It seems to me that LCD TV's make more sense

[JackBurton]

OLED seems to be suffering the same problems Plasma did. Major players in the game aren't making OLED screens and are saying that are already launching smear campaigns against OLED since they have no intention of releasing an OLED product. They're sticking with LED and favoring resolution over display quality.

I hope it doesn't happen but already there have been statements from companies that indicate they're against moves towards OLED in favor of their current tech/resolution.

Much easier to sell 4K>1080p than OLED> LED.

What I'm saying is, his set is good enough to just sit back and wait for whatever tech to work itself out before upgrading.

OLED has been suffering from issues from the get go, however it SEEMS like they are making some progress, but a stable and reasonably priced display is still a ways off. This is a good start though.

 

[Pacfanweb]

What? That's like saying my car is faster than your banana.

OLED craps over LCD. Resolution has nothing to do with the tech in this context. It's about performance of the display itself, regardless of the tech used.

Did you even look at what that statement was in response to?

It was this:

"OLED is being held back by the push for 4k a tad, IMO."

And my statement essentially agreed with that. OLED is better, but the push is growing for the 4K sets, because OLED really isn't ready even though it produces a superior picture.

 

[Pacfanweb]

I have a 60" Kuro and a 65" ZT60 and I was able to put them on my entertainment centers on my own, without my wife's help.

How many time's are you lifting them like that?

This thread is nothing more than the same bullshit that has been spewed ad nauseum by people who have more money than brains. How much a TV weighs and this supposed massive energy differential (there is 0 to marginal difference) is really ridiculous.

What matters is viewing quality. If that means a brighter TV, thus an LCD, works better for you, then that means you buy an LCD. If you can deal with the brightness, then a plasma offers better quality, period.

My TV ZT60 faces east and is about 8' diagonally away from about 10' of 5' tall windows with a very bright southern exposure. To mitigate the problem we have top-down bottom-up shades that work very well.

I wrestled with whether to go LCD quite a bit and finally decided on better PQ of plasma even though my cutout could easily fit a 75". Sometimes I still think I should have gone with more real estate but looking at my buddies 70" of the same series I know I have better PQ.

3D = joke gimmick.

Fan noise? Are you kidding me? Unless I am 1' away from the TV I can't hear a fan.

I have a VT60, and I agree about the noise. What noise? Hell, every CRT ever made had more noise than any flat screen does. Nobody complained about that, because it was negligible.

As far as the silly brightness argument goes....let's be honest: Who sits down in front of their big screen TV and HT setup in the middle of the day in a brightly-lit room and watches a movie? Seriously?
If you DID have a room like that, would you not have some good blinds/curtains/shutters so you could reduce the light? I don't care what kind of TV you have, they are ALL going to be affected by a lot of light.

Nobody sits down in front of their high-end TV at 2pm in a bright room and says "I'm going to watch Avatar and just bask in how glorious my TV's picture is". No matter what TV you have, its picture is better in the dark.

My VT60 is plenty bright to watch a ball game in the afternoon. Reflections aren't a problem. I have curtains in my living room that block most of the light, because like any other TV, even though you can see it and it looks just fine with the curtains open, it looks a lot better when they're closed.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

All I know is that I'm glad I bought an F8500 when I needed a new set last fall . . .

 

[Wingznut]

As far as the silly brightness argument goes....let's be honest: Who sits down in front of their big screen TV and HT setup in the middle of the day in a brightly-lit room and watches a movie? Seriously?
If you DID have a room like that, would you not have some good blinds/curtains/shutters so you could reduce the light? I don't care what kind of TV you have, they are ALL going to be affected by a lot of light.

Nobody sits down in front of their high-end TV at 2pm in a bright room and says "I'm going to watch Avatar and just bask in how glorious my TV's picture is". No matter what TV you have, its picture is better in the dark.

My VT60 is plenty bright to watch a ball game in the afternoon. Reflections aren't a problem. I have curtains in my living room that block most of the light, because like any other TV, even though you can see it and it looks just fine with the curtains open, it looks a lot better when they're closed.

I work nights... So, morning to me is like evening to most other human beings. Most of my movie/TV watching is in daylight. So, there!

