road closures due to high water blanketed Missouri, and water levels will continue to rise for several days as record floodwaters from Oklahoma make their way toward the Gulf of Mexico.

On its western and northern fringes, the storm brought snow, the worst of which struck New Mexico. There, Gov. Susana Martinez activated the state’s National Guard and said the historic snowstorm had created a “dire situation.” In fact, at the exact same time that tornadoes were bearing down on Dallas, a record-setting blizzard was burying cars under snowdrifts 10 feet deep on the western side of Texas. Snow fell as far south as northern Mexico. The system also helped bring record-breaking freezing weather to southern California, a fierce ice storm to Chicago and Michigan, and the first significant New England snowfall of the season—just two days after temperatures climbed into the 70s as far north as Vermont. The Wall Street Journal called the juxtaposition of weather extremes “freakish.”

El Niño has driven the show when it comes to this year’s extreme weather, and there are signs its influence on the atmosphere will only grow over the coming weeks and months. In the United Kingdom, recent record rains have caused flooding that’s prompted a political firestorm as the country struggles with the aftermath. In South America, the worst flooding in 50 years has hit parts of Paraguay, Argentina, Brazil, and Uruguay. Meanwhile, drought and famine threaten Ethiopia, and Australia has suffered a record-setting heat wave. Earlier this year, a prolonged drought in Indonesia sparked a nightmare of forest fires that blanketed the region in smoke.

Taken together, the fires, floods, heat waves, tornadoes, and blizzards are surely strange, even unsettling—but the scariest weather of the year is still on the way.

As it departs North America this week, the storm will rapidly intensify over the northern reaches of the Gulf Stream and draw tremendous amounts of warm air northward from Spain and the Mediterranean Sea toward the Arctic. As the storm approaches Iceland, it will have strengthened to the equivalent of some of the strongest hurricanes ever recorded in terms of atmospheric pressure. Intensely high pressure over western Russia, perhaps boosted by melting sea ice, will aid in setting up the tropics-to-pole atmospheric superhighway

Unlike other recent episodes of extreme weather around the planet, this storm is probably not related to El Niño, which has limited influence in Europe. The storm will be strengthening over the exact spot that North Atlantic temperatures have been cooling over recent years, an effect that scientists have linked to a slowdown of the basin’s circulation triggered in part by melting sea ice—the same scenario that was highly dramatized in the movie The Day After Tomorrow. This year, there’s been a notable increase in the sharp contrast between this cold patch and record warm ocean temperatures in the tropical Atlantic, an effect that leads to stronger ocean storms—like this one.

The remarkable storm will briefly boost temperatures in the Arctic basin to nearly 10 degrees Fahrenheit warmer than normal—and the North Pole itself will be pushed above the freezing point, with temperatures perhaps as warm as 40 degrees. That’s absolutely terrifying and incredibly rare. Keep in mind: It’s late December and dark 24 hours a day at the North Pole right now. The typical average high temperature this time of year at the North Pole is about minus 15 to minus 20 degrees. To create temperatures warm enough to melt ice to exist in the dead of winter—some 50 or 60 degrees warmer than normal—is unthinkable.

For some perspective, I contacted a team of climate scientists at the University of Washington who maintain a fleet of weather monitoring equipment near the North Pole. James Morison, the principal investigator of the North Pole Environmental Observatory, said he’s “never heard of” temperatures above freezing in the wintertime there. Looking closer at the weather data, it appears this event is in fact unprecedented during the time period from late December through late April.

On Wednesday, the North Pole will be warmer than Western Texas, Southern California, and parts of the Sahara.

This, more than any other extreme weather event in a remarkable year for the climate, feels like something new. This midwinter melt at the North Pole is a preview of what’s to come later this century—in fact, the temperature anomalies match almost exactly with what is predicted. The long-feared worst-case climate change scenario, which, thankfully was made less likely by the Paris agreement earlier this month, projects an ice-free Arctic within decades. Storms like this week’s are exactly the type of events that do the dirty work of ushering in that world. In the meantime, we’re running on the knife’s edge as a civilization, dodging warning signs and hoping for a planetary miracle.

Read this and it gave me goosebumps. My reaction was, Why are we still debating Climate Change?

Something is definitely going on no matter what we might call it..
 

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I only remember when I was a child, decades ago, it was pretty unthinkable/impossible that there was a winter without snow. The "worst" that could've happened was that it snowed AFTER Christmas.

I remember I got a real shock when I came home from the US to Germany, this was in Winter of 2007. There were fields of green hops etc. in the area around Munich. I have never seen something like it. In the news they reported how many winter sports resorts lost big money because the lack of snow. And this year probably even worse, haven't been back but they told me it's warm..and in London people sitting out in beer gardens. Pretty messed up.

And seriously, the last some years we heard about really crazy things, like snow in the Sahara, massive "tornado outbreaks" without precedence etc....so of course the climate is changing. Those things are not normal.
 
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Read this and it gave me goosebumps. My reaction was, Why are we still debating Climate Change?

