IT job without a drug test possible

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Originally posted by: StormRider
I was scared as sh!t to take it because I have a tiny pee-pee and I didn't know how a urine test would work.

OK, I call BS on your entire existence.

 

[ethebubbeth]

no drug testing for my IT on campus, then again it's in the basketball stadium...

 

[cparris82]

Originally posted by: Eli
Blahblahblah...

I don't care what any of you say. Drug tests "unfairly" single out cannabis users...

That's the funniest thing I've read in a while. That's like saying murderers are discriminated against over rapists because they're given the death penalty (sometimes).

The fact of the matter is, drug users (recreational or otherwise) obviously don't care that it's against the law. And if they don't care what the law says in this instance, what assurance would an employer have that these drug users wouldn't feel the same about, say, theft, or rape, et al...?

And for those who feel as though corporations shouldn't be looking for a specific type of individual (i.e. a non-drug user), I hope you've never gone to college, or any educational institute for that matter. The main purpose of college is to mold students into individuals who would fit nicely into corporate America. This is because companies want a certain type of person. Someone who believes hard work is the only way to succeed, someone who believes success is measured in the amount of money they bring in (which usually means they're willing to work long hours if that provides large amounts of money), etc.

A lack of drug use is only one of many things that employers look for in a potential new hire. And it's definitely no different from wanting someone who hasn't gone on a killing spree, or isn't a convicted sex-offender. All of those acts are illegal, and they all show that the person has some twisted since of morality (obviously less so with drug use than with murder, but it's still there).

So, as others have said already, quit bitchin' and either take the damned test or look for a different job. If you want the benefits of corporate America, you have to be willing to fit into the mold..

 

[allisolm]

The fact of the matter is, drug users (recreational or otherwise) obviously don't care that it's against the law. And if they don't care what the law says in this instance, what assurance would an employer have that these drug users wouldn't feel the same about, say, theft, or rape, et al...?

Exactly.

 

[Brule]

I'm in the same boat Soybomb, don't smoke pot or anything but disagree with most drug testing. It's refreshing to know that there are still people who would even ask a question like that. It's your call and you wouldn't be "wrong" in taking a test or not.

The rules of business make such tests counter-intuitive. Companies hiring at minimum wage will not have the drop off of skill in employees. That's why fast food places test more often than banks, for example. Whenever an employer eliminates possible employees for non-work related reasons, they are dropping the average value of those employed. An example would be two companies, A and B. Company A doesn't hire women, blacks, drug users, brown eyed people, or the Irish. Company B hires on merits alone. The result is company B gets the best of all the excluded groups, while still competing 50-50 with the first company on the rest. Everything else the same, company B will advance and company A will dwindle. (capitalism at work)

I think you'll find that many jobs requiring higher education don't require drug tests for a reason, even more so with purely tech jobs. Legit places where such tests could be useful would be at hospitals or jobs involving "on call" time. When the power goes off at 3:00 AM, it's best the people working on it are sober. In other cases the companies or forced into testing to make the government happy. It's sad that so many have rolled over for Uncle Sam and his insane "War on Drugs".

 

[Brule]

Originally posted by: Eli
Like what?

I'm not flaming, I'm asking because I'm curious. I am sure that is true, but AFAIK cannabinoids are the only ones that will bind to fat cells, enabling positive tests up to weeks into the future. Most other drugs are metabolized out of your body extremely quickly, especially amphetamines, at least from what I understand.

It matters what you consider "quickly". Since there are thousands of chemicals with different actions there will be a few that stick around longer. Some longer acting barbituates for example. Others would be methaqualone, methadone, and some performance enhancing drugs. Still, most of these will exit the system after a week or two. Cannabis is unique in the build up. Its relative safety also means more and more can build up in the body with little in side effects. Sane people aren't popping MDMA every night.

The entire subject of drugs (including nicotine, caffine, and alcohol) is very misunderstood. I would consider someone having their brain fried with SSRIs more dangerous than a casual pot smoker. When you eliminate bias (drugs are bad OR drugs are harmless) and weigh the issue, the truth is very clear. Many things factor into someone's worth as an employee, and casual drug use is low on the list.

disclaimer: I don't use anything illegal, don't touch more than caffine (a powerful drug) except for alcohol every few weeks to a month.

