IT sweat shops in CHina

[Adul]

http://www.bayarea.com/mld/siliconvalley/4597519.htm

sadly, most of our parts will be from china

 

[Zugzwang152]

30 cent minimum wage...that's really depressing

 

[Atrail]

What job would they be doing if this company didn't hire them?

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Wonder if they'll attack Taiwan if we have trouble in Iraq and have to send in more troops than expected...

 

[Desslok]

"...often in violation of China's national labor law."

China has labor laws???:Q

 

[Eli]

:Q 30 cents an hour? Man...

It does say that the 30 cents/hr is about China's minimum wage. But that really sucks that it is that low... 150 bucks a month.

 

[tweakmm]

Originally posted by: Atrail
What job would they be doing if this company didn't hire them?

does it matter?

 

[AndyHui]

You have to realise that the cost of living is different before you say that the money that they earn is very little. Consider that if you give them much higher wages, then their cost of living increases as well.

It's all relative. There is no point comparing their wage to yours, since their overall buying power remains the same as yours.

Yes, I pop up to the Pearl River Delta from time to time for various reasons. As compared with my own wage, they earn very little, but it is enough for them in the economy that they live. That being said, I have no problems giving 50-100% tips most of the time.

30cents an hour? That's actually $2.50 for them, using the exchange rate. $2.50 is similar to what a lot of people earn in the service industry in the US, correct?

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: Atrail
What job would they be doing if this company didn't hire them?

does it matter?

Accually yes it does.


READ THIS

 

[Adul]

Originally posted by: AndyHui
You have to realise that the cost of living is different before you say that the money that they earn is very little. Consider that if you give them much higher wages, then their cost of living increases as well.

It's all relative. There is no point comparing their wage to yours, since their overall buying power remains the same as yours.

Yes, I pop up to the Pearl River Delta from time to time for various reasons. As compared with my own wage, they earn very little, but it is enough for them in the economy that they live. That being said, I have no problems giving 50-100% tips most of the time.

30cents an hour? That's actually $2.50 for them, using the exchange rate. $2.50 is similar to what a lot of people earn in the service industry in the US, correct?

no it is 5.75 hr and in cali it is 6.25 i believe.
hell in-n-out burger here pays 10 an hour here in phoenix

 

[AndyHui]

Ah. Forgive me. I remember reading in another thread about tips that waiters are given a much lower wage (around that figure that I quoted) in expectation of tips.

 

[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: Atrail
What job would they be doing if this company didn't hire them?

does it matter?

yes it does! this thread is exactly why soo many non-americans think americans are stupid jerks. stop comparing what you have and what you make to what other people make in other countries. you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[tweakmm]

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: Atrail
What job would they be doing if this company didn't hire them?

does it matter?

Accually yes it does.
READ THIS

I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want to be working where I'd be inhaling solder for 12 hour shifts
maybe it's just me

 

[Lucky]

Originally posted by: AndyHui
Ah. Forgive me. I remember reading in another thread about tips that waiters are given a much lower wage (around that figure that I quoted) in expectation of tips.

2.13, but if they dont make it to 5.15 (.25?) via tips the employer must make up the difference.

 

[AndyHui]

Originally posted by: Lucky

Originally posted by: AndyHui
Ah. Forgive me. I remember reading in another thread about tips that waiters are given a much lower wage (around that figure that I quoted) in expectation of tips.

2.13, but if they dont make it to 5.15 (.25?) via tips the employer must make up the difference.

Thankyou.

The cost of living in China is not even half of what it is in the US. On this basis, the wage is about right. Arguably it is low given the working conditions, but I think you get my point.

 

[Adul]

Originally posted by: AndyHui

Originally posted by: Lucky

Originally posted by: AndyHui
Ah. Forgive me. I remember reading in another thread about tips that waiters are given a much lower wage (around that figure that I quoted) in expectation of tips.

2.13, but if they dont make it to 5.15 (.25?) via tips the employer must make up the difference.

Thankyou.

The cost of living in China is not even half of what it is in the US. On this basis, the wage is about right. Arguably it is low given the working conditions, but I think you get my point.

i total understand how the cost of living is so muc lower, but for a hightech company to be so cheap on pay disturbs me. at least pay above min wage.

