Israel's warnings on Iran get quiet nods in Gulf

[EagleKeeper]

Woolfe says, "There is no principle of Jews being a "master race." Prove it or go fuck yourself."

Woolfe is maybe 10% right, Hitler verbalized and asserted Germans were the master race, something Israeli Jews do not openly assert.

In other words, Woolfe, you are 90% wrong.

But in terms of every action, and deed, Israelis act as if they were the master race. As they treat the Palestinians and all their neighbors as lesser being not deserving of the same human rights the US assumes all people are born with.

Many Arabs treat the Palestinians the same way the Israeli's do.

Are the Arabs the master race?

The Palestinians are treated that way because they have been trouble for every Muslim country that they hang around in. No host wants them and they refuse to change their attitudes of being spoiled children that should be treated with tender loving care no mater what their behavior is.

 

[Orignal Earl]

The Palestinians are treated that way because they have been trouble for every Muslim country that they hang around in. No host wants them and they refuse to change their attitudes of being spoiled children that should be treated with tender loving care no mater what their behavior is.

You almost nailed down why the UN formed Israel in the first place

 

[piasabird]

Dont think Israel has refueling tanker?

 

[EagleKeeper]

The Palestinians are treated that way because they have been trouble for every Muslim country that they hang around in. No host wants them and they refuse to change their attitudes of being spoiled children that should be treated with tender loving care no mater what their behavior is.

You almost nailed down why the UN formed Israel in the first place

Almost.

Replace the word Palestinians with Jews and Muslim with European.
The second sentence does not apply - they are able to integrate themselves into the host country without issues that they cause - it is the racists that then cause trouble.

The Palestinians on the other had went out of their way to start trouble in/for the host country

 

[Orignal Earl]

Almost.

Replace the word Palestinians with Jews and Muslim with European.
The second sentence does not apply - they are able to integrate themselves into the host country without issues that they cause - it is the racists that then cause trouble.

Heh, probably by now you've read my response in the other thread 😉

The Palestinians on the other had went out of their way to start trouble in/for the host country

Naa

 

[Macamus Prime]

,.. what the fuck,...

Anyone realize the reality of the situation? Iran is just a bigger Palestine - complete with a shitty spokes model (the 14th most powerful man in Iran!).

Iran will NOT be kicking anyone's ass - especially Israel's.

Iran will most likely sneeze, Israel will invade and the US will be left with the bill and clean up,... and you will all like it and take it.

🙂

 

[Jaskalas]

Anyone realize the reality of the situation? Iran is just a bigger Palestine - complete with a shitty spokes model (the 14th most powerful man in Iran!).

Palestine is not developing nuclear weapons. Just the same you say? *cough

 

[Macamus Prime]

Palestine is not developing nuclear weapons. Just the same you say? *cough

Ya - neither is Iran.

EDIT: Those "fighting" terrorism couldn't even prove there were WMDs in Iraq. And, the coalition of the willing quickly became mostly the US. Let's not repeat the same shit again - m'k??

 

[Nebor]

,.. what the fuck,...

Anyone realize the reality of the situation? Iran is just a bigger Palestine - complete with a shitty spokes model (the 14th most powerful man in Iran!).

Iran will NOT be kicking anyone's ass - especially Israel's.

Iran will most likely sneeze, Israel will invade and the US will be left with the bill and clean up,... and you will all like it and take it.

🙂

Well we're good at it now... :thumbsup:

 

[JEDIYoda]

Ya - neither is Iran.

EDIT: Those "fighting" terrorism couldn't even prove there were WMDs in Iraq. And, the coalition of the willing quickly became mostly the US. Let's not repeat the same shit again - m'k??

Thats ok to have such a cavaleir attitude towards Iran having nuclear weapons.
One day you will wake up to the realization that radical Muslims have set off several nuclear weapons.

It doesn`t matter ours or anybody elses reason for taking down Iran, just the realization that radical Musli9ms will set of a nuclear weapon is reason enough to oppse Iran......

Even though we all know that "supposedly" there are Muslims who just want to live and let live. Do you really want nuclear weapons in the hands of so called radical Muslims?? Especially when they believe that everyday is a good day to die??? hmmmmmm

 

[Fern]

I'm a little concerned that these pubic Israeli remarks signal that something is afoot. They seem obviously intended for public consumption, but to what end?

Were Israeli (or us) going to do something as drastic as implied in these statements I would have expected it to be kept quiet until after it was done.

I won't guess as to why they are going public with these remarks, but I don't think they do it lightly.

Edit: Forgot to say that I've heard a moderate Democrat speak about this on TV. Sifting through their remarks it doesn't appear they want to see Iran go nuclear either. This could mean there is sufficient bipartisan support here for unilateral military action when/if needed.

