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'It is not too late for today's children'

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Jan. 25, 2005 0:39 | Updated Jan. 25, 2005 0:53
'It is not too late for today's children'
By URIEL HEILMAN


Nobel laureate Elie Wiesel joined world leaders on Monday in asking whether the United Nations is ready to prevent a future genocide, as the UN General Assembly convened a first-of-its-kind session to mark the 60th anniversary of the liberation of the Nazi concentration camps.

"We know that for the dead it is too late," Wiesel said of the Holocaust's victims. "But it is not too late for today's children, ours and yours. It is for their sake alone that we bear witness."

"The Jewish witness that I am speaks of my people's suffering as a warning," Wiesel said. "He sounds the alarm to prevent these tragedies from being done to others. And yes, I am convinced if the world had listened to those of us who tried to speak we may have prevented Darfur, Cambodia, Bosnia and naturally Rwanda."

For several hours, representatives of the UN's member states ? including many Arab countries ? sat and listened as speaker after speaker ascended the podium to talk about the horrors of the camps, the Allied victory over Nazi fascism and the need to never again let genocidal campaigns go unanswered.

The special session was scheduled earlier this month after a majority of the world body's 191 members voiced their support for a first-ever commemoration of the Holocaust, in the form of a session marking the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz.

The session was part of a week or so filled with Holocaust commemorations, including the official opening of an exhibit on Auschwitz situated just inside the entrance to the UN building and co-sponsored by Yad Vashem in Jerusalem. The UN was founded in the wake of World War II, partly to ensure that no such horror could ever again take place.

Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom said the lessons of the Holocaust are crucial today because Jews and other minorities are again being subjected to some of the same xenophobic sentiments that gave rise to Nazism.

"It is not too late to recommit ourselves to the purposes for which the United Nations was founded," Shalom said. "The brutal extermination of a people began not with guns or tanks, but with words systematically portraying the Jews and others as not legitimate, less than human."

Shalom switched from English to Hebrew at the end of his speech to swear, in the name of the victims, the survivors and the Jewish people, that a Holocaust of the Jews would never again be allowed to take place.

Other speakers at the special session included German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer and representatives of Poland, the European Union and Russia.

Monday's special session also served another purpose: to give nations an opportunity to justify everything from Russia's crackdowns on local skinheads to US interventionism in the Middle East ? all in the name of the victims of the Holocaust.
"War is not something Americans seek," said US Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, who is Jewish. "Peaceful nations cannot close their eyes and stand idly by in the face of evil."
Paraphrasing Wiesel's remarks from earlier in the day, Wolfowitz said, "Neutrality is a sin."

Several speakers brought up the 1994 genocide in Rwanda, the campaign of ethnic cleansing in Bosnia, and the ongoing violence in the Darfur region of Sudan as examples of the UN falling short of its commitment to protect people from genocide.

"Terrible things are happening today in Darfur, Sudan," UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan told the assembly. "All that is needed for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing," he said, quoting the late philosopher Edmund Burke.

For many Jewish and Israeli officials, the mere fact that the UN had agreed to hold a special session on Auschwitz ? and in the great hall in which Israel is so often vilified ? constituted a significant triumph.

"Maybe they're trying to correct the damage the United Nations did, not only to the Jews but to the world at large, to call Zionism racism," said Roman Kent, chairman of American Gathering of Jewish Holocaust Survivors, referring to the infamous 1975 UN resolution equating Zionism with racism. That resolution was invalidated in 1991.

Kent said he met last week with Annan and his wife, Nane, a niece of Raoul Wallenberg ? the Swedish diplomat who saved thousands of Jews during the Nazi era ? for nearly an hour after the opening of the UN exhibit on Auschwitz.

Israel's ambassador to the UN, Dan Gillerman, told The Jerusalem Post, "This is no doubt a very major achievement for the Israeli Foreign Ministry as well as for Israel, but this goes far beyond that. This is not an Israeli event. This is a universal event.

"The Holocaust and the Second World War are really the raisons d'etre that this organization exists," Gillerman said.




