It just hit me -- How are we ALL gonna get a E6600??

[OcHungry]

Originally posted by: zsdersw

I am neither's chipmaker's fan(boy),

Oh boy... the BS-meter is going off the scale on that one. http://americanpatrol.com/POPUPS/BS-Meter.html

LOL,your funny.
Check this Intel's PR w/ your meter:
Intel has scheduled the release of con-roe on July 14th to coincide w/ the "return of superman" in the Europe?s box office.
Intel actually wanted to name it " the return of super dud" but decided not to since it was so obvious and "uninspiring".

 

[Brahmzy]

Wow, this thread is turning into utter and complete gheyness. C'mon kids, quit bashing Conroe just because you're jealous. Hahaha!

 

[zsdersw]

Check this Intel's PR w/ your meter:
Intel has scheduled the release of con-roe on July 14th to coincide w/ the "return of superman" in the Europe?s box office.

What does that have to do with anything? Don't change the subject from your naivety to something completely different.

 

[soydios]

Intel has 300mm fabs. Several more than AMD. They can really mass produce.

Plus, who can click the fastest on Newegg. Or pony up the money for a price-gouged preorder.

 

[theteamaqua]

E6600 can do 3.6 to about 3.9GHz on tower 120 with open case .... E6700 can not doabove 4.1GHz. The return from E6700 is not worth that $200. Also when i burn E6600 $300 is not a bad price to replace.

 

[TankGuys]

Originally posted by: soydios
Intel has 300mm fabs. Several more than AMD. They can really mass produce.

Plus, who can click the fastest on Newegg. Or pony up the money for a price-gouged preorder.

Many pre-orders aren't gouging. I saw a few in the $380 range - that's bad. Just to put things into perspective though, my COST on these is $331

 

[Brahmzy]

Yeah, I wouldn't call the $339 E6600 I pre-ordered from ^^^ price gouging. I'd call it a very fair pre-order price and gladly paid it on a product like this. If you can't afford $20 over Intel's "supposed" MSRP price I'm sorry, but a lot of us don't mind paying it. Who knows what NewEgg and others will be charging at launch and how many they will have.

 

[TankGuys]

Originally posted by: Brahmzy
Yeah, I wouldn't call the $339 E6600 I pre-ordered from ^^^ price gouging. I'd call it a very fair pre-order price and gladly paid it on a product like this. If you can't afford $20 over Intel's "supposed" MSRP price I'm sorry, but a lot of us don't mind paying it. Who knows what NewEgg and others will be charging at launch and how many they will have.

Yea, there's a couple things to consider. First, our cost may likely be higher than what newegg et. al. pay since we buy in lower quantities. So yea, thier price may end up lower than ours.

However, the other important thing is that the Intel prices are, I think, for OEM chips in 10,000 unit quantities, NOT the MSRP for retail chips. I may be wrong on this though, so if I am, let me know guys 😀

I will be interested in what the other stores charge at launch day though.

 

[Duvie]

Ordered mine thru Tankguys.....I am ready to go....

Now bring me some mobos....

 

[Brahmzy]

Yes, after much digging, I found out that the $316 E6600's is for 1000 qty order pricing...so add about $20 per and we're right there. 🙂

Good stuff - glad I pre-ordered.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

wow, nice store. I'm going to bookmark it 😉

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: gersson

Originally posted by: Avalon
We won't. I'll be getting the E4200, you guys can all fight over the E6600's 😉

I don't spend over $200 for a processor, and I won't be starting now just to get some extra cache. I'll make up the performance difference one way or the other.

early benches show that the cache is part of what's making core 2 duo so fast.

Yes, but only part. The highest difference I saw was in gaming, which made up around a 10-16% difference. It's unfortunate, since my primary use on my PC is gaming, but I'm willing to live with that if I can breeze past 3Ghz on my OC. I refuse to pay an extra $200 premium for a 10-15% gaming performance boost and an OC that will probably be not much higher than the E4200 can do.

 

[Wall7486]

Notice these benchmarks were done on lower resolution gaming. We have yet to see higher res gaming benches. I think it will be more clear in the next 2 weeks.

 

[Check]

Originally posted by: Wall7486
Notice these benchmarks were done on lower resolution gaming. We have yet to see higher res gaming benches. I think it will be more clear in the next 2 weeks.

Maybe the benches were done at low resolution to stress the processor more and the graphics card less?

When you have a video game running at 1600x1200 ultra high settings AA, AF, HDR or whatever you feel like running it at, it's the graphics card that is limiting the fps more than the cpu itself, even when you are using a dual 7900GTX or X1900XTX.

