It seems the ACA/Obamacare is creating another generation of ungrateful tea partiers

[Texashiker]

By "the feds" cutting back on subsidies, you mean Republicans getting elected and voting to cut those subsidies?

Who is going to pay the subsidies for working class families who have to buy healthcare?

You? Me? The guy down the street?

How much are these subsidies going to add to the national debt?

 

[BUnit1701]

I seriously doubt the ACA will be in existence in 20 years, if the assessments are correct the ACA will collapse in the next year or so.

It will collapse on it's own without any help from anyone. The unhealthy and those requiring a subsidy outweigh those that will be paying into the system. This means that the healthy and those that don't receive a subsidy will have to pay huge premiums to support the ACA.

If you think the millennials are crying now that they have too large a burden due to their student loans, wait until they're hammered with high insurance premiums.

Please, name one Federal program that just 'collapsed on its own'.
The only way Obamacare is going away is A) Congress repeals it or B)Congress replaces it with full blown single-payer government run healthcare.

 

[Incorruptible]

obamacare still needs to be repealed and there needs to be a free market healthcare system.

 

[theeedude]

Who is going to pay the subsidies for working class families who have to buy healthcare?

You? Me? The guy down the street?

How much are these subsidies going to add to the national debt?

Federal taxes.

 

[Texashiker]

Federal taxes.

With the baby boomers about to retire, and a record number of people on welfare, are there enough working people paying taxes to support all of those government programs?

This family tried to buy health insurance, which was going to cost them $10,000 a month in premiums.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...verage-now-struggling-with-new-plans-expense/

How many people need to be working to support one families cost of $10k a month?

Where is the money supposed to come from to support the system?

 

[Theb]

My wife experienced this first hand a couple years ago. Her job was verifying people qualified for Medicaid and regularly had people who wanted to make sure they weren't signing up for Obamacare.

Ultimately the Obamacare moniker has been bad PR for Obama, but it might be a good thing for the ACA and the uninsured. People can hate Obama and Obamacare and sign up for health insurance without ever seeing either of those nouns.

 

[theeedude]

With the baby boomers about to retire, and a record number of people on welfare, are there enough working people paying taxes to support all of those government programs?

This family tried to buy health insurance, which was going to cost them $10,000 a month in premiums.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...verage-now-struggling-with-new-plans-expense/

Where is the money supposed to come from to support the system?

Increased top marginal rates, capital gains, and estate taxes.

The newspaper reported that the couple receives disability payments and are covered under Medicare. The state’s Children’s Special Health Care Services covers issues related to the teens’ bone condition but not their other health needs.

Seems like a problem with their state plan. Why do you even care, they are a bunch of "takers" anyways.

 

[Texashiker]

Ultimately the Obamacare moniker has been bad PR for Obama, but it might be a good thing for the ACA and the uninsured. People can hate Obama and Obamacare and sign up for health insurance without ever seeing either of those nouns.

My daughter in law does not health insurance through her employer. So she got on the net, got a subsidy and is paying something like $55 a month for health insruance.

If my wife tried to get that policy it would cost her around $400 a month due to her age and underlying health conditions.

Where is the balancing point that was supposed to happen? I thought higher rates would go down if young people signed up?

Why are young people who are unlikely to need healthcare getting subsidies?

 

[theeedude]

My daughter in law does not health insurance through her employer. So she got on the net, got a subsidy and is paying something like $55 a month for health insruance.

If my wife tried to get that policy it would cost her around $400 a month due to her age and underlying health conditions.

Where is the balancing point that was supposed to happen? I thought higher rates would go down if young people signed up?

Why are young people who are unlikely to need healthcare getting subsidies?

You conservatives need to decide whether to bash Obamacare for subsidizing young people or for forcing them to subsidize everyone else. Otherwise the two criticisms cancel each other out.

 

[Texashiker]

You conservatives need to decide whether to bash Obamacare for subsidizing young people or for forcing them to subsidize everyone else. Otherwise the two criticisms cancel each other out.

Young people have more energy and can work longer hours. Why should I subside them when they can get a second job or work overtime?

I have been working and paying into the system for 30 years. But yet I do not qualify for a subside?

But someone who works a barely above minimum wage job and has only paid into the system for a couple of years gets a subside?

 

[theeedude]

Young people have more energy and can work longer hours. Why should I subside them when they can get a second job or work overtime?

I have been working and paying into the system for 30 years. But yet I do not qualify for a subside?

But someone who works a barely above minimum wage job and has only paid into the system for a couple of years gets a subside?

Subsidy is based on income. But I am glad you think the young are getting a sweet deal under Obamacare, because that's not what the rightwing sites are saying. Good for you, thinking for yourself!