As I ponder this article, I think of what Zarqawi had to say in his last video tape:
DUBAI, Jan 23 (AFP) - Al-Qaeda's frontman in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, on Sunday declared war on the elections which he said were aimed at bringing the country under Shiite control, in an audiotape posted on an Islamist website.

Next Sunday's polls are a "wicked trap aimed at putting the Rafidha (a derogatory term for Shiite Muslims) in the seat of power in Iraq," said the voice attributed to Zarqawi.

"[/b]Four million Rafidhi have been brought in from Iran to take part in the elections so that they realize their aim of taking most seats in the atheist (national) assembly[/b]... For these and other reasons, we have declared all-out war on this wicked course,"

Then I ask myself;

If Left to their own devices, would the Sunni Muslims have purged Iraq of the shiite Muslims? Did the US open a can of worms or simply put a lid on a can that was already open?



 
All the commie genocides, Stalin, China, and the Khmer Rouge were all anti-religion. I think they account for more deaths than religious genocides in the past 100 years.
 
Originally posted by: Jadow
All the commie genocides, Stalin, China, and the Khmer Rouge were all anti-religion. I think they account for more deaths than religious genocides in the past 100 years.

Most genocides are religious (or 'anti-religious' which I would call the same thing) Some I suppose are more racially or culturally based than based in religion though.
 
Well it sure seems like the Israeli destruction of Palestine has religious motives...

yeah, protecting themseves from unwavering scum who has a stated goal of destroying the jewish state. I say turn the whole west bank and gaza into a glass factory.
 
Originally posted by: Jadow
Well it sure seems like the Israeli destruction of Palestine has religious motives...

yeah, protecting themseves from unwavering scum who has a stated goal of destroying the jewish state. I say turn the whole west bank and gaza into a glass factory.

ahh... two groups bent on destroying each other, and you can pick one side that is blameless? As Steven Tyler would say:

"Mister, you're a better man than I".
 
Originally posted by: Jadow
Well it sure seems like the Israeli destruction of Palestine has religious motives...

yeah, protecting themseves from unwavering scum who has a stated goal of destroying the jewish state. I say turn the whole west bank and gaza into a glass factory.

I'm thinking they care less about the jewish state and more about the fact that their country is being colonized and divided.
 
I'm thinking they care less about the jewish state and more about the fact that their country is being colonized and divided.

their country? Yo, Moses found it first and his peeps were all jewish.
 
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: Jadow
Well it sure seems like the Israeli destruction of Palestine has religious motives...

yeah, protecting themseves from unwavering scum who has a stated goal of destroying the jewish state. I say turn the whole west bank and gaza into a glass factory.

ahh... two groups bent on destroying each other, and you can pick one side that is blameless? As Steven Tyler would say:

"Mister, you're a better man than I".

Yeah, I don't know about that...it's either genocide or it's not, the reasons don't change that.
 
Originally posted by: Jadow
I'm thinking they care less about the jewish state and more about the fact that their country is being colonized and divided.

their country? Yo, Moses found it first and his peeps were all jewish.

Do you want to get the canaanites in on this too? The Jews weren't the first people to settle there. In any case, there's no genetic connection between the people who lived in Palestine then and the European jews who are now colonizing Palestine.
 
Originally posted by: Jadow
All the commie genocides, Stalin, China, and the Khmer Rouge were all anti-religion. I think they account for more deaths than religious genocides in the past 100 years.

I think you're wrong, and "pro-religious" genocide certainly has a longer tradition.

In any case, you're drawing a very fine line. How much difference is there in "I'm killing you because you're Christian and I'm an atheist" and "I'm killing you because you're a Christian and I'm a Muslim"?
 
All the commie genocides, Stalin, China, and the Khmer Rouge were all anti-religion. I think they account for more deaths than religious genocides in the past 100 years.

no, they were about religious as it gets. they held to a religious dogma. a holy book. an unquestionable holy book which they would kill you over if you spoke out against it.
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Well it sure seems like the Israeli destruction of Palestine has religious motives...

