It Feels Like Louisiana Is Being Sacrificed

[Zorba]

Right! Because doubling the number of porn & meth addicts overseeing oil drilling operations would have for sure 100% prevented the explosion!

So because there was one meth addict, they must all be meth addicts, right? Wingnut logic = fail.

 

[JSt0rm]

So because there was one meth addict, they must all be meth addicts, right? Wingnut logic = fail.

They love shit like that. They will be talking about meth head government workers for 10 years now...

 

[Darwin333]

I'm just frustrated that the part of the country is most pro-big oil, anti-federal government, and pro-states' rights is yet again the most dependent on federal money and wouldn't be in this situation with stronger government regulations that it generally opposed, yet won't even admit that.


BTW, yes "you coonasses" includes the big oil companies in Houston. Have you been to Houston?

I go to Houston yearly, you obviously don't know what a coonass is.

Do you really think that stronger regulation would have prevented this from occurring when the regulators are in bed with those they are regulating? Additionally, I don't know many people who are for all those things you listed that don't believe the Federal government should have a strong role in responding to emergencies that are well beyond that abilities of the local or state governments. Thats one of the things most of them think the Feds should do well so I still fail to see your point.

What states rights issue are we talking about? None of the affected states had any right or ability to prevent the lease from occurring and they had no right or ability to regulate the activity that took place on the leased land. The oil is not leaking from any land owned by any state. It is leaking from Federal land that the Federal government leased to a private organization for the expressed intent to drill for oil.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

If yall would just give up the voodo God wouldn't have to punish you with poverty, hurricaines and oil spills Pat Robertson told me so

 

[Darwin333]

Jindal has to appear like he's doing something, even if that something is going to take 6-9 months to do according to his own estimates. And even then, he doesn't know whether its going to do the job or just get washed away.

What if getting 5% of it done would prevent 50% of the oil from entering the most fragile wetlands?

And of course we don't know if its going to work, we don't know if any of the things we are doing are going to work. We do know that it will be damn near impossible to clean the marshes and wetlands once they get severely oiled though.

So do nothing = guarantee the destruction of the marshes/wetlands
Waiting = guarantee the destruction of the marshes/wetlands

So what exactly is your solution that is better than Jindal's?

 

[Darwin333]

If yall would just give up the voodo God wouldn't have to punish you with poverty, hurricaines and oil spills Pat Robertson told me so

Damnit, I thought it was the gays? We were talking about kicking the gays out but now its the voodoo queens? Man, them are some creepy folk, not sure if I would wanna piss them off.

 

[Darwin333]

I totally agree 110%

So dumbfuck politicians in the 1950s mean that we should continue getting a fucked up deal today?

 

[werepossum]

If the Feds would have given us our fair share of offshore oil revenue, revenue that other states already enjoy, we could have rebuilt our wetlands which would have minimized the affects of the hurricanes. If the Federal Government hadn't cut corners and screwed the pooch when THEY built the levees Katrina would have been a non-issue for most of Louisiana (the far southern regions actually got hit with the storm, NOLA dodged a bullet till the levees broke, and the east was fucked by a FEDERAL navigation channel that was largely unnecessary and acted as a funnel for the water pushed by the hurricane).

Now the FEDERAL government leases land in the gulf to BP. BP drills for oil in which the FEDERAL government will profit from. The FEDERAL regulators fail to ensure that their own rules are followed and allows BP to screw the pooch, again on land leased from the FEDERAL government.

Now that Louisiana is paying the price for actions that the FEDERAL government intended to profit from and Louisiana had no part (or say) in, you have the nerve to say "Ah I see, now the Deep South is begging for the government's help."

On behalf of the state and the people that provide ONE THIRD of your oil and gas, energy that the rest of the country quite literally can not live without, I would like to simply say FUCK YOU .

We are getting real damned tired of this "Louisiana begging" bullshit. There is a ton of talk amongst the shrimpers and the fishermen to start a blockade of all that stuff we supply that the rest of the country seems to take for granted. Lets see what your saying when they shut down tanker traffic to the LOOP and the close down the River and the ports north of them. It would take a hellofa lot more than the Coast Guard to deal with a ton of pissed off Coonasses I can guarantee you that.

Personally, I wish for nothing more than Jindal to stop "begging" for help. I hope he posts Nat. Guard at the LOOP and simply turns the spigot off. I would enjoy nothing more than watching you bastards beg for a change and beg you will. Lets see how far your civics go when there is no gas to be found. Lets see how well you do when a substantial amount of your nat gas (and tons of other petrochemicals) vanishes in an instant. Commerce in this country will damn near grind to a halt in the matter of days. We hold all the cards in this game and we are about to start acting like it, with or without the assistance of the state government.

Yall keep fucking with us, those boys down in Dularge, Chauvin, Laffite (Barataria Bay), Grand Isle, Port Fourchon, Venice/Buras and the rest of the bayou towns don't play around when you back them into a corner. The Federal government was a complicit partner in the actions that have led to fucking up/potentially fucking up waters they have worked on for 100s of years. Our Parish presidents have put forth plans to protect their coasts for weeks now and no one is listening, not BP and not the Federal government. Yall keep on pushing ya hear, those coonasses will push back real soon and when they do YOU will be the ones begging and you won't be able to do a damned thing about it. Hell, you can't even get your ships up the river without those coonasses piloting the ship.

Damned well said, congrats.

 

[JSt0rm]

lol. retard rampage.

 

[werepossum]

Guaranteeing that the Federal government will reimburse state and local governments of any costs they incur fighting the spill and THEY can go after BP for the money.

