:'( it aint funny anymore...im gonna switch to linux

[rahvin]

<< hey look, im sorry, its not like im looking to host the code red virus. i run security programs and keep with all the updates. thats why im going to install linux and hopefully that will stop all that. >>



No you aren't looking to be a cracked computer but you are providing the opportunity by not EDUCATING yourself BEFORE you set this stuff up. In all honesty if you can't secure a windows machine you have ZERO chance securing a modern linux distribution. Mandrake is especially bad because it installs so much crap on default runs. I suggest you head on over to Security Focus and read every article on the site before you attempt to administer an open network server again. Learn your lesson from this, if you can't administer and install the OS in a secure manner you should not run server services.

No one is infallible, except Russ. I was rooted in the first year I had linux up. I found out only on sheer luck because the script kiddie was so lame that he left the log entries in tact. After that I went through numerous HOWTO's and documents on securing a distribution and I run a pretty tight ship these days. In fact I consider my only weakness that I run BIND without chroot.

Learn from your mistake, don't repeat it.

[edit]Security Focus seems to have changed(in what appears to be an attempt to make money) from when I last visited, it's not as usefull anymore. Others should be able to suggest security orriented online resources for whatever OS you pursue.[/edit]

 

[ultimatebob]

I think that you were joking about this, but Linux would NOT run on a 286. It's a 32-bit OS, so it needs at least a 386-DX processor. (It might run on an 386-SX, but I think that you need a math-coprocessor as well)

But, hey, I bet that you could rig a TCP/IP stack in DOS and run a web server off of a 286 that! If they can run a web server off of a Nintendo gameboy, almost anything is possible!

 

[LongCoolMother]

<< I think that you were joking about this, but Linux would NOT run on a 286. It's a 32-bit OS, so it needs at least a 386-DX processor. (It might run on an 386-SX, but I think that you need a math-coprocessor as well)

But, hey, I bet that you could rig a TCP/IP stack in DOS and run a web server off of a 286 that! If they can run a web server off of a Nintendo gameboy, almost anything is possible! >>



lol i wasnt joking, i do have a 286 in the corner right now. and i still play it from time to time. theres nothing like playing wing commander and tetris on that. i even have windows 3.0 on there. thats right, 3.0. my 486 runs windows 95, so i think it should be fine...

 

[silverpig]

<<i got into a windowsish UI but everything was different. it had none of that C:\ stuff, and i didnt know how to install any programs. also, what programs should i download on linux to replace my existing ones (winamp, ms office, media player, nero etc...)thanks. and will it work with my radeon 8500, audigy, athlon...etc.? thanks>>

I'll try to help you directly here.


C:\ and D:\ don't exist in linux. Windows uses the physical parts of the machine to separate drives, linux does not. You can think of / as being equivalent to "My Computer" and the OS as being the first thing you see in it. Physical disks are generally kept in the /mnt section in mandrake, specifically, /mnt/win_c/ and /mnt/win_d/ or /mnt/cdrom/ and /mnt/floppy etc. The good thing about this is you can mount network shares under / just like they were in your computer; linux doesn't really care where the files are physically. For example, "network neighbourhood/jeff/C:/music/" could be /jeff/music/ in linux.

Programs are installed in a number of ways, and come in a number of formats. Here's a few:

a) getting the source code. This will come as a program.tar.gz file. To install, you GENERALLY open up a terminal, cd into the directory of the tar.gz file, and type:

tar -zxvf program.tar.gz
this will make a directory called /program. Type:

cd /program
to get into that directory. Do an ls to see what's there, maybe read the README file... Now, this is where the process can vary, but it's usually this way. Type:

./configure
it'll do some crazy stuff. then type:

make
it'll do more crazy stuff. then type:

make install
the program will be installed. Done.

b) compiled rpms. These are the easiest things to install. Just cd into the directory and type:

rpm -Uvh program.ix86.rpm where the x is usually either a 3 or a 5, depending... Done. Simple as cake.

c) source rpms. These are tar.gz files that have been put into an rpm package. The best way to handle these is to type:

rpm --rebuild program.src.rpm
this will automatically decompress, recompile, and recompress the code into an i686.rpm that will usually be put in /usr/RPM/RPMS/i686/ I think. Just cd into that directory and type:

rpm -Uvh program.i686.rpm
Done


Also,

XMMS = winamp (comes already with Mandrake)
GIMP = photoshop (comes with Mandrake for FREE )
Star Office or Open Office ~ MS Office...
I'm pretty sure that mandrake has a native burning utility.