WOW another ingenious post

Palestinian radicals want to drive the Jews into the sea!!! They want to obliterate the Jewish state if they ever could

Israel has no intentions of destroying the Palestinians,

Infohawk, please be serious here for a moment.

All your posts are nothing but pure hatred for religion, USA, Israel and nothing but praise for the Arab/Muslim nations.

I mean cmon, Israel wants to destroy Palestine? In another thread you stated the land Israel is on is Palestine, so why would they destroy themselves? Please use some logic.

 
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Well it sure seems like the Israeli destruction of Palestine has religious motives...

WOW another ingenious post

Palestinian radicals want to drive the Jews into the sea!!! They want to obliterate the Jewish state if they ever could

Israel has no intentions of destroying the Palestinians,

Infohawk, please be serious here for a moment.

All your posts are nothing but pure hatred for religion, USA, Israel and nothing but praise for the Arab/Muslim nations.

I mean cmon, Israel wants to destroy Palestine? In another thread you stated the land Israel is on is Palestine, so why would they destroy themselves? Please use some logic.

You're about as realistic as someone saying the Palestinians don't have blood on their hands.

Check this documentary:
http://www.channel4.com/news/2...ches_killing_zone.html

Oh, and don't try whining that it's 'probably funded by Islamist extremists', as it's far from that. It's one of the major TV stations in England.
 
well its practically a puff piece considering that it just lists "palestinians" instead of splitting up the numbers of civs and gunmen. or mentioning how the deaths are disproportionatly men...for the palestinians. i wonder why.😛 the palestinians play the numbers game. indoctrinate youth with hatred and wish for martyres death from day one, and then have them run around tanks. add gunmen.. cross fire.. improvised explosives, palestinian terrorists hiding amoung civies..and yay! lots of palestinians die.... its win win, blame palestinian deaths on israel, and kill israelis. why stop😛 http://www.ict.org.il/articles...edet.cfm?articleid=439

not to mention its damn obvious how biased the bit is when they mention the f16's and such. if the israelis were not trying to minimize casualties do you think the numbers would be that low? put it this way, if you march soldiers into narrow streets full of IEDS and gunmen to apprehend a terrorist leader how much worse do you think it would be than a precision bomb? not to mention they sometimes do send ground troops, a risk they wouldn't take if they just wanted to kill some random people. its the fundamental difference in mindset. palestinians maxmize casualties with no regard to civilians, israel does not.


and rachal corrie? http://www.omjp.org/Feb1503GazaReuters.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/cfj/.P...hel-corrie-flag-02.jpg
 
do the aborted fetuses count from China's 1 child left behind act?

they are infantcided away in the name of Population Control 🙁
 
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
well its practically a puff piece considering that it just lists "palestinians" instead of splitting up the numbers of civs and gunmen. or mentioning how the deaths are disproportionatly men...for the palestinians. i wonder why.😛 the palestinians play the numbers game. indoctrinate youth with hatred and wish for martyres death from day one, and then have them run around tanks. add gunmen.. cross fire.. improvised explosives, palestinian terrorists hiding amoung civies..and yay! lots of palestinians die.... its win win, blame palestinian deaths on israel, and kill israelis. why stop😛 http://www.ict.org.il/articles...edet.cfm?articleid=439

not to mention its damn obvious how biased the bit is when they mention the f16's and such. if the israelis were not trying to minimize casualties do you think the numbers would be that low? put it this way, if you march soldiers into narrow streets full of IEDS and gunmen to apprehend a terrorist leader how much worse do you think it would be than a precision bomb? not to mention they sometimes do send ground troops, a risk they wouldn't take if they just wanted to kill some random people. its the fundamental difference in mindset. palestinians maxmize casualties with no regard to civilians, israel does not.


and rachal corrie? http://www.omjp.org/Feb1503GazaReuters.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/cfj/.P...hel-corrie-flag-02.jpg

:thumbsup:
 
I guess the ultimate form of Genocide, Abortion, is based on religion also. Those dirty Religious Abortion activists are just a pile of hypocrites.

I guess the killing of people in the Dafir ? spell region of the Sudan are being killed for religions reasons also.
 
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