 

[lowtech1]

Originally posted by: AndyHui
You have to realise that the cost of living is different before you say that the money that they earn is very little. Consider that if you give them much higher wages, then their cost of living increases as well.

It's all relative. There is no point comparing their wage to yours, since their overall buying power remains the same as yours.

Yes, I pop up to the Pearl River Delta from time to time for various reasons. As compared with my own wage, they earn very little, but it is enough for them in the economy that they live. That being said, I have no problems giving 50-100% tips most of the time.

30cents an hour? That's actually $2.50 for them, using the exchange rate. $2.50 is similar to what a lot of people earn in the service industry in the US, correct?

Please get your FAQ straight. You might want to price a 20 kilogram sack of rice over there verses 44 pounds sack of rice over here. Most thing can be consider a bit cheaper over there, but luxury items such as fuel & automobiles cost more than over here. Most peasant make less than $300.00 USD a year, while the rich fat cat & families that call themselves the leader of the people party often can be found at night club sipping drinks & eating ordurve that cost more than $300.00 per serving.

As for what could they do if there weren't jobs. You could say the samething in this country just before there were the union. Or, you could go as far as what can a colour person do other than be a slave?

Obviously you people haven?t seen how they beat the poor/beggar with a stick & spit on them if they are standing in front of yuppie touristies places.

:| :disgust:

 

[Shockwave]

So, lets up all the wages to 6 bucks an hour, cause massive inflation followed by a deep depression as the enflamed economy crashes after rushing out of control. Then we can be the economy destroying greedy Amercians instead of just greedy Americans.
Some people are so fvsking stupid it pisses me off. THEY DONT PAY OUR PRICES FOR STUFF! So of COURSE they dont make what we make!!

But, yeah, lets all whine n cry n pay them what we make so their economy can eventually crsh. Genious.

 

[Adul]

Originally posted by: Shockwave
So, lets up all the wages to 6 bucks an hour, cause massive inflation followed by a deep depression as the enflamed economy crashes after rushing out of control. Then we can be the economy destroying greedy Amercians instead of just greedy Americans.
Some people are so fvsking stupid it pisses me off. THEY DONT PAY OUR PRICES FOR STUFF! So of COURSE they dont make what we make!!

But, yeah, lets all whine n cry n pay them what we make so their economy can eventually crsh. Genious.

not saying they shoud be paid 6 bucks an hour, but i think a little bit more money would be nice.

 

[lowtech1]

Originally posted by: Shockwave
So, lets up all the wages to 6 bucks an hour, cause massive inflation followed by a deep depression as the enflamed economy crashes after rushing out of control. Then we can be the economy destroying greedy Amercians instead of just greedy Americans.
Some people are so fvsking stupid it pisses me off. THEY DONT PAY OUR PRICES FOR STUFF! So of COURSE they dont make what we make!!

But, yeah, lets all whine n cry n pay them what we make so their economy can eventually crsh. Genious.

Yes, you are right that they don't paid our price. They often paid more for most luxury items that we take for granted. Such as the essential gasoline, cooking/heating oil, auto mobile, rice and wheat. Housing is much cheaper, but would you paid $50.00-400.00 USD permonth to live with 20 other people in a rat/cockroach infested pit that is smaller than your closet?

Please do a bit of traveling & open your eyes.

 

[Lucky]

Originally posted by: lowtech

Originally posted by: AndyHui
You have to realise that the cost of living is different before you say that the money that they earn is very little. Consider that if you give them much higher wages, then their cost of living increases as well.

It's all relative. There is no point comparing their wage to yours, since their overall buying power remains the same as yours.

Yes, I pop up to the Pearl River Delta from time to time for various reasons. As compared with my own wage, they earn very little, but it is enough for them in the economy that they live. That being said, I have no problems giving 50-100% tips most of the time.

30cents an hour? That's actually $2.50 for them, using the exchange rate. $2.50 is similar to what a lot of people earn in the service industry in the US, correct?

