"It’s Still the Economy, Stupid" by Bill Clinton

[Bowfinger]

Actually, that was number 1. Of course the parrots around here will claim that without millions of pages of regulations we'd be living in Somalia, so they'll quietly ignore the fact that Clinton is saying maybe sometimes the red tape gets to be a bit onerous.

Your trolling notwithstanding, the two are not mutually exclusive. We do need substantial government regulation because American businesses have shown they will happily sacrifice social responsibility for the sake of greed. That said, there are also countless cases where we have too much regulation or the wrong regulation. The intelligent discussion focuses on where we need more, where we need less, and where we simply need to improve what's already there. What we usually get in P&N, unfortunately, is bumper sticker ideologues denouncing all regulation indiscriminately (or advocating more regulation indiscriminately).

 

[Macamus Prime]

Mah gawd!! A carpet bagger is tryin ta tell us haw ta li,... wut? He is from wur?

Ahem,...

Mah gawd! He had sex with one of the Jewash gurls!!!

 

[ProfJohn]

Except the right doesn't want to do that and it's why many Tea Party House members will not vote for it because they don't want to get rid of tax loopholes. They are on the record saying this; no new taxes even in the form of getting rid of corporate tax loopholes.

I think you misunderstand what the 'right' wants.

What they don't want is the wholesale raising of taxes. But this is completely different and is something they will stand behind.

But I guess we will see when the votes happen.

 

[ProfJohn]

So Clinton campaigned on getting welfare reform done, then vetoed Republican proposals that he didn't like, and worked to get common ground and passed it.

He was for welfare reform and got it. How is that not fiscally conservative?

He campaigned for it and then did NOTHING once in office.

Then two years later when the Republicans started the big push to pass it he finally got on board at the end.

If you are willing to give him credit or claim it was his idea then you are an idiot.


If Obama came out tomorrow and said we needed a balanced budget amendment as part of the deal to raise the debt ceiling would you give him credit for the idea?

 

[HendrixFan]

He campaigned for it and then did NOTHING once in office.

I just provided you with a quote from Clinton about some of the things he had done once in office. Do you even read the replies before you respond?

 

[TheSlamma]

Did you bother to read it? You don't even have to read the whole thing.

Well.. OP mentioned the 90's growth in his second to last sentence.. so I must have gotten somewhere with my reading, how far did you get?

 

[First]

I think you misunderstand what the 'right' wants.

What they don't want is the wholesale raising of taxes. But this is completely different and is something they will stand behind.

But I guess we will see when the votes happen.

Tea Party caucus has 87 members in the House. Fact is they have said they officially don't support ANY new taxes. They are on the record.

 

[a777pilot]

It's OBE* now that the Republicans have folded on the debt ceiling issue.

None of you understand. Everything President Clinton suggested are possible solutions but they all have one basic element....they start and are run by the Federal, read BIG, government.

I want a smaller and less intrusive government.

In other words I want more, not less freedom.


*OBE: That's Marine Corps speak for... Overcome By Events

 

[Bowfinger]

Well.. OP mentioned the 90's growth in his second to last sentence.. so I must have gotten somewhere with my reading, how far did you get?

Did you miss #3?

 

[HendrixFan]

None of you understand. Everything President Clinton suggested are possible solutions but they all have one basic element....they start and are run by the Federal, read BIG, government.

Why isn't the free market taking care of it then?

 

[Fern]

Many of those good ideas, some that I've even suggested here.

Can we swap Obama for Bill C? Please?

Fern

 

[a777pilot]

Why isn't the free market taking care of it then?

What free market?

You might want to travel back in time to when the BIG government wanted the "save" the banking system by bailing out some bad performing banks. So the BIG government called in a whole lot of banks and told them, I did not say asked, they were getting government loans along with the restrictions on their businesses and they could not pay the loans back till the they the government told them they could.

Great free market.

LOL!

 

[Engineer]

Many of those good ideas, some that I've even suggested here.

Can we swap Obama for Bill C? Please?

Fern

I 2nd, 3rd, and 4th that notion...with one requirement: No more fucking FREE TRADE agreements that are not FAIR to the US worker.

 

[a777pilot]

Many of those good ideas, some that I've even suggested here.

Can we swap Obama for Bill C? Please?

Fern

I would go along with that. I would take almost anyone other than obama at this point.

 

[HendrixFan]

What free market?

You might want to travel back in time to when the BIG government wanted the "save" the banking system by bailing out some bad performing banks. So the BIG government called in a whole lot of banks and told them, I did not say asked, they were getting government loans along with the restrictions on their businesses and they could not pay the loans back till the they the government told them they could.

Great free market.

LOL!

What do the bailouts have to do with preventing companies from doing the things Clinton mentioned?

 

[halik]

But dat der presodant is a liberal! BIG GOVERNMENT!!!!

It's spelled LIBRULLL ya moran. Sign of the times.

 

[Lanyap]

Many of those good ideas, some that I've even suggested here.

Can we swap Obama for Bill C? Please?

Fern

Bill and Hillary - 2012

 

[Acanthus]

13 is huge. We can't have countries that impose greater tarriffs on our stuff than we impose on their stuff.



Most of it seemed legit, didn't it? At the end there was a tech bubble but there was a lot of real tech growth too.

U.S. => China = 40% Tariffs.
China => U.S. = 3%

 

[Acanthus]

What free market?

You might want to travel back in time to when the BIG government wanted the "save" the banking system by bailing out some bad performing banks. So the BIG government called in a whole lot of banks and told them, I did not say asked, they were getting government loans along with the restrictions on their businesses and they could not pay the loans back till the they the government told them they could.

Great free market.

LOL!

Do you understand why they did this?

 

[a777pilot]

What do the bailouts have to do with preventing companies from doing the things Clinton mentioned?

Nothing. It was a reply to a question on the free market, which I opine doesn't exist anymore in this country.

Do try to keep up.

 

[a777pilot]

Do you understand why they did this?

Yes. That doesn't mean I agree with it or think that it was needed or successful.

 

[SparkyJJO]

So Clinton wants to raise the taxes corporations pay and you applaud it. Too funny!

Reading comprehension > You.

 

[First]

Reading comprehension > You.

What's funny here is that you didn't actually read it.

 

[Acanthus]

Yes. That doesn't mean I agree with it or think that it was needed or successful.

It was quite a bitter pill to swallow. The alternative was a lot worse.

There should have been a lot more strings attached when that money was accepted.

 

[HendrixFan]

Nothing. It was a reply to a question on the free market, which I opine doesn't exist anymore in this country.

Do try to keep up.

So why then don't companies do the things Clinton mentioned?