Something is definitely going on no matter what we might call it..

We're still debating climate change because the 'solutions' of yours are facially terrible for the vast majority of the world. First world middle/working class pays higher taxes and accepts lowers standard of living and vastly reduced consumer options, while the 3rd world forgoes modernization unless done with uneconomic "alternative energy" sources. All to benefit the investors of solar and wind power manufacturers and shift funds to coastal urbanites so they don't have to be inconvenienced or bear the costs of their shitty decision on where to live. No thanks. I'd rather people continue to make the economic choices that are right for them (e.g. buying a large car to haul their large family) and New Yorkers can learn to swim.
 

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We're still debating climate change because the 'solutions' of yours are facially terrible for the vast majority of the world. First world middle/working class pays higher taxes and accepts lowers standard of living and vastly reduced consumer options, while the 3rd world forgoes modernization unless done with uneconomic "alternative energy" sources. All to benefit the investors of solar and wind power manufacturers and shift funds to coastal urbanites so they don't have to be inconvenienced or bear the costs of their shitty decision on where to live. No thanks. I'd rather people continue to make the economic choices that are right for them (e.g. buying a large car to haul their large family) and New Yorkers can learn to swim.

I like that. "Coastal people should pay for their shitty choices of where to live so that I don't have to pay for my shitty choices on how to pollute". Lol. How about instead of learning to swim we make you pay for your pollution? Start pinching your pennies, glenn!

While I support carbon regulations almost entirely just because it's smart public policy and an acceptance of basic science, I do admit that listening to you screech about how oppressed you are by them will be amusing.
 

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Damn El Ninos!

I for one am looking forward to climate change denialists suddenly changing their tune on El Niño. When it happened in 1998 and gave us an exceptionally warm year we heard about the 'pause' ever since. Now that it looks like we are in for another exceptionally warm year I'm sure deniers will shift to saying that El Niño is an outlier that shouldn't count.
 

glenn1

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I like that. "Coastal people should pay for their shitty choices of where to live so that I don't have to pay for my shitty choices on how to pollute". Lol. How about instead of learning to swim we make you pay for your pollution? Start pinching your pennies, glenn!

While I support carbon regulations almost entirely just because it's smart public policy and an acceptance of basic science, I do admit that listening to you screech about how oppressed you are by them will be amusing.

We already do - 20% of gasoline taxes collected go to public transportation so that you can pay fares below operating costs in perpetuity. That's in addition to all the capital subsidies and other subsidies you get. But of course that's not enough, gotta add additional carbon taxes keep making the working class plebes in Moline pay for the 1%ers in Manhattan to have below-cost access to their exclusive condos.
 

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Read this and it gave me goosebumps. My reaction was, Why are we still debating Climate Change?

Something is definitely going on no matter what we might call it..

Heat is supposed to travel to the poles, storms are the mechanism for it, and it's no coincidence it happened this year. A storm with Hurricane force produces a WEATHER anomaly of +50 degrees, and you think it has never happened before. That's what's going on here, mass stupidity.
 
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I for one am looking forward to climate change denialists suddenly changing their tune on El Niño. When it happened in 1998 and gave us an exceptionally warm year we heard about the 'pause' ever since. Now that it looks like we are in for another exceptionally warm year I'm sure deniers will shift to saying that El Niño is an outlier that shouldn't count.
There is no "pause" assuming the El Nino event in 1998 never happened. I like the way you think! lol
 

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I was reading about this storm today. Apparently this type of thing is completely normal. It's probable that El Nino and/or global temperature increases have exacerbated it though.
 

fskimospy

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We already do - 20% of gasoline taxes collected go to public transportation so that you can pay fares below operating costs in perpetuity. That's in addition to all the capital subsidies and other subsidies you get. But of course that's not enough, gotta add additional carbon taxes keep making the working class plebes in Moline pay for the 1%ers in Manhattan to have below-cost access to their exclusive condos.

Uhmm, NYC is a massive net contributor to federal funds. It defies basic logic and math to say that NYC's transportation is subsidized by others when in fact the city is a huge net subsidizer of...well... everyone else. (like you!)

So again, keep pinching those pennies. You made the shitty decision to buy a highly polluting vehicle, so by your own logic we shouldn't be inconvenienced by your shitty decisions.
 

fskimospy

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There is no "pause" assuming the El Nino event in 1998 never happened. I like the way you think! lol

There's no 'pause', period.

That being said, deniers have tried to use 1998 to argue that there was, which was a pretty transparent attempt to use an outlier to indict long term trends. That's a stats 101 error, but I imagine this was due less to ignorance than a desire for an ideologically convenient outcome.

Now that 2016 looks to be an exceptionally warm year for the same reason, I fully anticipate deniers attempting to claim that it shouldn't be counted despite holding the opposite position before. Again, this is likely due less to ignorance than a desire for an ideologically convenient outcome.
 
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There's no 'pause', period.

That being said, deniers have tried to use 1998 to argue that there was, which was a pretty transparent attempt to use an outlier to indict long term trends. That's a stats 101 error, but I imagine this was due less to ignorance than a desire for an ideologically convenient outcome.

