IT People - Do you think job market will improve? - POLL Added

[Hoober]

Originally posted by: damiano

Originally posted by: Hoober

Originally posted by: yoda291

Originally posted by: Hoober

Originally posted by: Dat
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regardless of market condition, IT still pays pretty well for those with the skill + talent. My peer group all make around 100k a year with a few years experience.

I'd love for you to tell me where to make 100,000 a year with three years experience in IT. And then tell me how to get it.

Considering most professional consultants bill out at a minimum of 150/hr...doesn't sound all THAT hard to do...it's just a lot of work.

It's probably not all that hard to do, but you need the experience to be able to bill yourself as a consultant.

I bill 250 an hour

What type of consulting do you do? And how long were you in that business before you moved to consulting?

 

[yoda291]

Originally posted by: Hoober

Originally posted by: yoda291

Originally posted by: Hoober

Originally posted by: Dat
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regardless of market condition, IT still pays pretty well for those with the skill + talent. My peer group all make around 100k a year with a few years experience.

I'd love for you to tell me where to make 100,000 a year with three years experience in IT. And then tell me how to get it.

Considering most professional consultants bill out at a minimum of 150/hr...doesn't sound all THAT hard to do...it's just a lot of work.

It's probably not all that hard to do, but you need the experience to be able to bill yourself as a consultant.

3 straight years of freelance work is a LOT...and I mean obscene... of experience. Freelancing means you pull an 80 hr work week and get paid for 1/2 to 3/4 of it. Man-whoring would prolly be easier.

 

[calpha]

Well, I've taken a diff't perspective on it. The job outlook for me is permanently in the dumps. Iv'e got 5 years expereince in windows development working w/ VB, C++, ASP, COM+ and XML. As well as both MS-SQL and Oracle. I've even written a few web pages in PHP/Mysql to get myself rounded.

The rates are way down where I live---and usually I'm lucky to get an interview. But, what I'm seeing a big trend in is companies going under me---in other words going for a person w/ one or two years out of school max--and paying $22-25/hr contract rates. I don't think that will change. My problem is that I didn't specialize enough---or realize the importance of gaining a skill that no one else had.

I've added a lot to my experience in the past two years as far as what else I can do now---but my goal is now to figure out a product that I can sell. I don't see the job market getting any better for me unless I can figure out how to make a job for myself (and yes I'm working on more then one idea to bring that to fruition).

 

[damiano]

Originally posted by: Hoober

Originally posted by: damiano

Originally posted by: Hoober

Originally posted by: yoda291

Originally posted by: Hoober

Originally posted by: Dat
*edit*

regardless of market condition, IT still pays pretty well for those with the skill + talent. My peer group all make around 100k a year with a few years experience.

I'd love for you to tell me where to make 100,000 a year with three years experience in IT. And then tell me how to get it.

Considering most professional consultants bill out at a minimum of 150/hr...doesn't sound all THAT hard to do...it's just a lot of work.

It's probably not all that hard to do, but you need the experience to be able to bill yourself as a consultant.

I bill 250 an hour

What type of consulting do you do? And how long were you in that business before you moved to consulting?

about 5 years experience.
Wan/Lan admin
software dev
DB dev
etc...etc..
the key is NYC

 

[spidey07]

I really don't think it will improve. Now IT is just another job just like an accoutant. Unfortunately in IT a 17 year old can do it...I mean lets face it, IT is really a very easy job.

<---been in IT for 13 years.

 

[TheNemesis]

Originally posted by: calpha
Well, I've taken a diff't perspective on it. The job outlook for me is permanently in the dumps. Iv'e got 5 years expereince in windows development working w/ VB, C++, ASP, COM+ and XML. As well as both MS-SQL and Oracle. I've even written a few web pages in PHP/Mysql to get myself rounded.

The rates are way down where I live---and usually I'm lucky to get an interview. But, what I'm seeing a big trend in is companies going under me---in other words going for a person w/ one or two years out of school max--and paying $22-25/hr contract rates. I don't think that will change. My problem is that I didn't specialize enough---or realize the importance of gaining a skill that no one else had.

I've added a lot to my experience in the past two years as far as what else I can do now---but my goal is now to figure out a product that I can sell. I don't see the job market getting any better for me unless I can figure out how to make a job for myself (and yes I'm working on more then one idea to bring that to fruition).

I'm still in hs but this worries me, I don't see much point in general computer knowledge...it really doesn't get you anywhere apparently. This got me kinda down about computers because I figure by the time I graduate from college maybe I'll be in the exact same situation, and I don't want that.

 

[Ranger X]

The outlook for IT jobs doesn't look too promising. I agree that people will always be needed but they want VERY specifics (i.e., ads say X number of years in Y, etc). There are jobs out there but many of us don't qualify for it.