It seems likely that one day technology will replace most jobs

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At that point what happens? Service industries only go so far to provide jobs and when the costs of people earning a living wage is significantly more than robotics only those who own or maintain them will be ok. After that humanity becomes redundant.

What then?
 

dullard

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What then? Then we celebrate. We sit back and enjoy 24/7 luxury and relaxation while the robots do everything. Robots taking jobs are only a problem for people who are inflexible or unintelligent (ie those who can't get jobs building / programming / repairing / improving robots).
 

Ronstang

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How do businesses survive with no customers? There is a balance point. Put enough people out of work and you yourself may be out of business soon.
 

shortylickens

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Well, in Gene Roddenberry's universe, there is no economy. People can get whatever they need by pushing a button. So we will work to better ourselves and thats pretty much all there is.
 

hal2kilo

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Well, in Gene Roddenberry's universe, there is no economy. People can get whatever they need by pushing a button. So we will work to better ourselves and thats pretty much all there is.

The only job I see being secure into the future is being a janitor.
 

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Robots can do regular tasks but will not be able to envision or innovate.

So, basically, we would all have jobs. They'd be intellectual jobs involving research, discovery, advancement, art, music etc.

Just like fewer and fewer humans farm and till the lands today, fewer and fewer humans will be doing accounting and surgery in the future.
 

sandorski

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When Machines do all the Labour, the only Labour for Humanity will be Survival against the cold calculated dominion of the Machine Overlords.
 

shira

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I'm just waiting for technology to produce highly affordable Blade Runner replicants; I'd choose the Sean Young model.
 

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Liberals will want to start taxing robots who work hard, and start regulating them via big government. Conservative robots will be outraged and start the Metropolis Tea Party of 2034, they will anoint Sarah Palindrone as their leader and overthrow their big government oppressors.

There will be questions whether or not Bot Obama was manufactured in Nigeria or Hawaii
 
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matt0611

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But it will put people out of jobs!! /sarcasm

That will be great, then we don't have to work, unless we want to.
 

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At that point what happens? Service industries only go so far to provide jobs and when the costs of people earning a living wage is significantly more than robotics only those who own or maintain them will be ok. After that humanity becomes redundant.

What then?

This is only an issue if you're stuck on the 40 hour work week. Some posters are talking about maintaining robots... well robots are only going to get more and more reliable as time passes.

We need to get past the idea that each person has to work either 40 hours or not at all, and just accept that we'll need to get paid more for less hours, and have more leisure time. Even now, imagine what unemployment would be like if we had a 30 hour workweek.

Complaining about the inability to work a full 40 hours would be like the Romans complaining that life was too easy because slaves and the colonies were doing all the work.
 

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Well lets hope we start exploring the cosmos by then. That way we have shit to do.
 

sandorski

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This is only an issue if you're stuck on the 40 hour work week. Some posters are talking about maintaining robots... well robots are only going to get more and more reliable as time passes.

We need to get past the idea that each person has to work either 40 hours or not at all, and just accept that we'll need to get paid more for less hours, and have more leisure time. Even now, imagine what unemployment would be like if we had a 30 hour workweek.

Complaining about the inability to work a full 40 hours would be like the Romans complaining that life was too easy because slaves and the colonies were doing all the work.

This brings up the most important aspects of such an alleged future. How does our current Capitalist System survive in such a future? Short answer: It doesn't or, more accurately, can't.
 

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At that point what happens? Service industries only go so far to provide jobs and when the costs of people earning a living wage is significantly more than robotics only those who own or maintain them will be ok. After that humanity becomes redundant.

What then?

Looks like someone overdosed on the Matrix and then fell asleep with Blade Runner and iRobot looping.
 

Infohawk

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Those who in power will live lives similar to aristocrats of the past and present. They will engage in artistic, scientific, religious pursuits if they want to or they will live a decadent but unfulfilled life. (I don't think it will be too bad for most people, birth rates will be low and it could be a golden age.)

I think the real question is what happens to the many stupid people out there. At that point it becomes what do the powerful people want for them. Could be death, slavery, assistance or being left alone without technology.
 

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The whole world is on track to increase automation. The whole world is also on track to shift more of life's costs to government. When government provides your health care, retirement, and education, you can accept lower wages. And of course, as we actually produce less and less wealth, whether by outsourcing production or by using automation to concentrate production among a smaller number of people, we'll have less wealth to spend on services for ourselves. Increasingly our service economy will shift from serving each other to serving the wealthy, for as government supplies more of our wants and needs, and as our wealth-producing job options decrease, we'll be cheaper to hire. So I think we will see the wealthy continue to increase the servants they employ. Government and the wealthy will increasingly become intertwined because increasingly one needs government patronage or protection to maintain very high wealth levels. It's the new serfdom. However most Third World nations will find human labor profitable for quite some time, as an authoritarian government can merely keep wages down to a level that makes further automation economically not viable.
 