That being said, I agree with the rest of what you said. Of course I have dark curtains to draw when I'm watching movies or tv. And similar to what you said, my Panny plasma is more than bright enough (and without glare) to make me very happy in the daytime with curtains.

 

[ImpulsE69]

I have a VT60, and I agree about the noise. What noise? Hell, every CRT ever made had more noise than any flat screen does. Nobody complained about that, because it was negligible.

As far as the silly brightness argument goes....let's be honest: Who sits down in front of their big screen TV and HT setup in the middle of the day in a brightly-lit room and watches a movie? Seriously?
If you DID have a room like that, would you not have some good blinds/curtains/shutters so you could reduce the light? I don't care what kind of TV you have, they are ALL going to be affected by a lot of light.

Nobody sits down in front of their high-end TV at 2pm in a bright room and says "I'm going to watch Avatar and just bask in how glorious my TV's picture is". No matter what TV you have, its picture is better in the dark.

My VT60 is plenty bright to watch a ball game in the afternoon. Reflections aren't a problem. I have curtains in my living room that block most of the light, because like any other TV, even though you can see it and it looks just fine with the curtains open, it looks a lot better when they're closed.

Another case of "I don't so no one else possibly would!".... spoken like a single person.

What if someone said "I watch a 19" TV so anything bigger is just dumb?"

So yes...people watch their expensive equipment in the bright light of day. Crazy I know.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Another case of "I don't so no one else possibly would!".... spoken like a single person.

What if someone said "I watch a 19" TV so anything bigger is just dumb?"

So yes...people watch their expensive equipment in the bright light of day. Crazy I know.

Again....nobody who is serious about how good a picture their high-end TV has is going to throw in a high-quality Blu Ray in mid-day in a bright room just to enjoy the glorious picture.

And your example is ridiculous, because anyone who watches a 19" TV isn't a home theater enthusiast.

Yes, I know people watch TV during the day and in bright rooms....but not for critical viewing....Unless they're idiots. I thought that much would be a given in a Home Theater forum.
And I would think that even most idiots could figure out that any TV looks better the darker the room is.

 

[Midwayman]

So yes...people watch their expensive equipment in the bright light of day. Crazy I know.

Yup. Yet if they cared enough to buy high end equipment, they probably care enough to close curtains if they care about quality during mid-day viewing. Either that or they are just some douche bag throwing money around because 'its the best' and don't really care other than bragging about it.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Yup. Yet if they cared enough to buy high end equipment, they probably care enough to close curtains if they care about quality during mid-day viewing. Either that or they are just some douche bag throwing money around because 'its the best' and don't really care other than bragging about it.

His argument was over brightness and how you should only watch it in the dark. The point is, brightness is a legit selling point. People like to argue over jacked up brightness, but let's face it most of the population likes it. Just because the minority seem to think they know whats best for everyone else, doesn't make it the be all end all. I find it funny that the mindset is "well they must not really care about picture quality".

I mean, people have only been watching television in the daylight for decades.

 

[Pacfanweb]

His argument was over brightness and how you should only watch it in the dark. The point is, brightness is a legit selling point. People like to argue over jacked up brightness, but let's face it most of the population likes it. Just because the minority seem to think they know whats best for everyone else, doesn't make it the be all end all. I find it funny that the mindset is "well they must not really care about picture quality".

I mean, people have only been watching television in the daylight for decades.

You still miss the point, which was, HT Enthusiasts will typically only do their critical "check out my awesome TV" viewing in a darkened room. That's different than flipping it on to watch a game on Sunday afternoon....which I'd still bet most HT-loving folks would pull the curtains for.

Of course brightness is a super selling factor for the average, uninformed TV buyer. That's why there are 60" TV's for less than a grand that some folks think look just fine. Not who I was talking about.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I think also that especially here in Florida where a lot of homes have big windows in the living room and the room is designed to let in lots of natural light that glare might play a factor. We have some custom made shades for our windows but I don't imagine everyone would take that expense. It is cheaper and easier to just use an LCD TV and even then some of them are more reflective than others depending on the time of day. It is never quite as bad as trying to use my phone outside during the day though, nothing beats that glare.

