virtuamike
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I found a grain of rice one day in the DIMM slot of an Abit KG-7. This would explain it. Stupid Abit sweatshops.
I knew you would say that.
My father just returned from a monthlong pleasure trip to china. What he saw and told me about fits in pretty well with what those figures show.
Originally posted by: lowtech
Yes, you are right that they don't paid our price. They often paid more for most luxury items that we take for granted. Such as the essential gasoline, cooking/heating oil, auto mobile, rice and wheat. Housing is much cheaper, but would you paid $50.00-400.00 USD permonth to live with 20 other people in a rat/cockroach infested pit that is smaller than your closet?Originally posted by: Shockwave
So, lets up all the wages to 6 bucks an hour, cause massive inflation followed by a deep depression as the enflamed economy crashes after rushing out of control. Then we can be the economy destroying greedy Amercians instead of just greedy Americans.
Some people are so fvsking stupid it pisses me off. THEY DONT PAY OUR PRICES FOR STUFF! So of COURSE they dont make what we make!!
But, yeah, lets all whine n cry n pay them what we make so their economy can eventually crsh. Genious.
Please do a bit of traveling & open your eyes.
Ok. Where all have you been? You speak of travel, do tell. Where have YOU travelled?
I make no excuse for the fact, or hide that the gap between the rich and the poor is huge.
Luxury items are exactly that. A luxury. Not needed. Why add to the already overpolluted atmosphere with even more cars?
You have NO IDEA what I have seen. Have you seen what goes on with your own eyes?
I have seen banquets where the cost was RMB10,000 per head.
I saw a mother picking food scraps out of a bin once, and she was holding a child. I gave her the equivalent of $50, which would have been enough to feed both for over 2 weeks.
The same thing goes on in many other parts of the world, although less often to such an extreme. The CEOs make millions, the worker barely stays out of bankruptcy.
Yes, people will suffer a lot, but in many of these cases, it is better than what they started off with. To these people, that is all that matters.
Originally posted by: Lucky
I knew you would say that.If you have any figures that contradict what I said, I'm sure we'd like to see them.
My father just returned from a monthlong pleasure trip to china. What he saw and told me about fits in pretty well with what those figures show.
Ask yourfather if it were a guided tour?
And, were there restriction to where he could go or is it that he only hang out at the tourist spots where it is patrol by the people army guards.
Typical wage of workers in Asian toy factories: from as little as 6 cents an hour up to $2.40 (U.S.) a day.
Inside a Chinese Sweatshop: "A Life of Fines and Beating" - Macau businessman, charged workers $15 a month for food and lodging in a crowded dorm--a crushing sum given the $22 Liu cleared his first month.
They call them "baby-face workers" - China's children labour round the clock. - "Sometimes we get so tired that we don't even notice when we prick ourselves with the needle," a girl in Wuhan said. "But we realise we are learning a skill, so it is enough just to be given our food. The scandal in the main garment district of Wuhan, China's big industrial city on the Yangtze, was exposed in this year's sweltering summer when 17-year-old Liu Li died of heat exhaustion.
Perhaps your sister could have paid the maid what she felt like. She would do so much for a person....give them employment and a large wage, instead of simply saying no.
I've seen nearly the same thing in America. You think China is the only country in the world with people who eat out of the trash? Apparently YOU sir are the one who needs to look around. EVERY country has poor people. Why should I feel badly about some people who are working for what WE consider to be absurdly poor wages and eating out of the trash when i can stroll to downtown and see homeless people getting paid NOTHING and eating out of the trash.
I'm confused. Whats makes a poor Chinese person more eligible for help then a poor American or poor German or poor African??
As for helping, have you heard some of the stories Peace Corp's people have? Some of the villages they go to help dont do ANYTHING. They sit around while wells are dug. They watch while feilds are turned over and prepped for planting. They lay about while wiring is strung. What makes someone who refuses to help better themselves eligibile for help at all? If I went to some village to help and they WATCHED while I did all the work, you can for damn sure bet I wouldnt be there the next day.
