It is possible that Democrats will gain, not lose in November. Here's why/how.

[kage69]

it looks like the repubs didnt pay that heavy of a price for overturning roe v wade. 🙁

Yeah I too am perplexed by how you got that conclusion.

Don't be sad. Senate Dem incumbents pulled of a perfect (and unheard of) 14-0 in the midterms! Neither party has had such a turnout and since 1934.

GQP paid through the nose for Roe v Wade, and the bill isn't even close to being settled. Team Treason is petrified about the future for many reasons, their only hope is partisan perjurers on the SCOTUS completely destroying future elections with ISL.

 

[zinfamous]

Yeah I too am perplexed by how you got that conclusion.

Don't be sad. Senate Dem incumbents pulled of a perfect (and unheard of) 14-0 in the midterms! Neither party has had such a turnout and since 1934.

GQP paid through the nose for Roe v Wade, and the bill isn't even close to being settled. Team Treason is petrified about the future for many reasons, their only hope is partisan perjurers on the SCOTUS completely destroying future elections with ELT.

Also state by state ballot measures, even in deep red states where the GQP fascists thought they had the moral high ground, are shoving Roe v Wade back in their faces.

This is upsetting them so much that GQP state legislators are now attacking the idea of ballot measures and making it more difficult to qualify them for elections. Simply yet another example that when democracy rejects Republican policy, Republicans abandon democracy altogether and show zero shame for stomping all over their own voters.

Ballot measures on weed and abortion won in 2022. Now they're fueling a backlash

Right-leaning states moved to make ballot measures tougher to pass after success of voter initiatives on abortion rights, marijuana and Medicaid expansion. That's led to pushback from state lawmakers.

www.npr.org

 

[kage69]

I mean, look at Trump now. Does that look like the behavior or media victory lap of someone riding high on good fortunes? The Russian asset/state secret vendor is in hiding, sulking. No one wants to interview him or go to his rallies, his support in D.C continues to evaporate. The money has already moved on to DeSantis. Now that enough talking heads have repeated the baggage and election score talking points, right wing voters seem to be slowly doing the same.

Everyone but the most rabid of magats gets it, what danger they're in, what it means when you get that kind of an asskicking in a midterm. To compound the coming Gen Z problem, current conservative voters are dying at faster rates than Dems while proving they are just fine voting for Dems over Rs infected with maga.

GenX here, and I continue to look forward to voting an all (D) ballot until Team Treason and the christofascists are removed as threats to democracy and personal liberty. The last election in particular has given me some new hope. Let's keep it rollin peoples!

 

[JEDI]

Yeah I too am perplexed by how you got that conclusion.

Don't be sad. Senate Dem incumbents pulled of a perfect (and unheard of) 14-0 in the midterms! Neither party has had such a turnout and since 1934.

GQP paid through the nose for Roe v Wade, and the bill isn't even close to being settled. Team Treason is petrified about the future for many reasons, their only hope is partisan perjurers on the SCOTUS completely destroying future elections with ELT.

i guess the repub calculations for overturning roe v wade had them still gaining the House.
so not much of a cost to them in doing so.
yes, it's a smaller majority but the effect is still the same.. impeding biden's agenda.
so losing a few house seats is a small price paid in my view for a huge victory for them.

a heavy price paid, in my opinion, would be the repubs NOT gaining control of the house and the dems steamrolling the repubs on bills passed during 2022-2024.

if the repubs lose the next 4+ presidential elections because of RvW, then yes that would be a heavy price.
but right now, losing a few seats yet still able to stop biden's agenda cold is not.

 

[Roger Wilco]

i guess the repub calculations for overturning roe v wade had them still gaining the House.
so not much of a cost to them in doing so.
yes, it's a smaller majority but the effect is still the same.. impeding biden's agenda.
so losing a few house seats is a small price paid in my view for a huge victory for them.

a heavy price paid, in my opinion, would be the repubs NOT gaining control of the house and the dems steamrolling the repubs on bills passed during 2022-2024.

if the repubs lose the next 4+ presidential elections because of RvW, then yes that would be a heavy price.
but right now, losing a few seats yet still able to stop biden's agenda cold is not.