Putting a "point man" with huge steel balls on the ground that has the ability to make decisions on the spot. (Like General Honere during Katrina)

Putting a boot on the necks of the other big oil companies in the region to offer any and all assistance they are able and guaranteeing them they won't be sued for it.

Push Congress to give Louisiana its fair share of revenue collected from Federal leases off the Louisiana coast like all other states enjoy so that we can rebuild our disappearing (long before the spill, drastically moreso now) coastline.

Kick the COE square in the fucking nuts, fire a few people and the head of whoever is in charge of operations down here report directly to him daily.

just to name a few off the top of my head. Unfortunately, I am not one of those that thinks Obama doesn't care or he is intentionally fucking this all up so I might not be the best to ask but the above would be nice.

This is why I say the money for a disaster like this needs to be in escrow, available for immediate use. If a company has a hundred wells in the Gulf it's highly unlikely that they all will fail, but it is not that unlikely that one or two will fail. That money needs to be allocated up front so that government (or a properly overseen private industry entity) can select the method that is most likely to solve the problem rather than the most cost effective AND be readying methods two and three at the same time, even though if method one works that money would be wasted. Sand berms could have been built from the first or second week, using sand dredged from in front of the berm locations (those benthic communities thus destroyed will be devastated by the oil anyway) as we have lots of dredging equipment. And commercial fishermen and shrimpers could have been employed from the first week deploying booms and underwater sensors to show the movement of subsurface oil to give maximum reaction time.

And as much as I agree in general with your criticism of the COE, you can't blame them for Katrina. The original COE study was for berms for a Category 5 hurricane; Congress decided to fund only protection against a Category 3 hurricane, and Louisiana politicians spent much of the money allocated for berm maintenance on things like Mardi Gras fountains and highways to gambling boats rather than maintaining and strengthening the berms. Thank G-d Jindal is proving his mettle during this disaster.

Incidentally the radio news just said that pressure in the well could be six times what it was at the start, meaning that the plume will be much harder to shut down now that at its start.

 

[woolfe9999]

I think it absurd to think "Louisiana Is Being Sacrificed". The government has every reason to minimize the damage.

Do any of you have the knowledge and expertise to know if sand barriers themselves will do environmental damage? I would guess that Louisiana just pulled this one out of their ass or they would already know.

Nobody had a plan in place for this situation, not the states, not BP, not the feds. There are no experts with training and knowledge to call on, no experimental data for a good assessment, no models to make any projections. Is it any wonder that things are not going well?

I personally don't have enough information to apportion blame at this stage. I doubt that anybody does.

This, and that is pretty much the end of the issue, for now. Oh, and statements like this are way too prudent for P&N, where everyone is a friggin expert on everything.

- wolf

 

[piasabird]

You try to alter wetlands, and you should expect the Feds to arrest everyone involved.

 

[werepossum]

Another wrinkle on the story - there was evidently a heated argument between BP's representative and Transocean a few hours before the explosion. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...68302434395796.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_sections_news

Makes BP look worse and the others look stupid - especially considering that one of those arguing with the company representative was actually killed.

 

[Cotswolds]

Who fucking cares. Louisiana is waste of space, full of corruption and inbreeding. All three gulf states can all just fall off into the oil slick for all I care. And I live in Louisiana. I prefer to stay in Afghanistan rather than go back to Louisiana. It's nicer here.

Since I'm going to assume you're in that country as a member of our military, I'll cut you a modicum of slack. Having said that, you're a fucking moron. Have a nice day.

 

[Budmantom]

It's all in the name of tearing this country apart, tahnks Barrrrack Hussein Obama.

 

[werepossum]

Since I'm going to assume you're in that country as a member of our military, I'll cut you a modicum of slack. Having said that, you're a fucking moron. Have a nice day.

This is hardly surprising. A central tenant of the progressive movement is that ALL other countries (even Afghanistan in the middle of a war) are better than the USA, much better than a red state, and incalculably better than a southern red state. Yet they seem to be too trifling to actually move their illegal-loving, capitalism-hating dead asses out of southern red states. Go figure.

 

[shortylickens]

I just saw an article on Reuters.
The loss of the fishing industry alone will cost America 6.5 billion dollars. It will also destroy 27,000 jobs just in Louisiana.

 

[Zorkorist]

Just to establish a somewhat true historical time line of this disaster,

Obama said today his Government is in charge,

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

This, and that is pretty much the end of the issue, for now. Oh, and statements like this are way too prudent for P&N, where everyone is a friggin expert on everything.

- wolf

At this point, no one is really appointing blame, it's hard enough to FIX THE CRISIS.

-John

 

[Trianon]

good rant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx8kMXufu3w

 

[cubeless]

Just to establish a somewhat true historical time line of this disaster,

Obama said today his Government is in charge,

-John

ummm, ok... silly me thought the fed govt pretty much owns our territorial waters, but maybe i missed something...

 

[Patranus]

Huh. I never knew the federal government (Obama administration) gave the horizon rig a regulatory pass 10 days before the explosion.

Secondly, I find it interesting last time Obama went out in support of drilling he said they had changed the culture at the MMS. Sounds contradictory to what he said today.

 

[Carmen813]

Damn it, this is just more proof Obama isn't the Messiah. He should have just spread his arms and parted the damn sea, that would have made stopping this leak so easy.

 

[cubeless]

Damn it, this is just more proof Obama isn't the Messiah. He should have just spread his arms and parted the damn sea, that would have made stopping this leak so easy.

just shows how much he hates southerners that he didn't...

 

[Zorkorist]

ummm, ok... silly me thought the fed govt pretty much owns our territorial waters, but maybe i missed something...

If you want the Federal Gobernment to be in charge of everything, believe me, this is a role they will rise to.

-John