Please get your FAQ straight. You might want to price 1 kilogram of rice over there verses 2.2 pounds of rice over here. Most thing can be consider a bit cheaper over there, but luxury items such as fuel & automobiles cost more than over here. Most peasant make less than $300.00 USD a year, while the rich fat cat & families that call themselves the leader of the people party often can be found at night club sipping drinks & eating ordurve that cost more than $300.00 per serving.

As for what could they do if there weren't jobs. You could say the samething in this country just before there were the union, or you could go as far as what can a colour person do other than be a slave?

Obviously you people haven?t seen that how they beat the poor/beggar with a stick & spit on thme if they are standing in front of yuppie touristies places.

:| :disgust:

According to

this:
'


only 10% are in poverty (lower than the US's 12.7%)
the top 10% earn 30.4% of the country's money (comparable to the US's 30.5%), the bottom 10% earn 2.4%, higher than in the US, where its 1.8%

this source notes that "For example, although the average wage rate in China is only 2.1% that of the United States, productivity is also at only 2.7% that of the U.S"


And this data says that the average chinese wage is around 1,723.97 USD, not $300.

 

[Eli]

Minimum wage is being risen to $6.90 in January here in Oregon.

 

[yellowperil]

Another thing is that these women are breathing in solder fumes, looking at PCBs though magnifying glasses, and probably incurring repetitive strain and other work-related injuries all day/7 days a week, but aren't insured for it through medical insurance or even worker's comp. Like the article mentioned they have to save a portion of their income in case they have a medical emergency, in which case they're SOL because the factory can just find another person to replace.

 

[DanTMWTMP]

that's sad...sigh...well, it's $7 bucks here in california i think...

but really, 30 cents.....this is why our economy's down...all the jobs are in china...they have people who are glad to have a 30cent hourly wage.....and here in US...we have blue collar workers in labor unions who basically screwd up our economy by driving up labor costs....

 

[lowtech1]

Originally posted by: Lucky

Originally posted by: lowtech

Originally posted by: AndyHui
You have to realise that the cost of living is different before you say that the money that they earn is very little. Consider that if you give them much higher wages, then their cost of living increases as well.

It's all relative. There is no point comparing their wage to yours, since their overall buying power remains the same as yours.

Yes, I pop up to the Pearl River Delta from time to time for various reasons. As compared with my own wage, they earn very little, but it is enough for them in the economy that they live. That being said, I have no problems giving 50-100% tips most of the time.

30cents an hour? That's actually $2.50 for them, using the exchange rate. $2.50 is similar to what a lot of people earn in the service industry in the US, correct?

Please get your FAQ straight. You might want to price 1 kilogram of rice over there verses 2.2 pounds of rice over here. Most thing can be consider a bit cheaper over there, but luxury items such as fuel & automobiles cost more than over here. Most peasant make less than $300.00 USD a year, while the rich fat cat & families that call themselves the leader of the people party often can be found at night club sipping drinks & eating ordurve that cost more than $300.00 per serving.

As for what could they do if there weren't jobs. You could say the samething in this country just before there were the union, or you could go as far as what can a colour person do other than be a slave?

Obviously you people haven?t seen that how they beat the poor/beggar with a stick & spit on thme if they are standing in front of yuppie touristies places.

:| :disgust:

According to

this:
'


only 10% are in poverty (lower than the US's 12.7%)
the top 10% earn 30.4% of the country's money (comparable to the US's 30.5%), the bottom 10% earn 2.4%, higher than in the US, where its 1.8%

this source notes that "For example, although the average wage rate in China is only 2.1% that of the United States, productivity is also at only 2.7% that of the U.S"


And this data says that the average chinese wage is around 1,723.97 USD, not $300.

I was trying to tell you what the peasant make and unfortunately that the CIA fact is incorrect and highly distorted from the truth, because the communist government fudged the result. The government is ashame of themselves therefor they are not going to tell you the truth. I have been to China and my sister is currently a University prof in Beijing who refuses to have a house keeper because she feel that it is a rip off to paid someone $1.00 USD for a day of work. (I wonder how many pennies could a maid make a day in poorer provinces/town.)

Again, I urge you to do some travelling in those countries & see for yourself.