Still can’t tell if serious

 

[JEDI]

House speaker clown circus update:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/02/politics/mccarthy-house-speaker-fight-gop

mccarthy has a slim 4 vote margin and there are 5 repubs on record saying they'll vote against him.

And what will happen if he can’t get 218 votes? No one knows. 😱

The last time a vote for speaker had to go to multiple ballots was in 1923. And the longest time in history it took to elect a speaker lasted two months, with a total of 133 ballots.

and mccarthy still cant get 218 votes:

McCarthy says hardliners 'have not moved' in opposition to speaker's bid and could put GOP agenda 'in jeopardy' | CNN Politics

House GOP Leader Kevin McCarthy said Friday that five conservative hardliners have not budged in their opposition to his speaker's bid, offering dire warnings that their hard-fought Republican majority could be derailed if they don't bend.

www.cnn.com

those 5 repubs still oppose him.
house new session starts jan 3 which is 3 weeks away

/popcorn

hm.. interesting.. if there's no new speaker, does that mean the committees investigating trump can still do work until they are disbanded?

 

[ondma]

i guess the repub calculations for overturning roe v wade had them still gaining the House.
so not much of a cost to them in doing so.
yes, it's a smaller majority but the effect is still the same.. impeding biden's agenda.
so losing a few house seats is a small price paid in my view for a huge victory for them.

a heavy price paid, in my opinion, would be the repubs NOT gaining control of the house and the dems steamrolling the repubs on bills passed during 2022-2024.

if the repubs lose the next 4+ presidential elections because of RvW, then yes that would be a heavy price.
but right now, losing a few seats yet still able to stop biden's agenda cold is not.

Well, one could argue that without R v W decision, the Repubs would have taken control of both the Senate and the House, as well as winning more governorships and other state/local offices. Not sure I agree with that, but that is the thinking of those who say the Repubs paid a high price for the decision. If one really looks closely, the thing that really seems to have hurt the Repubs is the election deniers and just plain lousy candidates (ahem... Herschel, Kari Lake, Dr. Oz).

 

[eelw]

and mccarthy still cant get 218 votes:

McCarthy says hardliners 'have not moved' in opposition to speaker's bid and could put GOP agenda 'in jeopardy' | CNN Politics

House GOP Leader Kevin McCarthy said Friday that five conservative hardliners have not budged in their opposition to his speaker's bid, offering dire warnings that their hard-fought Republican majority could be derailed if they don't bend.

www.cnn.com

those 5 repubs still oppose him.
house new session starts jan 3 which is 3 weeks away

/popcorn

hm.. interesting.. if there's no new speaker, does that mean the committees investigating trump can still do work until they are disbanded?

Imagine if they can’t elect a speaker for the entire term

 

[JEDI]

Imagine if they can’t elect a speaker for the entire term

does that mean the committees stay as they are? (with most of them dem controlled)
with the newly elected house members being committee less till a speaker is chosen?

 

[eelw]

does that mean the committees stay as they are? (with most of them dem controlled)
with the newly elected house members being committee less till a speaker is chosen?

No everything is scraped each term. But is there anything that the speaker controls when forming committees? Committee seats are allocated based full house percentage

 

[JEDI]

Weekly update:
McCarthy still doesnt have the votes.

Hm.. Does McCarthy actually need 218 or just a majority of people who show up on Speaker vote day (Jan 3, 2023)?

 

[eelw]

Weekly update:
McCarthy still doesnt have the votes.

Hm.. Does McCarthy actually need 218 or just a majority of people who show up on Speaker vote day (Jan 3, 2023)?

