It is sad...

[MrYogi]

It is really sad that most of the americans do not want to hear/see what they don't like. When the halliburton contractor was held hostage, people were sticking to their TV's and were agitated about the iraqi insurgents holding the hostage.

When something like US soldiers abusing Iraqi people including children and woman is shown on TV, we shut down the TV. We do not want to listen to the radio or read the news that talks about these abuses. It is really sad.

When you shut down your TV and close your eyes to get away from these things, imagine yourself and your close ones in the iraqi prisoner situation. how do u feel now? Do you think a simple sorry would help you get over the degradation and humiliation you suffered?

 

[tallest1]

I agree 100% except change 'we' with conservatives. As you can tell from recent threads, not only do they not want to hear about it but they want to downplay it too.

 

[maluckey]

So labels help you to sleep at night? Apparently so.

To make a blanket statement accusing an entore group responsible for crimes against humanity demeans you, and makes you seem shallow, petty and mean. In this case you imply that Conservatives support mistreatment, and abuse. That's not true for Conservatives, Liberals or most any other "group" you would like to label. Mentally unstable, or unbalanced persons might beleive that it's O.K. to treat prisoners so, but not the vast majority of people in the United States, whether Liberal, Conservative, Democrat, Repuplican, Soldier or Civilian.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: MrYogi
It is really sad that most of the americans do not want to hear/see what they don't like. When the halliburton contractor was held hostage, people were sticking to their TV's and were agitated about the iraqi insurgents holding the hostage.

When something like US soldiers abusing Iraqi people including children and woman is shown on TV, we shut down the TV. We do not want to listen to the radio or read the news that talks about these abuses. It is really sad.

When you shut down your TV and close your eyes to get away from these things, imagine yourself and your close ones in the iraqi prisoner situation. how do u feel now? Do you think a simple sorry would help you get over the degradation and humiliation you suffered?

I agree 100%, it's a national disgrace.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: MrYogi
It is really sad that most of the americans do not want to hear/see what they don't like. When the halliburton contractor was held hostage, people were sticking to their TV's and were agitated about the iraqi insurgents holding the hostage.

When something like US soldiers abusing Iraqi people including children and woman is shown on TV, we shut down the TV. We do not want to listen to the radio or read the news that talks about these abuses. It is really sad.

When you shut down your TV and close your eyes to get away from these things, imagine yourself and your close ones in the iraqi prisoner situation. how do u feel now? Do you think a simple sorry would help you get over the degradation and humiliation you suffered?

I agree 100%, it's a national disgrace.

Edit: Sorry for the DP

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: maluckey
So labels help you to sleep at night? Apparently so.

To make a blanket statement accusing an entore group responsible for crimes against humanity demeans you, and makes you seem shallow, petty and mean. In this case you imply that Conservatives support mistreatment, and abuse. That's not true for Conservatives, Liberals or most any other "group" you would like to label. Mentally unstable, or unbalanced persons might beleive that it's O.K. to treat prisoners so, but not the vast majority of people in the United States, whether Liberal, Conservative, Democrat, Repuplican, Soldier or Civilian.

I had to go back and see if the original post had been editted because I couldn't remember anything in the post that could have led to what you inferred, but it hasn't been editted. Would you mind explaining why you inferred he was talking about Conservatives?

I'm probably not as good at inferring things as you are because I thought he was referring to Americans in general.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: MrYogi
It is really sad that most of the americans do not want to hear/see what they don't like. When the halliburton contractor was held hostage, people were sticking to their TV's and were agitated about the iraqi insurgents holding the hostage.

When something like US soldiers abusing Iraqi people including children and woman is shown on TV, we shut down the TV. We do not want to listen to the radio or read the news that talks about these abuses. It is really sad.

When you shut down your TV and close your eyes to get away from these things, imagine yourself and your close ones in the iraqi prisoner situation. how do u feel now? Do you think a simple sorry would help you get over the degradation and humiliation you suffered?

Do "We" need to hear the same news 100,000 times?

 

[charrison]

Their abuses



Our abuses

Note the difference?

Also note that our soldiers that were involved in this abuses are being delt with.


Our much smaller abuses are getting far more attention.

 

[burnedout]

Do "We" need to hear the same news 100,000 times?

No. I also believe that 50 individual threads on the matter are rather excessive.

 

[Moonbeam]

When you shut down your TV and close your eyes to get away from these things, imagine yourself and your close ones in the iraqi prisoner situation. how do u feel now? Do you think a simple sorry would help you get over the degradation and humiliation you suffered?

What did Christ ask on the cross of God regarding those around him who weren't even sorry.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: charrison
Their abuses



Our abuses

Note the difference?

Also note that our soldiers that were involved in this abuses are being delt with.


Our much smaller abuses are getting far more attention.

Our abuses: See Picture 6

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: charrison
Their abuses



Our abuses

Note the difference?

Also note that our soldiers that were involved in this abuses are being delt with.


Our much smaller abuses are getting far more attention.

I don't let my 5 year old get away with this kind of reasoning. The fact that someone beats up 10 kids does not mean I will stand for MY kid beating up one.

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: charrison
Their abuses



Our abuses

Note the difference?

Also note that our soldiers that were involved in this abuses are being delt with.


Our much smaller abuses are getting far more attention.

Our abuses: See Picture 6

Im not saying that anything our soldiers did was okay but it doesnt compare to the bodies on the bridge.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: charrison
Their abuses



Our abuses

Note the difference?