Now that 2016 looks to be an exceptionally warm year for the same reason, I fully anticipate deniers attempting to claim that it shouldn't be counted despite holding the opposite position before. Again, this is likely due less to ignorance than a desire for an ideologically convenient outcome.
And if the the global temperature effects from this El Nino fails to exceed the 1998 event? What then my good friend...what are we to conclude?
 

fskimospy

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And if the the global temperature effects from this El Nino fails to exceed the 1998 event? What then my good friend...what are we to conclude?

Nothing.

As I already said, using single years for analyzing long term trends is a stats 101 error. No competent individual would try to do such a thing.

Why do you ask? Do you think such an analysis would be anything other than incompetent?
 

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Colder than normal weather last year on the east coast and we're told it meant nothing because weather != climate.

This year warmer than normal weather on the east coast: OMG TEH GLOBAL WARMING STOP DRIVING ALL CARS OR WE WILL ALL DIEEEEEE!!!!11!!

Meanwhile on the west coast:

https://www.skihood.com/the-mountain/conditions

It's almost like the earth has natural regional variations from year to year. :\
 

glenn1

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Uhmm, NYC is a massive net contributor to federal funds. It defies basic logic and math to say that NYC's transportation is subsidized by others when in fact the city is a huge net subsidizer of...well... everyone else. (like you!)

So again, keep pinching those pennies. You made the shitty decision to buy a highly polluting vehicle, so by your own logic we shouldn't be inconvenienced by your shitty decisions.

LOL, you vote for the assclowns that write the laws causing you to be a "massive contributor to federal funds" then complain about it. How about you pay for your own fvcking subway fares and swim lessons, and keep your damn money for what's important like your worstroom and remelted "artisanal" chocolate. Trust us, the rest of the country will be much better off with you minding your own business and letting the rest of us mind ours.
 
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Nothing.

As I already said, using single years for analyzing long term trends is a stats 101 error. No competent individual would try to do such a thing.

Why do you ask? Do you think such an analysis would be anything other than incompetent?
Tell me something...why do you think the lower range of ECS consensus estimates continue to decrease as this "imaginary pause" continues?
 

fskimospy

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LOL, you vote for the assclowns that write the laws causing you to be a "massive contributor to federal funds" then complain about it. How about you pay for your own fvcking subway fares and swim lessons, and keep your damn money for what's important like your worstroom[/img] and remelted [url=http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2458911]"artisanal chocolate. Trust us, the rest of the country will be much better off with you minding your own business and letting the rest of us mind ours.

I didn't complain about anything, I simply mentioned to you that the idea that others were subsidizing NYC's transportation through federal funds is stupid.

As for your other recommendations, no thanks. All your other ranting is entirely beside the point anyway.
 

fskimospy

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Tell me something...why do you think the lower range of ECS consensus estimates continue to decrease as this "imaginary pause" continues?

So I assume you agree that your earlier suggestion that 2016 being cooler overall than 1998 would be indicative of anything was a basic stats error, right?

Also, I have no idea why you are referring to the imaginary pause in quotes. Can you explain this?
 

glenn1

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I didn't complain about anything, I simply mentioned to you that the idea that others were subsidizing NYC's transportation through federal funds is stupid.

As for your other recommendations, no thanks. All your other ranting is entirely beside the point anyway.

Fine, then write to your congressman and have them support this. Since it's a "stupid" idea that others are subsidizing NYC transportation it should be low hanging fruit for you.

http://www.planetizen.com/node/73809
 

fskimospy

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Fine, then write to your congressman and have them support this. Since it's a "stupid" idea that others are subsidizing NYC transportation it should be low hanging fruit for you.

http://thehill.com/policy/transportation/232801-advocates-seek-to-protect-federal-transit-subsidies

Do you have reading comprehension problems? I said your idea was stupid, not that federal spending on transportation was stupid. You are dumb, the funding is not.

Are you just so overcome with rage that you can't think straight? Thanks for the idea though, maybe I'll look at other transportation projects to spend your future carbon related tax money on. Maybe you should start clocking some overtime!
 

glenn1

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Do you have reading comprehension problems? I said your idea was stupid, not that federal spending on transportation was stupid. You are dumb, the funding is not.

Are you just so overcome with rage that you can't think straight? Thanks for the idea though, maybe I'll look at other transportation projects to spend your future carbon related tax money on. Maybe you should start clocking some overtime!

Fine with me as I can afford it, your Democratic voting inner city residents might find it a bit financially challenging. However I realize you don't really give a shit about them apart from being a lever to increase taxes that you don't want to pay yourself (*cough* collective action problem*). You should put away some of that carbon tax money for swimming lessons though.
 

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Why are we still debating Climate Change?

Perhaps you think you know all you need to know about a simple thing like the global climate but not everyone believes the same way. Some of us require a lot more information before we decide to dismantle Western industrial civilization in order to maybe, possibly, postponing 1 degree of warming before the year 2100.