See, you have to pick and choose your battles. I'm an all or nothing. Help all or help none. I wont select a "underpaid" Chinese person to try and save anymore then an unemployed IT guy diggin in the trash.
To sum up, I'm not stereotyping. I hate them all equally
^^Thats just a saying, actually I have no emotion either way towards them.
That's really the point that I am trying to make in the first place.
Thanks for getting me back on track.
My real beef is with the article. Every country has poor people and you don't achieve anything by simply picking out certain ones.
I prefer to help where I can. You can't fix everything, but for those people that you do help, it makes a big difference to them.
Yes, there are poor people in America as well as other countries, but the scale of rich vs poor is extreme over there & they do not have a social system to assist them. You might want to read upon the millions of people who lose their home to the dams (power plants) that barely gets enough compensate money to relocate themselves let alone get a new home or job.Originally posted by: Shockwave
I've seen nearly the same thing in America. You think China is the only country in the world with people who eat out of the trash? Apparently YOU sir are the one who needs to look around. EVERY country has poor people. Why should I feel badly about some people who are working for what WE consider to be absurdly poor wages and eating out of the trash when i can stroll to downtown and see homeless people getting paid NOTHING and eating out of the trash.
I'm confused. Whats makes a poor Chinese person more eligible for help then a poor American or poor German or poor African??
As for helping, have you heard some of the stories Peace Corp's people have? Some of the villages they go to help dont do ANYTHING. They sit around while wells are dug. They watch while feilds are turned over and prepped for planting. They lay about while wiring is strung. What makes someone who refuses to help better themselves eligibile for help at all? If I went to some village to help and they WATCHED while I did all the work, you can for damn sure bet I wouldnt be there the next day.
See, you have to pick and choose your battles. I'm an all or nothing. Help all or help none. I wont select a "underpaid" Chinese person to try and save anymore then an unemployed IT guy diggin in the trash.
To sum up, I'm not stereotyping. I hate them all equally
^^Thats just a saying, actually I have no emotion either way towards them.
I have traveled to a few countries in Asia & North/Central America (Japan, Mainland China, Taiwan, Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, Tibet, Malaysia, Indonesia, Canada, USA, Mexico, Guatemala, Belize.)
This is ANY different from what goes on in the Black Belt? Where was the outrage when I posted articles about that. Lots of BIAS on AT as far as these matters are concerned. I will go ahead and say it pisses me off.
No different than what goes on in the US!
Poorest County in the US and one of the most poverty ridden areas in the world is Greene County. The entire Black Belt is just like that.
Min. Wage doesn't apply when it is the only fvcking job in a hundred mile area and you don't have a fvcking car.
No different than what goes on in the US!
Poorest County in the US and one of the most poverty ridden areas in the world is Greene County. The entire Black Belt is just like that.
Min. Wage doesn't apply when it is the only fvcking job in a hundred mile area and you don't have a fvcking car.
True. It's easier to point at and bash other people than to have a good, critical look at yourself.
What about the American ideal of an honest pay for an honest day's work? If you're working 72 hours/week in a factory doing work that's eventually going to contribute to your early death, with no insurance or job security, you should get your honest work's pay. Some people would say it applies only to American workers, but why should we not extend it to those we indirectly hire (through contractors and overseas subcontractors)? When American companies solicit bids to these overseas contractors, they do so knowing that there'll be companies doing everything they can to cut the bottom line, and those companies cut wages because they know there's plenty of desperate people looking for a job. We have all these ideals of restitution and preventing unjust enrichment in American contract law, somehow I guess none of that means anything when we're dealing with people in other countries.
It doesn't mean anything anywhere. You are acting as if Americans don't pull the same sh!t on their on people. The issue here is not geographical. The issue is plain old poverty, destitution and lack of education. It is EVERYWHERE in our world and no country is protected by it. I feel sorry for all the people who have to live like this in any country. I take so many things for granted as do most of us.