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This brings up the most important aspects of such an alleged future. How does our current Capitalist System survive in such a future? Short answer: It doesn't or, more accurately, can't.

If everyone had a box that you could push in what you want and it would give it to you then capitalism couldn't exist. But who cares? We wouldn't need it to.
 

Craig234

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I've thought about this, and just as the turn of the 20th century idealists envisioned a life of leisure for people coming up and were quite wrong, the answer is, that as people become more expensive than they are productive, it's likely the powerful will have policies one way or another that would greatly reduce the population, leaving more for themselves.

That, rather than some utopia like' The Jetsons' with a large population all enjoying the leisure.

In fact, the two-income household becoming the norm in the second half of the 20th century, while a reported one in five households had at least one full-time domestic employee in 1900 as poor as it was with an average $10,000 income adjusted for inflation, says how we're going the other direction as technology increases.

What we DO have is a golden age for the very rich, who are siphoning off wealth and concentrating it in their own hands like rarely if ever before.

The question is whether with such automation we'd have a liberal approach ensuring all humanity benefits, or a conservative one leading to increased tyranny.

I suspect the latter. I don't think Americans quite understand how precarious their position is, as they have become very expensive spoiled brats, who once were coddled as the US milked much of the rest of the world, as they were the engine for the economic and military machine, but now are more an expense the rich can drain.

As much as we like to criticize political leaders, are any as bad as the voters, who support the latest slogan and oppose the latest trivial 'scandal', and are led around by the nose by the propaganda industry, oblivious to how they keep supporting 'phony' representatives of the powerful, unable to recognize how they're exploited?

The government in theory in a champion of the interests of the broad public against the few powerful, but even as the few powerful undermine democracy, the people blame 'the government' rather than the real problems such as allowing the excess concentration of wealth that guarantees many problems for the public.

The public has forgotten that if wants a share of the growth, it has to fight for it.

Look at the mansions a century ago of the Hearsts, the Vanderbilts, the Morgans, the Gettys, in contrast to the shanties of many workers, for an example how all this new 'wealth' is handled, if the people don't prevent that; and look at how much more evenly society progressed in the liberal era from FDR to LBJ.
 

werepossum

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SNIP
What we DO have is a golden age for the very rich, who are siphoning off wealth and concentrating it in their own hands like rarely if ever before.

SNIP

Look at the mansions a century ago of the Hearsts, the Vanderbilts, the Morgans, the Gettys, in contrast to the shanties of many workers, for an example how all this new 'wealth' is handled, if the people don't prevent that; and look at how much more evenly society progressed in the liberal era from FDR to LBJ.

Irony, thou art a harsh mistress.

Craig, we could also end up following a progressive path to tyranny.
Impossible, for in Craigerica Goverment (cue harps) would forbid anyone to call it tyranny under penalty of indefinite imprisonment. It would be called true enlightenment, the freedom to do exactly as you are told by those who know best.
 
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At that point what happens? Service industries only go so far to provide jobs and when the costs of people earning a living wage is significantly more than robotics only those who own or maintain them will be ok. After that humanity becomes redundant.

What then?

I don't know when. It will happen though.

And it will be a victorious day for the God-followers, because they will be showing humans that they have value: when society and corporations say you are only as worthy if you can provide for your family--they will be showing humans we have value because we were made like God, with part of his Spirit.

If all we are is evolved, then there should be no reason why we look for meaning (because there is none [if all we are is evolved beings]).
 
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Liberals will want to start taxing robots who work hard, and start regulating them via big government. Conservative robots will be outraged and start the Metropolis Tea Party of 2034, they will anoint Sarah Palindrone as their leader and overthrow their big government oppressors.

There will be questions whether or not Bot Obama was manufactured in Nigeria or Hawaii

haha!
 

sandorski

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If everyone had a box that you could push in what you want and it would give it to you then capitalism couldn't exist. But who cares? We wouldn't need it to.

It will never be quite that simple. Someone, somewhere will indeed be required to do things. They will need some sort of Reward for their Labour. I suppose Wealth isn't the only Reward, Fame or Fascination(One's love of something) can also be a reward. A Society where Wealth has no meaning or purpose is difficult to comprehend, certainly is something that would need time to evolve.