 

[Midwayman]

His argument was over brightness and how you should only watch it in the dark. The point is, brightness is a legit selling point. People like to argue over jacked up brightness, but let's face it most of the population likes it. Just because the minority seem to think they know whats best for everyone else, doesn't make it the be all end all. I find it funny that the mindset is "well they must not really care about picture quality".

I mean, people have only been watching television in the daylight for decades.

Brightness is a selling point. However I'd argue that the people concerned about max brightness aren't particularly concerned about image quality. The minority that "thinks they know what's best" has actual measurable standards they adhere to. They want a display that complies to that standard. The general public buys what they think looks good no matter how well it displays the source material as intended. The difference is the people who care have a single objective standard. Everyone else has a varying subjective standard.

 

[poofyhairguy]

I think also that especially here in Florida where a lot of homes have big windows in the living room and the room is designed to let in lots of natural light that glare might play a factor.

Agreed. I have told everyone who has asked me about the death of plasma (since I am known as the plasma guy):

"open concept houses killed plasma."

Heck in recent years I have probably recommended more LEDs than plasmas, because if the person is wealthy and over 50 they need a TV that won't reflect their view of the golf course to watch golf on during the day.

sigh..

 

[BurnItDwn]

Seems like this should be very obvious by now ... but

Bright room:
Led LCD

Dim Room / Light Controlled
Plasma or Front Projection

Dedicated Theater room
Front Projection

So, if you have a TV in the living room for the kids to watch Spongebob, LCD is fine.

If you want a proper screening room for all your criterion blurays, then go with front projection in a properly set up room.

 

[tential]

I have a VT60, and I agree about the noise. What noise? Hell, every CRT ever made had more noise than any flat screen does. Nobody complained about that, because it was negligible.

As far as the silly brightness argument goes....let's be honest: Who sits down in front of their big screen TV and HT setup in the middle of the day in a brightly-lit room and watches a movie? Seriously?
If you DID have a room like that, would you not have some good blinds/curtains/shutters so you could reduce the light? I don't care what kind of TV you have, they are ALL going to be affected by a lot of light.

Nobody sits down in front of their high-end TV at 2pm in a bright room and says "I'm going to watch Avatar and just bask in how glorious my TV's picture is". No matter what TV you have, its picture is better in the dark.

My VT60 is plenty bright to watch a ball game in the afternoon. Reflections aren't a problem. I have curtains in my living room that block most of the light, because like any other TV, even though you can see it and it looks just fine with the curtains open, it looks a lot better when they're closed.

I watch a TON of TV/Movies during the day....

with my blinds drawn and lights off/dimmed. I like my TV for it's performance during the day, but I wanted a Plasma. They just don't make em as big as I want them to be. There are VERY few rooms that need the brightness of an LED HDTV. My livingroom doesn't have blinds on the second floor windows. That needs an LED HDTV. Every other tv in my home could be plasma.

Yup. Yet if they cared enough to buy high end equipment, they probably care enough to close curtains if they care about quality during mid-day viewing. Either that or they are just some douche bag throwing money around because 'its the best' and don't really care other than bragging about it.

I think this pretty much sums up the majority of TV buyers. They already come in with a preconceived notion of "its best" and they are purchasing based on their extremely limited knowledge.

If you believe that you're purchasing the highest quality product, you'll discount every other product no matter what. Just look at Apple users.... (no flame bait plis....)

 

[tential]

What I'm saying is, his set is good enough to just sit back and wait for whatever tech to work itself out before upgrading.

OLED has been suffering from issues from the get go, however it SEEMS like they are making some progress, but a stable and reasonably priced display is still a ways off. This is a good start though.

God... That makes me so excited for OLED. Why oh WHY did they have to invent 4K/UHD.

We are sitting on the BEST picture quality possible, and we're going to throw it away because 4K is so much easier to market than OLED. The worst part is, the ONLY people who benefit from 4K, are Home Theater Enthusiasts who setup their home theater so that they do benefit. 99% of people won't need the resolution bump because they sit WAY too far away from their display and their display is way too tiny. EVERYONE benefits from OLED though.

I wonder if there is a local shop that I can see OLED tech for myself. My family friend who isn't a huge tech nerd was just telling me how he was at CES and asking me if I knew what it was.... oh god it hurts All the things I want to see!