Those in power have money and that is never going to change. You can only hope for those who feel the need to contribute to those who are less fortunate and that is sometimes screwed by crappy organizations that embezzle donations and give them to those who are not truly needy.
lowtech, nothing you linked to contradicted what I said. You can find eggregious abuse over there, just as you can in the United States. I showed you facts.
Fumes from the lead solder rise past her face toward a ventilating fan high above the floor of the spotless factory.
Ha, sounds like where I work, without the fan
Ha, sounds like where I work, without the fan
Zhou Ya Ling, a Flextronics employee, takes a short break from her job inspecting printed circuit boards in Doumen, China
OK, WTF..they show her looking at a circuit card through a lens...is that what a Chinese break is??
OK, WTF..they show her looking at a circuit card through a lens...is that what a Chinese break is??
Allright, well, I actually live in China, so I have more right to comment on the wage issue than anyone else in this thread. (most likely) and the fact is that it costs about 50$ a month to live a half decent life here.
I'm gonna comment on the living in Qingdao because that's where I live. It's a port city with a decent city standard of living. (before you comment on how good my english is, I lived in America for 13 years before comming over here. I have an American passport. I am an American. Heh. Okay?)
You can live offa a dollar a day, if food is the only issue.
A decent apartment costs 1200$. That's not bad at all. A single room apartment fit for living by a single would cost about 20$ a month to rent.
A decent meal over here costs 50 cents. If you wanna go really low, you can get food that'll keep you going for about 30 cents. While that'll lead to mal nutrition, i've personally survived offa 50 cent meals when I was at my friends house eating out. That'll get you like, 15 mini dumplings, and a mini coke, and that was personally enough to keep me from starving.
Now, with the 20$ a month house rent issue, I am not spouting crap. That is true. Even a fairly good house fit for a family is 50$ a month. I know my friend and he lives with his mother in a single room apartment (it's like, 100 square feet, yes, but it's still livable. ) and his family makes no more than 120$ a month. And they live fine. I mean, if you cook your own food, you can get off with nutritious meals for 2 people for like, 3$ a day. Or less. Infact, 3$ a day for 2 people is overkill over here, if you don't eat alot of meat. I mean, vegetables go for like, 20 or 30 cents a pound over here. And a pound of vegetables is a hell of alot. And rice can sometimes sell for as low as 10$ for like, more than 20KG. And that's before it's cooked.
Most people don't own cars, they don't have car insurance, or *any* insurance for that matter. Like, 40% of the people over here own cellphones, and most own color TV's. I mean, hell, a used 21'' color TV over there is like, 50$. If you saved up for a year, you could buy one no sweat, even on their pathetic salary. Almost all transportation is like, done by bus's, where 12 cents will get you nearly from one end of the city to the next. And even the Taxi's charge like, 25 cents a mile. There goes alot of your reason for living expenses.
Transportation is a non issue. 12 cents to get on the bus to get to work, 12 cents to get back. like, 25 cents a day round trip.
When you think about that in that sense, it completly doable to survive offa that kinda salary. Now, wheather or not you'll be able to have some of the upper level conviences (Hell, we don't even have drinkable tap water over here. >.<) i'd say that to live decent, you'd need 120$ a month over here. That's more than enough to support a person in the middle class. So these people can lead very comfortable lives offa their 30 cent an hour salary.
That being said, it's obvious that it's cheaper to produce things over there. And those people can live decent lives offa that salary. But China's developing at an insane pace. Economically they'll catch up with the U.S.A. within 50 years. Don't laugh at their 30 cents an hour wages, it's enough for them. Even in a big city like Qingdao, 30 cents an hour isn't terrible. It's enough to live. It's enough to have some luxiries. And to the average Chinese, it's enough to be happy. Any questions, just PM me. I know alot about life over here.
I'm gonna comment on the living in Qingdao because that's where I live. It's a port city with a decent city standard of living. (before you comment on how good my english is, I lived in America for 13 years before comming over here. I have an American passport. I am an American. Heh. Okay?)
You can live offa a dollar a day, if food is the only issue.