Also note that our soldiers that were involved in this abuses are being delt with.


Our much smaller abuses are getting far more attention.

I don't let my 5 year old get away with this kind of reasoning. The fact that someone beats up 10 kids does not mean I will stand for MY kid beating up one.

At what point did i say our abuses were right? THey are not right and they being delt with according to the law.

 

[illustri]

the comparisons bring up a valid point to the original post, people were glued to their sets then because the situation was really so horrific, while recent abuses by our side (though wrong as well) in comparison falls short of the same shock value...

just like cars slow down more around mangled wrecks on the freeway than a fender bender

 

[fjord]

Some will never understand. Just look at how Kerry has been treated by the xenophobes with regards to his charge over 30 years ago of war crimes during Vietnam.

It takes courage and it takes integrity to admit when we are wrong.

Self-criticism is not our strong suit.
---
Kerry's subsequent words in testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on April 23, 1971, still have the power to startle, in our time of general disorientation and muted speech, with their brave candor. He described the wrong done to the Vietnam veterans but did not fail also to discuss the wrongs they had committed. "I would like," he said, "to talk on behalf of all those veterans and say that several months ago in Detroit we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged, and many very highly decorated, veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia. These were not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command.... They told stories that at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country." He added, "We call this investigation the Winter Soldier Investigation"--invoking Thomas Paine's description of the soldiers at Valley Forge. And he said, referring to the policy that had led to these crimes, "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?"

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: charrison
Their abuses



Our abuses

Note the difference?

Also note that our soldiers that were involved in this abuses are being delt with.


Our much smaller abuses are getting far more attention.

Our abuses: See Picture 6

Im not saying that anything our soldiers did was okay but it doesnt compare to the bodies on the bridge.

I will agree with this. In addition, "picture 6" is shown on that site OUT OF CONTEXT.

Why does the entire freakin' Arab world not care about the atrocity that they committed by hanging those bodies from the bridge?

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: MrYogi
It is really sad that most of the americans do not want to hear/see what they don't like. When the halliburton contractor was held hostage, people were sticking to their TV's and were agitated about the iraqi insurgents holding the hostage.

When something like US soldiers abusing Iraqi people including children and woman is shown on TV, we shut down the TV. We do not want to listen to the radio or read the news that talks about these abuses. It is really sad.

When you shut down your TV and close your eyes to get away from these things, imagine yourself and your close ones in the iraqi prisoner situation. how do u feel now? Do you think a simple sorry would help you get over the degradation and humiliation you suffered?

Do "We" need to hear the same news 100,000 times?

Turn off your TV.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: charrison
Their abuses



Our abuses

Note the difference?

Also note that our soldiers that were involved in this abuses are being delt with.


Our much smaller abuses are getting far more attention.

Our abuses: See Picture 6

Im not saying that anything our soldiers did was okay but it doesnt compare to the bodies on the bridge.

I will agree with this. In addition, "picture 6" is shown on that site OUT OF CONTEXT.

Why does the entire freakin' Arab world not care about the atrocity that they committed by hanging those bodies from the bridge?

How is #6 out of context?

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: charrison
Their abuses



Our abuses

Note the difference?

Also note that our soldiers that were involved in this abuses are being delt with.


Our much smaller abuses are getting far more attention.

Our abuses: See Picture 6

Im not saying that anything our soldiers did was okay but it doesnt compare to the bodies on the bridge.

I will agree with this. In addition, "picture 6" is shown on that site OUT OF CONTEXT.

Why does the entire freakin' Arab world not care about the atrocity that they committed by hanging those bodies from the bridge?

Yeah, what are 10,000 Iraqi civilians (slaughtered for their own good) compared to 4 highly paid mercenaries? We could have just left them the fock alone.

 

[burnedout]

How is #6 out of context?

Picture #6 is of a dead prisoner. Ice is used to apparently slow decomposition. Still, except for official usage, the chain of command should have forbade pictures of detainees or KIA in the first place.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: burnedout

How is #6 out of context?

Picture #6 is of a dead prisoner. Ice is used to apparently slow decomposition. Still, except for official usage, the chain of command should have forbade pictures of detainees or KIA in the first place.

Ah, so this is actually proper care of body, as apposed to burning it and hanging to from a bridge?

 

[arsbanned]

THey are not right and they being delt with according to the law.

They are? They would have been swept under the rug and the practice continued had the news not gotten out to the World., IMO.

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: arsbanned

THey are not right and they being delt with according to the law.

They are? They would have been swept under the rug and the practice continued had the news not gotten out to the World., IMO.

Bullcrap. Read the AR 15-6 investigation and stop spreading propaganda. Punitive measures were begun in February and continue to this day.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: charrison
Their abuses



Our abuses

Note the difference?

Also note that our soldiers that were involved in this abuses are being delt with.


Our much smaller abuses are getting far more attention.

Our abuses: See Picture 6

Picture 1 - intro
Picture 2 - could be faked...is it really a prisoner?
Picture 3 - recently captured I bet...still picture shouldnt be taken
Picture 4 - what the hell are these people thinking?
Picture 5 - again, what the hell are they thinking?
Picture 6 - whats the story with the pic? Could there be a valid reason for this...you know coroners take pics of the dead all of the time..so could be valid reason.

Also, I would assume that these people are strip searched...by the soldiers wearing rubber gloves do they have to do a "cavitity search" for possible weapons/explosions?

I am not trying to excuse any of the illegal activity by these people but there has to be some valid things that led these people to cross the line.