Also, when you get more used to linux, try setting up wine. You can run windows programs with that.

Your hardware should work no problem, but I'm not too sure about ATI 3D drivers for linux. I know nvidia has great linux support though... The athlon works great for me, and my SB cards have always been auto set up and work perfectly.

 

[Bleep]

<< Some of you guys are frigging hard on the guy. The best way to learn is to try - how is a person supposed to learn these things without trying? Sure he can read in a book, but how crappy is that for 100% of your resource base >>


Hard on the guy??? He posted on apri. 4th that he could not make his server work right and wanted to try apache. I pm'd him and offered to help him set it up after he had downloaded and installed it, gave him the instructions for installing and what distro to download i also gave him the link to the download. I also informed him the apache was immune to code red and nimbda. Apache works well on windows and is easy to get going for a simple website. He said today he heard that apache does not work well on windows, he was misinformed. There are days when I get over 100 scans on my server and attempts to give me code red or Nimbda, there is NO excuse none for someone to put up a server without some security that works.
Bleep

 

[LongCoolMother]

<< <<i got into a windowsish UI but everything was different. it had none of that C:\ stuff, and i didnt know how to install any programs. also, what programs should i download on linux to replace my existing ones (winamp, ms office, media player, nero etc...)thanks. and will it work with my radeon 8500, audigy, athlon...etc.? thanks>>

I'll try to help you directly here.


C:\ and D:\ don't exist in linux. Windows uses the physical parts of the machine to separate drives, linux does not. You can think of / as being equivalent to "My Computer" and the OS as being the first thing you see in it. Physical disks are generally kept in the /mnt section in mandrake, specifically, /mnt/win_c/ and /mnt/win_d/ or /mnt/cdrom/ and /mnt/floppy etc. The good thing about this is you can mount network shares under / just like they were in your computer; linux doesn't really care where the files are physically. For example, "network neighbourhood/jeff/C:/music/" could be /jeff/music/ in linux.

Programs are installed in a number of ways, and come in a number of formats. Here's a few:

a) getting the source code. This will come as a program.tar.gz file. To install, you GENERALLY open up a terminal, cd into the directory of the tar.gz file, and type:

tar -zxvf program.tar.gz
this will make a directory called /program. Type:

cd /program
to get into that directory. Do an ls to see what's there, maybe read the README file... Now, this is where the process can vary, but it's usually this way. Type:

./configure
it'll do some crazy stuff. then type:

make
it'll do more crazy stuff. then type:

make install
the program will be installed. Done.

b) compiled rpms. These are the easiest things to install. Just cd into the directory and type:

rpm -Uvh program.ix86.rpm where the x is usually either a 3 or a 5, depending... Done. Simple as cake.

c) source rpms. These are tar.gz files that have been put into an rpm package. The best way to handle these is to type:

rpm --rebuild program.src.rpm
this will automatically decompress, recompile, and recompress the code into an i686.rpm that will usually be put in /usr/RPM/RPMS/i686/ I think. Just cd into that directory and type:

rpm -Uvh program.i686.rpm
Done


Also,

XMMS = winamp (comes already with Mandrake)
GIMP = photoshop (comes with Mandrake for FREE )
Star Office or Open Office ~ MS Office...
I'm pretty sure that mandrake has a native burning utility.

Also, when you get more used to linux, try setting up wine. You can run windows programs with that.

Your hardware should work no problem, but I'm not too sure about ATI 3D drivers for linux. I know nvidia has great linux support though... The athlon works great for me, and my SB cards have always been auto set up and work perfectly. >>



thanks, im using linux right now and i downloaded my audigy drivers in a .tar.gz package. i looked at your steps but i dont know where to run the "terminal" im using mandrake, so do i run something?

 

[LongCoolMother]

okay, sorry, i got it. i realize in the command prompt you have to be case sensitive

 

[Stark]

blackice is still crap

 

[rahvin]

Anyone wanna take bets on how long it takes for him to have his linux server rooted?

 

[silverpig]

Here's how you get rid of any virii that you may have too:

su
password

rm -rf /