Lol the spineless one better hope it’s 218 and not just a majority present. Dems can pull out the rug from under him otherwise

 

[JEDI]

A dem has come out saying he's confident McCarthy has votes to be Speaker 🙁

Hoyer confident McCarthy has votes to be Speaker

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) on Sunday said he would be “surprised” if House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) does not have enough votes to bec…

thehill.com

After all the sucking, swallowing and lube used the past few months, I wonder what McCarthy did to change the mind's of 1 of the 5 Repubs that vowed not to vote for him? 😱

 

[sportage]

When McCarthy stands there waiting for Pelosi to hand him the gavel I think Nancy should just refuse. Keep a tight grip on that wooden mallet and just say no.... no... its mine. You're not going to get it.
After all, isn't that the way it's done these days?
Trump denied elections, McCarthy denied Joe Biden and still does, most of the republican house who are about to take over denied Joe Biden. And Kari Lake still refuses to concede.

Why, WHY is it that democrats always end up respectful of how the game is played while republicans just thumb their nose? Republicans refuse elections, they refuse to testify at hearings, they refuse to obey subpoenas, they refuse to play the game and abide by the rules. Refuse to even respect the rules. Republicans shake their fist at democracy, at the rule of law and abiding by the US constitution. So again I ask, why should Nancy Pelosi hand over that gavel?
Instead, Nancy needs to run off to some lawyer, get an injunction halting the entire process, exactly as the republicans do. Tie the transition process up in the courts for three years. I would... Nancy should.

House democrats should stand there and shout KEEP THAt GAVEL... KEEP THAT GAVEL... KEEP THAT GAVEL...

 

[JEDI]

Trump denied elections, McCarthy denied Joe Biden and still does, most of the republican house who are about to take over denied Joe Biden. And Kari Lake still refuses to concede.

Why, WHY is it that democrats always end up respectful of how the game is played while republicans just thumb their nose?

Repubs are doing Machiavelli. (His book offers advice on how to stay in power.)
Dems are doing a HORRIBLE job of countering Machiavelli for the past decade. 🙁

 

[JEDI]

A dem has come out saying he's confident McCarthy has votes to be Speaker 🙁

Hoyer confident McCarthy has votes to be Speaker

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) on Sunday said he would be “surprised” if House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) does not have enough votes to bec…

thehill.com

After all the sucking, swallowing and lube used the past few months, I wonder what McCarthy did to change the mind's of 1 of the 5 Repubs that vowed not to vote for him? 😱

Update:

CNN - Breaking News, Latest News and Videos

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lite.cnn.com

'But McCarthy could not say whether he would have the votes for the speakership, even after giving in to some of the right's most hardline demands. '


oh wow 😱
# Clown Circus Jan 3
<popcorn>

 

[uclaLabrat]

When McCarthy stands there waiting for Pelosi to hand him the gavel I think Nancy should just refuse. Keep a tight grip on that wooden mallet and just say no.... no... its mine. You're not going to get it.
After all, isn't that the way it's done these days?
Trump denied elections, McCarthy denied Joe Biden and still does, most of the republican house who are about to take over denied Joe Biden. And Kari Lake still refuses to concede.

Why, WHY is it that democrats always end up respectful of how the game is played while republicans just thumb their nose? Republicans refuse elections, they refuse to testify at hearings, they refuse to obey subpoenas, they refuse to play the game and abide by the rules. Refuse to even respect the rules. Republicans shake their fist at democracy, at the rule of law and abiding by the US constitution. So again I ask, why should Nancy Pelosi hand over that gavel?
Instead, Nancy needs to run off to some lawyer, get an injunction halting the entire process, exactly as the republicans do. Tie the transition process up in the courts for three years. I would... Nancy should.

House democrats should stand there and shout KEEP THAt GAVEL... KEEP THAT GAVEL... KEEP THAT GAVEL...

Because they have different fucking constituencies, duh.

If dems could cater to the lowest fucking denominator and win elections, they would...but they cant, so they dont.

Fuck.

