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It looks like time has finally caught up with the Athlon XP.

RussianSensation

RussianSensation

Elite Member
World of WarCraft CPU Performance

A slow 2.4ghz P4 is beating AXP3200+ and XP2500+ is well...let's not even talk about that.
The A64 is performing like a leader should 🙂

This is with 1 gig of ram and 6800Ultra BTW.

Half-Life 2

Poor XP cant even get above 50 frames with their top end model. P4 isnt doing that great either.
This is with X800XT PE

Doom 3
P4 2.4C is easily matching XP3000+. However, the performance advantage of P4 3.2 is nothing to write home about as A64 2800+ takes it out. This is with 6800Ultra.

All hail A64!!!
 
yeap. i just ordered my self a new system yesterday to replace my athlon xp...


old system:

AMD ATHLON XP 2700+
ASUS A7N8X DELUXE
GEFORCE 6800 GT
1GB PC2700 RAM
120GB HARD DRIVE
60 GB HARD DRIVE


new system:

AMD 64 3200+ 939 .09nm
MSI K8N NEO 2 PLATINUM
GEFORCE 6800 GT
1GB PC2700 RAM (For now, plan to upgrade to some PC3500 or PC4000 in February)
120GB HARD DRIVE
60GB HARD DRIVE

according to those benchmarks I should be expecting around a 40fps boost in games 😀
 
I'm going to hold onto my XP 2100+ a little longer, at least until mid January after the holidays, and when the prices level out and nforce4 comes around. I'm wanting my PCI-e. That 6600GT is looking very pretty as well. nice performance/price ratio in my book.
 
Originally posted by: Ahkorishaan
I'm going to hold onto my XP 2100+ a little longer, at least until mid January after the holidays, and when the prices level out and nforce4 comes around. I'm wanting my PCI-e. That 6600GT is looking very pretty as well. nice performance/price ratio in my book.
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the prices on the amd 64 90nm processors are about to go flying thru the roof i hear. the low prices were only for the holidays.
 
Originally posted by: DaveA
Originally posted by: Ahkorishaan
I'm going to hold onto my XP 2100+ a little longer, at least until mid January after the holidays, and when the prices level out and nforce4 comes around. I'm wanting my PCI-e. That 6600GT is looking very pretty as well. nice performance/price ratio in my book.
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the prices on the amd 64 90nm processors are about to go flying thru the roof i hear. the low prices were only for the holidays.
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Where did you hear that? Cause everything I've read points to their prices coming down until they are at the prices AMD has set for them.
 
i only read it on hardforum. some member posted it. no proof so take it with a grain of salt. could be an expensive grain if you ignore it and prices do sky rocket.
 
Hmmm.
I'm considering blowing the budget and buying the Athlon 64 FX 55 with an ASUS A8N-SLI mobo.
Or, using the Athlon 64 4000+ chip for a few bucks less.
Thoughts?

Also, the memory on the QVL for the ASUS A8N-SLI board is a joke.
I've used ECC memory for the last 15 years and CHKDSK never reports problems.
Before using ECC memory I constantly had problems with CHKDSK and my data on the hard drive.

In 1981 when IBM came out with the original PC, I had a whopping 640KB of memory.
This was done by adding 64KB at a time at a price of around $50 each.
In other words, 640KB would be around $500.
In those days I always used non-parity RAM. Big mistake.


Now 1GB of ECC parity memory is around $200.

What an industry!

 
Originally posted by: RussianSensation


Half-Life 2

Poor XP cant even get above 50 frames with their top end model. P4 isnt doing that great either.
This is with X800XT PE
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Anand's HL2 cpu-scaling article is coming next week. He usually has the xp3200+ on the bench.



 
Originally posted by: klah
Originally posted by: RussianSensation


Half-Life 2

Poor XP cant even get above 50 frames with their top end model. P4 isnt doing that great either.
This is with X800XT PE
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Anand's HL2 cpu-scaling article is coming next week. He usually has the xp3200+ on the bench.
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That will be very beneficial. I'll get to see how badly an A64 3000+ is trouncing my 2.3ghz mobile barton. Then I'll be further spurred on to upgrade.
 
Very eye-opening info Russian. Fortunately many people are getting their XP-M chips to the 2.4 Ghz range, but this still shows that the XP lineup is starting to show it's age, while the P4 is aided by it's memory bandwidth and the A64 asserts itself strongly as the leader in games.

For Doom3 the 3200+ falls right about where it should: between a 2.8C and 3.0C (remember the Athlon XP nomenclature is derived for favorable competition vs the 100 MHz FSB P4's and fair competition vs the 133 MHz FSB P4's; the 200 MHz HT P4's just outclass the Athlon XP at a given rating).

Same for HL2; Athlon XP 3200+ battles it out with ~3 Ghz P4's.

World of Warcraft is a real eye-opener though; probably more memory intensive.


