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zsdersw said:
You already know the answer to your stupid question, and we've been over it a million times in a million other threads and you've been wrong a million times within each of those threads.

Because they want to be able to get legally married.
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So in other words this:
nehalem256 said:
Stupid is as stupid does.

I almost wonder if gay people are purposefully stupid so they can whine about the problems to extort society into letting them get married.
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This is no different than it would be for any other unmarried couple.

Lack of planning can create problems (ie, you need a will or contract etc to cover things in the event of something happening).
 
PokerGuy said:
This is no different than it would be for any other unmarried couple.

Lack of planning can create problems (ie, you need a will or contract etc to cover things in the event of something happening).
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I doubt most unmarried couples are subject to a gun-to-the-head threat when the family learns about the relationship.
 
zsdersw said:
You already know the answer to your stupid question, and we've been over it a million times in a million other threads and you've been wrong a million times within each of those threads.

Because they want to be able to get legally married.
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I think nehalem256 brings up a very valid point. I must have missed your previous responses. Gays can certainly enter into contracts that will mirror many rights and obligations that marriage affords. This would be a good temporary measure until the laws change.
 
zsdersw said:
From what's in the video, the estrangement between Tom and his family started after he came out to them. The family is just as responsible for losing Tom as Tom is.


Anger and resentment are one thing, holding a gun to someone's head and threatening to attack if the gay partner attends the funeral are quite another.


That's your opinion. I'd say their relationship is a hell of a lot closer to ideal than most relationships are these days.
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There are man/woman relationships that deal with the same issues.

If there is a highly volatile situation around you, you take extra precautions to protect yourself. It's just common sense. Not having at a minimum a will, they dropped the ball, they screwed themselves over. Life is full of millions of injustices.
 
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well he better hope they don't try to meddle with his business but otherwise it's tom's fault for not writing a will. If the family is religious it could have happened even if he was a straight unmarried person living with a woman.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
I think nehalem256 brings up a very valid point. I must have missed your previous responses. Gays can certainly enter into contracts that will mirror many rights and obligations that marriage affords. This would be a good temporary measure until the laws change.
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He asked why haven't gay people pushed for the creation of something new that combines all those contracts. The answer is that gay people don't think that something new and separate from marriage must be created.
 
zsdersw said:
He asked why haven't gay people pushed for the creation of something new that combines all those contracts. The answer is that gay people don't think that something new and separate from marriage must be created.
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It should matter a hell of a lot to those gays who want some semblance of spousal rights until gay marraige becomes law. Sorry, I don't get it....it's a good idea imo.
 
zsdersw said:
Sure there are. He says at the end of the video to make preparations for your partner's death, regardless of sexual orientation.



Yup, and this is one of them.
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Well he is living in a state that banned gay marriage by popular vote of the people. They have a house and business together. I don't think you can get many more indications a couple like them needed a will. Maybe rather than traveling the world together they should have traveled to a general attorney's office and got a will. Sorry pal, but it was his own damn fault.
 
Matt1970 said:
Well he is living in a state that banned gay marriage by popular vote of the people. They have a house and business together. I don't think you can get many more indications a couple like them needed a will. Maybe rather than traveling the world together they should have traveled to a general attorney's office and got a will. Sorry pal, but it was his own damn fault.
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Nowhere have I said it wasn't. It is still a sad and, to me, angering situation, though.. particularly how Tom's family treated Shane.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
A legal agreement that mirrors spousal rights and obligations of marriage as much as possible.
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That already can be and is being done, via lawyers... and isn't what nehalem was referring to.

He was referring to something like marriage; a legal status that puts all those rights and responsibilities under one roof. Gay people haven't pushed for something different from but like marriage because they don't see the need for something other than marriage.
 
zsdersw said:
That already can be and is being done, via lawyers... and isn't what nehalem was referring to.

He was referring to something like marriage; a legal status that puts all those rights and responsibilities under one roof. Gay people haven't pushed for something different from but like marriage because they don't see the need for something other than marriage.
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That isn't what I said:
nehalem256 said:
So how else do you explain why the gay community has not created a common "Gay Commitment Contract" that would allow a gay couple to name each other as medical proxy, recipient of property at death(will), executor of estate, etc...
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There would be absolutely no need for government action. I am talking about the gay community creating a website like http://www.legalzoom.com/ that would easily create "Gay Commitment Contracts" and popularizing the concept throughout the gay community.

In fact such a method could have been used as an alternative method to getting actual legal same-sex marriage as people over time might begin to think it is silly to have a seperate contract for same-sex couples.

But as we know the gay community instead decided to use the "wah wah you are bigots violating our rights strategy"...
 
zsdersw said:
Extremely unlikely, to the point of irrelevance..
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Actually, every consequence listed in the OP happens to unmarried straight couples ALL THE TIME!

"Extremely unlikely" and "irrelevant," my arse...

Lesson of the Day: Get a will.

EDIT: This entire thread is f'n pointless beyond raising awareness to a KNOWN and PREVENTABLE issue for gay couples. I mean, wtf... there are a million gay-specific legal resources to prevent this from happening. Do me a favor, type "legal will for gay couples" into Google, or just click here:
https://www.google.com/search?q=leg...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

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nehalem256 said:
That isn't what I said:

There would be absolutely no need for government action. I am talking about the gay community creating a website like http://www.legalzoom.com/ that would easily create "Gay Commitment Contracts" and popularizing the concept throughout the gay community.
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The concept is already popularized. As I've said, many gay couples do all the legal stuff they can.

In fact such a method could have been used as an alternative method to getting actual legal same-sex marriage as people over time might begin to think it is silly to have a seperate contract for same-sex couples.
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Yes, because if there's one thing that wins people over its legal talk. 🙄

And besides, people like you wouldn't support same-sex marriage anyway.. no matter what method. It doesn't matter, though, because in the end you're still going to lose.

But as we know the gay community instead decided to use the "wah wah you are bigots violating our rights strategy"...
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That's an unsurprisingly dumb and simplistic interpretation of the "strategy" used by the gay community.
 
zsdersw said:
The concept is already popularized. As I've said, many gay couples do all the legal stuff they can.
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There is no common "gay marriage" contract that exists.

The idea is to create a common one that couples can easily use instead of having to go to all of the trouble to draw up all the agreements you would need.

zsdersw said:
Yes, because if there's one thing that wins people over its legal talk. 🙄
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Its not the legal talks. It is the popularizing the idea that gay people get "married" anyway. So why not let them get actual marriages?

zsdersw said:
And besides, people like you wouldn't support same-sex marriage anyway.. no matter what method. It doesn't matter, though, because in the end you're still going to lose.
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Im not sure what your point was.

zsdersw said:
That's an unsurprisingly dumb and simplistic interpretation of the "strategy" used by the gay community.
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I think you mean accurate. The essential argument for gay marriage is that gays want to get married and anyone who is opposed is a big poopy head that wants to deny gays their civil rights because they are a bigot.
 
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