Makes sense to me, hopefully there isn't anything too wrong with my logic.

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: Wall7486
Notice these benchmarks were done on lower resolution gaming. We have yet to see higher res gaming benches. I think it will be more clear in the next 2 weeks.

because low res is more CPU bound than high-res? Results would be identical on high-res, except the gap would be narrower or you should see it flatten out.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

There would be performance increase in all cpu bound games like oblivion -- especially in the cities. Amazes me to see 25 fps sometimes with my rig in cities...can't wait for conroe

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: gersson
There would be performance increase in all cpu bound games like oblivion -- especially in the cities. Amazes me to see 25 fps sometimes with my rig in cities...can't wait for conroe

I'm already getting high fps in the cities, it's the outdoors that puts a beating on my x1900xt, and I dont think a conroe will be of any help there.

 

[Conky]

I'll be getting the E6600 but not immediately. I'm hoping the price slides down a bit and want to wait for some reasonably priced motherboards too. Hopefully a pricewar breaks out and I can get the E6600 for closer to $200 by thanksgiving and a decent motherboard for under $100. I just hate paying top dollar on computer stuff these days only to see the prices drop so very quickly.

 

[essasin]

I won't be getting a E6600. I will actually be getting the best bang for the buck cpu which will most likely be AMD.

 

[Lord Banshee]

Looks like I'll wait for Quad-Core before i upgrade again. My machine is plenty fast for the time being and so there are only so many reason why i should upgrade and having 4 cores is one of them.

But I'll skip on Kentsfield, i want a single die solution ie not two conroes next to each other.

Anyway i hope to see a nice single die solution from both AMD and Intel next year, until then you guys better post all those benchmarks and reviews of your conroes 🙂

 

[Ichigo]

Obviously if you already have an AMD dual-core there's little reason to upgrade. For someone like me with a single core on S754, I'll be veerrrrrry tempted by Conroe.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: gersson

Originally posted by: Avalon
We won't. I'll be getting the E4200, you guys can all fight over the E6600's 😉

I don't spend over $200 for a processor, and I won't be starting now just to get some extra cache. I'll make up the performance difference one way or the other.

early benches show that the cache is part of what's making core 2 duo so fast.

I don't see that. I saw benches at a French site where the E6300 OCed to 2.4GHz was basically equivalent to the E6600.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: gersson
There would be performance increase in all cpu bound games like oblivion -- especially in the cities. Amazes me to see 25 fps sometimes with my rig in cities...can't wait for conroe

I'm already getting high fps in the cities, it's the outdoors that puts a beating on my x1900xt, and I dont think a conroe will be of any help there.

I'm telling you, man. When you get the same FPS with HDR+2xAA and HDR+6xAA, there's CPU limitation. The problem has to do with the NPC AI. Frame rate drops from 60 everytime they're around.

I get better FPS outdoors than indoors with NPCs.

OCed Crossfire + 2.75 Opteron 170... still get problems.

 

[mountcarlmore]

who on earth can logically complain about conroe's price? for 350 bucks, you're getting a cpu that easily beats out a fx62 at stock and has overclocking headroom up the wazoo. this is the best deal on a microprocessor in history. this isnt like the old days, when you could get a cheap chip and overclock to or a little above top of the line, this starts off above top of the line and goes quite a bit further.... too bad i already have a 170, so i have little reason to care about conroe, maybe penryn is in my future though...

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: mountcarlmore
this is the best deal on a microprocessor in history.

That remains to be seen. There were tons of notable CPUs throughout the times, such as the Celly 300A, P4 1.8A, and XP-M chips. If you're talking about Conroe in general, maybe, maybe not. If you're talking about the E6600, I'd have to disagree, since I know you're going to be paying a higher % in cash than you're gaining in speed for your apps compared to a lower end model, such as the E6300.

Then again, the multi on the E6300 sucks 😉

this isnt like the old days, when you could get a cheap chip and overclock to or a little above top of the line

Sure it is, you just need to know what to look for. For example, I had a Sempron 64 about a year and a half ago that was running at 2.7Ghz and only set me back $80. It was sometime before dual cores were out, anyway, and I don't even think the 2.8Ghz FX chip was out at that time either.

Pretty soon we'll be seeing $100 dual core overclocker's dream chips. For now, I'll still be quite happy with the impending release of the <$150 X2 3600+ and the ~$175 E4200.

Good times ahead.
🙂