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Originally posted by: DaveA
Originally posted by: Ahkorishaan
I'm going to hold onto my XP 2100+ a little longer, at least until mid January after the holidays, and when the prices level out and nforce4 comes around. I'm wanting my PCI-e. That 6600GT is looking very pretty as well. nice performance/price ratio in my book.
Click to expand...

the prices on the amd 64 90nm processors are about to go flying thru the roof i hear. the low prices were only for the holidays.
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That is an exaggeration at best; there's no way the 90nm chips prices will 'fly through the roof' . CPU companies don't do "Christmas specials" and AMD still has to stay competitive.


 
i hope they have an Axp mobile @ 2.5ghz in the anand HL2 bench since thats the cpu/speed many anand Axp owners are using.
 
I find this quite amusing how some people bury the last generation technology as the next starts to take a foothold.

My Barton 2500+ @ 2.3ghz with 9800Pro is still a match for any game on the market. Reasonable performance at reasonable quality.

Granted, an A64 or 6600 and above would make my system look like a relic, it can still compete well enough to make most people happy with their current system.

I wouldnt really recommend buying an AXP system now because of the A64's prices but calling time on current AXP systems that can still perform reasonably with any game is ridiculous. I cant justify upgrading my PC if it handles what I throw at it.

The AXP is definately not dead imo.
 
Finally? Where have you been?
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=1834

Northwood C's have dominated AMD's tbred/bartons since introduction two years ago. thier only saving grace was price/performance which it still has and stengths in some benchmarks like FPU work and general use.

In general AXP * 1.25 = p4c

Meaning a 3200 which runs at 2200Mhz = 2200 * 1.25 = 2750 P4c

http://www.behardware.com/articles/510/page11.html

My 2700 * 1.25 = 3375Mhz p4c now thats a little better for $90😉
 
Originally posted by: Ahkorishaan
I'm going to hold onto my XP 2100+ a little longer, at least until mid January after the holidays, and when the prices level out and nforce4 comes around. I'm wanting my PCI-e. That 6600GT is looking very pretty as well. nice performance/price ratio in my book.
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Here here. I'm with you.
 
Originally posted by: Zebo
Finally? Where have you been?
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=1834
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Yeah good link, but that doesnt show major limitation of XP processors in gaming just yet. The games they use are old and are not very indicative of a bottleneck.

In general AXP * 1.25 = p4c

Meaning a 3200 which runs at 2200Mhz = 2200 * 1.25 = 2750 P4c
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Well apparently that's not true anymore because in 2 of the benchmarks I linked, a 2.4C is beating 3200+ and matches 3000+ in another.
 
Don't be stupid. You can't use one bench as indicative of processor performance. to get a global picture you need many, which the links I provided does for you.



Hell even your 3 combined does it with the 3200 averaging out to just what I said 2.75P4


 
Looks like my faithful 2500+ is holding me back
Ive had a 3200+ (90nm) and a AN8 Ultra along with a 6800GT on order for the last month but they delayed the nForce4 stuff till January 🙁
Should get a decent performance boost 😀

Steg
 
Originally posted by: Elcs
I find this quite amusing how some people bury the last generation technology as the next starts to take a foothold.

My Barton 2500+ @ 2.3ghz with 9800Pro is still a match for any game on the market. Reasonable performance at reasonable quality.

Granted, an A64 or 6600 and above would make my system look like a relic, it can still compete well enough to make most people happy with their current system.

I wouldnt really recommend buying an AXP system now because of the A64's prices but calling time on current AXP systems that can still perform reasonably with any game is ridiculous. I cant justify upgrading my PC if it handles what I throw at it.

The AXP is definately not dead imo.
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I couldn't of said it better......
 
Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
Very eye-opening info Russian. Fortunately many people are getting their XP-M chips to the 2.4 Ghz range, but this still shows that the XP lineup is starting to show it's age, while the P4 is aided by it's memory bandwidth and the A64 asserts itself strongly as the leader in games.

For Doom3 the 3200+ falls right about where it should: between a 2.8C and 3.0C (remember the Athlon XP nomenclature is derived for favorable competition vs the 100 MHz FSB P4's and fair competition vs the 133 MHz FSB P4's; the 200 MHz HT P4's just outclass the Athlon XP at a given rating).

Same for HL2; Athlon XP 3200+ battles it out with ~3 Ghz P4's.

World of Warcraft is a real eye-opener though; probably more memory intensive.


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Originally posted by: DaveA
Originally posted by: Ahkorishaan
I'm going to hold onto my XP 2100+ a little longer, at least until mid January after the holidays, and when the prices level out and nforce4 comes around. I'm wanting my PCI-e. That 6600GT is looking very pretty as well. nice performance/price ratio in my book.
Click to expand...

the prices on the amd 64 90nm processors are about to go flying thru the roof i hear. the low prices were only for the holidays.
Click to expand...

That is an exaggeration at best; there's no way the 90nm chips prices will 'fly through the roof' . CPU companies don't do "Christmas specials" and AMD still has to stay competitive.
Click to expand...

So when exactly are they going to "fly through the roof?"
 
One of the reasons they scaled back with the athlon and rested it at 2.2 Ghz was because they needed to make the athlon 64's look clearly better. the t-bred 2800+ ran at 2.25 ghz, the 3200+ barton ran at 2.2Ghz and also they were never ment to do battle with the 800 Mhz FSB (C'S) P4's. The hammer was over a year late, so I think AMD did an ok job of saving face.
 
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