 

[Brule]

Originally posted by: allisolm
The fact of the matter is, drug users (recreational or otherwise) obviously don't care that it's against the law. And if they don't care what the law says in this instance, what assurance would an employer have that these drug users wouldn't feel the same about, say, theft, or rape, et al...?

Exactly.

Wow, you're so deluded it's scary. I hope you never have children to pollute those hateful ideas with. Theft is stealing from others. Rape is assulting others. Notice the "others" in there? That implies that someone else is involved. Breaking a hateful, racist law is not the same as causing harm to others. Please become more informed on the issue before commenting on it.

 

[Geekbabe]

Wrking in a hospital means you are entrusted with securing sensitive patient data.New federal privacy regulations make breeches of patient privacy very costly. Take the test,it's no big deal.

 

[iwantanewcomputer]

smoke pot and then take the test just to stick it to the man

 

[allisolm]

Originally posted by: Brule

Originally posted by: allisolm
The fact of the matter is, drug users (recreational or otherwise) obviously don't care that it's against the law. And if they don't care what the law says in this instance, what assurance would an employer have that these drug users wouldn't feel the same about, say, theft, or rape, et al...?

Exactly.

Wow, you're so deluded it's scary. I hope you never have children to pollute those hateful ideas with. Theft is stealing from others. Rape is assulting others. Notice the "others" in there? That implies that someone else is involved. Breaking a hateful, racist law is not the same as causing harm to others. Please become more informed on the issue before commenting on it.

Wow! Not even going to touch that rant with the proverbial 10 footer. I'll just reiterate "The fact of the matter is, drug users (recreational or otherwise) obviously don't care that it's against the law."

 

[xXped0thugXx]

my boy didnt get tested for the IT dept. at ING

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: gistech1978

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Sundog
And you are talking about a "freedom" that is not federally protected in the same way as say one's political affiliation.

I thought the "innocent until proven guilty" thing only applied to the whole justice system thing.

ah, once again.
corporations trumping the 'whole justice system thing'.

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Fact _
Recreational Drug users are more likely to miss work due to illness

Fact-
Recreational Drug users are more likely to have finiacial problems

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Recreational Drug users are more likley to be assicated with "undesirables"

and the #1 is...

Recreational Drug users engage in an illegal activity.

No one is saying that you have to work there it is your choice weather or not you choose to be employed by a company that engages in such privacy invasive practices.

The bottom line is this, as a company you can get breaks on insurance cost and it makes it easier to get a bond on a person if they have passed a pre employment drug test.

And is this only pre employment? The fact is if you can not pass a KNBOW DRUG TEST that you are GIVEN PLENTY OF NOTICE IS coming you have a DRUG PROBLEM

 

[Brule]

Originally posted by: allisolm
Wow! Not even going to touch that rant with the proverbial 10 footer. I'll just reiterate "The fact of the matter is, drug users (recreational or otherwise) obviously don't care that it's against the law."

Yes, I tend to rant when the subject is something I feel so strongly about and I am sorry if I was overly touchy. I think many <generic> drug users DO care about the law, but there are burnouts who don't care about much of anything. However, it is a great mistake to assume that someone will commit a real crime just because they use some form of drugs. There is a correlation between crime and drug use, but no proven causation.

Some personalities lean toward doing risky, dumb, or criminal things. Other people can smoke weed, drink alcohol, and have a successful life. The first group may steal to feed their habit. The second group can live normal lives, living under just laws. The real question is of morallity, not law. Immoral laws should not be followed or enforced. Living a moral life is much more important than living by confused law. I consider drug laws an immoral assult not just on someone's privacy, but their liberty as well, so I obviously do care about the law. (I assume many drug users do as well)

The term "drug" is tossed around way too often. What drug is it? There are vast differences between a crack addict and a college kid dropping acid and listening to Phish. That kid may go on to become your doctor, coworker, or neighborhood cop.