A decent apartment costs 1200$. That's not bad at all. A single room apartment fit for living by a single would cost about 20$ a month to rent.
A decent meal over here costs 50 cents. If you wanna go really low, you can get food that'll keep you going for about 30 cents. While that'll lead to mal nutrition, i've personally survived offa 50 cent meals when I was at my friends house eating out. That'll get you like, 15 mini dumplings, and a mini coke, and that was personally enough to keep me from starving.
Now, with the 20$ a month house rent issue, I am not spouting crap. That is true. Even a fairly good house fit for a family is 50$ a month. I know my friend and he lives with his mother in a single room apartment (it's like, 100 square feet, yes, but it's still livable. ) and his family makes no more than 120$ a month. And they live fine. I mean, if you cook your own food, you can get off with nutritious meals for 2 people for like, 3$ a day. Or less. Infact, 3$ a day for 2 people is overkill over here, if you don't eat alot of meat. I mean, vegetables go for like, 20 or 30 cents a pound over here. And a pound of vegetables is a hell of alot. And rice can sometimes sell for as low as 10$ for like, more than 20KG. And that's before it's cooked.
Most people don't own cars, they don't have car insurance, or *any* insurance for that matter. Like, 40% of the people over here own cellphones, and most own color TV's. I mean, hell, a used 21'' color TV over there is like, 50$. If you saved up for a year, you could buy one no sweat, even on their pathetic salary. Almost all transportation is like, done by bus's, where 12 cents will get you nearly from one end of the city to the next. And even the Taxi's charge like, 25 cents a mile. There goes alot of your reason for living expenses.
Transportation is a non issue. 12 cents to get on the bus to get to work, 12 cents to get back. like, 25 cents a day round trip.
When you think about that in that sense, it completly doable to survive offa that kinda salary. Now, wheather or not you'll be able to have some of the upper level conviences (Hell, we don't even have drinkable tap water over here. >.<) i'd say that to live decent, you'd need 120$ a month over here. That's more than enough to support a person in the middle class. So these people can lead very comfortable lives offa their 30 cent an hour salary.
That being said, it's obvious that it's cheaper to produce things over there. And those people can live decent lives offa that salary. But China's developing at an insane pace. Economically they'll catch up with the U.S.A. within 50 years. Don't laugh at their 30 cents an hour wages, it's enough for them. Even in a big city like Qingdao, 30 cents an hour isn't terrible. It's enough to live. It's enough to have some luxiries. And to the average Chinese, it's enough to be happy. Any questions, just PM me. I know alot about life over here.
THen don't take the job.
The fact is these people are better off working than not working.
did you even read the article I linked?
Originally posted by: Eli
:Q 30 cents an hour? Man...
It does say that the 30 cents/hr is about China's minimum wage. But that really sucks that it is that low... 150 bucks a month.
So? You can't compare wages in one country to wages in another country, since the cost of living is different! to you 150 bucks a month might seem small, but to people in some other country it's a large sum of money!
man the amount of ignorance shown by some people is simply astounding. i always love it when people just ignore cost of living.
You are correct!! Most, but not all, waiters and waitresses get what used to be $2.10 an hour plus tips a few years back. If the math was done, including tips they was making close to $8hr. But this was like 10 years ago, so the laws may have changed now for that industry here in the US
Large Corporations both American and others Countries such as Japan that used to have factories in the U.S. have shut down the U.S. plant and sent the work to China, however they have been leaving a small "packaging" crew at the former factories in the U.S. where they take the nearly completed product that arrives in a Cargo container and slap a label on it and claim it is made in the U.S.
That is wrong! :disgust: :|
Makita which is right in my backyard here in Buford, Georgia is about to do just that. They better not have that label Made in Buford, Georgia U.S. on the drills when they shut down the assembly line here in January and send all the jobs to China.
That is wrong! :disgust: :|
Makita which is right in my backyard here in Buford, Georgia is about to do just that. They better not have that label Made in Buford, Georgia U.S. on the drills when they shut down the assembly line here in January and send all the jobs to China.
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