 

[ElFenix]

Your words make no sense.

God Bless America! (I can agree with that)

God Bless Obama (he would never go along with that) He's a Muslim, you idiot.

 

[Texashiker]

Subsidy is based on income. But I am glad you think the young are getting a sweet deal under Obamacare, because that's not what the rightwing sites are saying. Good for you, thinking for yourself!

What the government is doing to creating another low wage trap.

Why should someone take a slightly better paying job if they are going to lose the Subsidy?

 

[OrByte]

Young people have more energy and can work longer hours. Why should I subside them when they can get a second job or work overtime?

I have been working and paying into the system for 30 years. But yet I do not qualify for a subside?

But someone who works a barely above minimum wage job and has only paid into the system for a couple of years gets a subside?

Is it her age that is winning her the subsidy or the low reported income?

 

[OrByte]

What the government is doing to creating another low wage trap.

Why should someone take a slightly better paying job if they are going to lose the Subsidy?

So...now your arguments are getting confusing.

Are you arguing against lower wage earners getting health insurance?

 

[Texashiker]

Is it her age that is winning her the subsidy or the low reported income?

I do not know what is getting her the low premiums.

Are you arguing against lower wage earners getting health insurance?

Absolutely not.

Access to health care should be a basic human right. Just as our right to vote is protected, so should our right to health care.

 

[theeedude]

What the government is doing to creating another low wage trap.

Why should someone take a slightly better paying job if they are going to lose the Subsidy?

Sliding scale. This is another conservative argument that confuses cause and effect like unemployment benefits creating unemployment.

 

[OrByte]

I do not know what is getting her the low premiums.

OK so you made an assumption.

Absolutely not.

Access to health care should be a basic human right. Just as our right to vote is protected, so should our right to health care.

so i don't see what the problem is. It seems more people are getting health insurance now than ever before.

 

[Texashiker]

OK so you made an assumption.

She told me she is getting a subsidy and only paying around $55 a month.

The reason for the subsidy she did not say.

so i don't see what the problem is. It seems more people are getting health insurance now than ever before.

Why should my wife and I be subsiding a younger persons health care?

Why isn't the employer being forced to subside her insurance?

Better yet, that young person get away from minimum wage jobs.

 

[theeedude]

She told me she is getting a subsidy and only paying around $55 a month.

The reason for the subsidy she did not say.




Why should my wife and I be subsiding a younger persons health care?

Why isn't the employer being forced to subside her insurance?

Better yet, that young person get away from minimum wage jobs.

How do you know you are subsidizing her health care? You need to do an accounting of how much you pay in premiums minus what you take in services first, then do same accounting for her. It could very well be that she is subsidizing you and your wife.

 

[Texashiker]

How do you know you are subsidizing her health care?

My wife and I pay taxes.

She gets a tax return.

 

[theeedude]

My wife and I pay taxes.

She gets a tax return.

So what? Tax return just means you overpaid taxes during the year.

 

[Texashiker]

So what? Tax return just means you overpaid taxes during the year.

How do you over pay working minimum wage?

She does not make enough to pay for her own health coverage so others have to chip in.

I do not mind helping those in need, honestly I do not. It just seems the people in their 40s and 50s are getting screwed on health care.

 

[OrByte]

She told me she is getting a subsidy and only paying around $55 a month.

The reason for the subsidy she did not say.

so it's automatically a bad thing that she has coverage? ok I got it. :/

Why should my wife and I be subsiding a younger persons health care?

social security...ie..get over it.

Why isn't the employer being forced to subside her insurance?

maybe it is?

Better yet, that young person get away from minimum wage jobs.

everyone has to start somewhere. I'd prefer the young workforce start a lower paying jobs and work up from there. I'm willing to bet this person in question feels the same way...or maybe you understand this persons motivations to having a low wage earning job better than the rest of us? I think maybe you are jumping to conclusions to fit your political view...

 

[glenn1]

Reading this TOTALLY reminds me of your typical 'Gubmint better not touch my Medicare'! Tea Partier. In 20 years time, will the rallying cry of the Tea Partier be, "Gubmint better not touch my Obamacare!"?

I see the left is experiencing cognitive dissonance that the supposed beneficiaries of their generosity aren't singing the Hosanas the left thinks it deserves. It's the same thinking as "the Iraqis will greet us as liberators and toss flowers at our feet" from the last administration.

Perhaps at some point Phokus, Eskimospy, and the rest will realize the truth - conservatives hate your fucking guts and want nothing to do with you or your policies, even if there was some benefit in it for them. And it could reasonably be argued that Obamacare doesn't help the majority of conservatives in the slightest.