 

[CHADBOGA]

Trump's take on the mid-terms

https://twitter.com/x/status/1609767289225908226

 

[eelw]

Well he’s right about the dog finally catching the car. But he fails on his 233-20 record. The ones he most pushed for all basically lost. The others are in solid red districts. If his lose record were to increase, house wouldn’t have flipped.

 

[fskimospy]

Well he’s right about the dog finally catching the car. But he fails on his 233-20 record. The ones he most pushed for all basically lost. The others are in solid red districts. If his lose record were to increase, house wouldn’t have flipped.

Yes, Trump endorsements are almost a guaranteed loss in any competitive race.

Regardless it’s funny that he is so insecure that every time he loses yet another election he furiously spins around in all directions trying to convince people it wasn’t his fault.

It was his fault - he’s very bad at politics.

 

[soundforbjt]

Trump's take on the mid-terms

https://twitter.com/x/status/1609767289225908226

If every single pro-lifer in the U S voted for trump he’d still have lost, there aren’t that many pro-lifers in the country.

 

[CHADBOGA]

If every single pro-lifer in the U S voted for trump he’d still have lost, there aren’t that many pro-lifers in the country.

Depends on how you define pro-life.

Abortion

With respect to the abortion issue, would you consider yourself to be pro-choice or pro-life? Do you think abortions should be legal under any circumstances, legal only under certain circumstances, or illegal in all circumstances?

news.gallup.com

Gallup has support for Abortions without any restrictions at 35% and Abortion illegal in all circumstances at 13%

So if there were abortion laws that allowed for abortion for incest and rape and didn't allow for 3rd trimester abortions, that may well be something that would get over 50% support.

 

[MrSquished]

Depends on how you define pro-life.

Abortion

With respect to the abortion issue, would you consider yourself to be pro-choice or pro-life? Do you think abortions should be legal under any circumstances, legal only under certain circumstances, or illegal in all circumstances?

news.gallup.com

Gallup has support for Abortions without any restrictions at 35% and Abortion illegal in all circumstances at 13%

So if there were abortion laws that allowed for abortion for incest and rape and didn't allow for 3rd trimester abortions, that may well be something that would get over 50% support.

Why are you posting here when you literally made a claim about a thread that exists right here in this forum, but refuse to go back and quote anything in it to backup your point?

Why do you have such an issue with facts?

 

[soundforbjt]

Depends on how you define pro-life.

Abortion

With respect to the abortion issue, would you consider yourself to be pro-choice or pro-life? Do you think abortions should be legal under any circumstances, legal only under certain circumstances, or illegal in all circumstances?

news.gallup.com

Gallup has support for Abortions without any restrictions at 35% and Abortion illegal in all circumstances at 13%

So if there were abortion laws that allowed for abortion for incest and rape and didn't allow for 3rd trimester abortions, that may well be something that would get over 50% support.

One very narrowly specific poll does not validate your claim. Most Polls showed only around 30% supported the Roe v Wade reversal. Also, do you have any polls you can show me what percentage of pro-lifers voted for Biden instead of trump?

 

[fskimospy]

Depends on how you define pro-life.

Abortion

With respect to the abortion issue, would you consider yourself to be pro-choice or pro-life? Do you think abortions should be legal under any circumstances, legal only under certain circumstances, or illegal in all circumstances?

news.gallup.com

Gallup has support for Abortions without any restrictions at 35% and Abortion illegal in all circumstances at 13%

So if there were abortion laws that allowed for abortion for incest and rape and didn't allow for 3rd trimester abortions, that may well be something that would get over 50% support.

The polling is pretty clear. No restrictions is much more popular than a full ban but support generally starts extremely high and declines as the pregnancy progresses.

The majority lands at, you guessed it, feral viability, exactly what Roe protected.

We just had an election where republicans had the worst midterm performance in a generation because America hates their views on abortion. If you want to delude yourself otherwise then enjoy continued losses.