Fern

 

[woolfe9999]

I'm a little concerned that these pubic Israeli remarks signal that something is afoot. They seem obviously intended for public consumption, but to what end?

Were Israeli (or us) going to do something as drastic as implied in these statements I would have expected it to be kept quiet until after it was done.

I won't guess as to why they are going public with these remarks, but I don't think they do it lightly.

Edit: Forgot to say that I've heard a moderate Democrat speak about this on TV. Sifting through their remarks it doesn't appear they want to see Iran go nuclear either. This could mean there is sufficient bipartisan support here for unilateral military action when/if needed.

Fern

Bingo. Israel would not be making this public if they were planning an actual attack. They are either trying to add a further element of intimidation to the existing sanctions regime, or else trying to spur on the US/NATO to take military action because they know that both the Bush and Obama admins have been very much against Israel doing it.

- wolf

 

[boochi]

Israel knows that the US and NATO are a bunch of pussies. They will not even take action with Syria for doing the same thing that Kadafi did.

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm a little concerned that these pubic Israeli remarks signal that something is afoot. They seem obviously intended for public consumption, but to what end?

They're just running it up the flagpole to see how many people will salute... Kinda feeble response so far, other than the usual raving whackjobs.

 

[Nebor]

They're just running it up the flagpole to see how many people will salute... Kinda feeble response so far, other than the usual raving whackjobs.

I'm not seeing any international objections making the news...

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm not seeing any international objections making the news...

And I'm not seeing anybody jumping on the bandwagon, either.

Where's Cheney when you need him, huh?

 

[Nebor]

And I'm not seeing anybody jumping on the bandwagon, either.

Where's Cheney when you need him, huh?

I thought that's what the OP's story was. Tacit approval from other ME nations that don't want Iran growing to be the dominant regional power.

Our support goes without saying, Israel runs our government.

 

[Jhhnn]

I thought that's what the OP's story was. Tacit approval from other ME nations that don't want Iran growing to be the dominant regional power.

Our support goes without saying, Israel runs our government.

Heh. You mean the hatchet job posted at the beginning of this thread, the one with quotes of Israeli War Hawks & a reference to King Abdullah's cable of awhile back? The one so loaded with pro-Israeli spin that it threatens to come apart at the seams? That's tacit international support? Really?

How many sorties would the Israelis need to fly across intervening states to have a serious effect on Iranian efforts? How long would that take? Do you think those govts can effectively feign helplessness while their populations demand action?

If you think that the Saudis, Jordanians, Syrians or Iraqis can afford to side openly with the Israelis, I think you're sadly mistaken. Their people may distrust the Iranians, but they hate the Israelis. If you think we can maintain a military presence in the region if we side openly with an Israeli act of aggression, then you don't understand the sentiments of the people who live there, at all. Those govts have a lot of internal problems, and the last thing they need or want is for our actions to fan the flames of fundie Islamic dissent.

It's not like this is something new, either- the Israelis have been making these kinds of noises for years, off & on. Do you notice the Obama Admin showing any assent, any indication that they favor the notion? No? The Bushistas definitely did, and then nothing happened...

It's just the Netanyahu govt posturing to the domestic base and their fanbois in this country, trying to extort something else from the Obama Admin. I mean, it works for their Repub friends in Congress, so why shouldn't they give it a try?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Heh. You mean the hatchet job posted at the beginning of this thread, the one with quotes of Israeli War Hawks & a reference to King Abdullah's cable of awhile back? The one so loaded with pro-Israeli spin that it threatens to come apart at the seams? That's tacit international support? Really?

How many sorties would the Israelis need to fly across intervening states to have a serious effect on Iranian efforts? How long would that take? Do you think those govts can effectively feign helplessness while their populations demand action?

If you think that the Saudis, Jordanians, Syrians or Iraqis can afford to side openly with the Israelis, I think you're sadly mistaken. Their people may distrust the Iranians, but they hate the Israelis. If you think we can maintain a military presence in the region if we side openly with an Israeli act of aggression, then you don't understand the sentiments of the people who live there, at all. Those govts have a lot of internal problems, and the last thing they need or want is for our actions to fan the flames of fundie Islamic dissent.

It's not like this is something new, either- the Israelis have been making these kinds of noises for years, off & on. Do you notice the Obama Admin showing any assent, any indication that they favor the notion? No? The Bushistas definitely did, and then nothing happened...

It's just the Netanyahu govt posturing to the domestic base and their fanbois in this country, trying to extort something else from the Obama Admin. I mean, it works for their Repub friends in Congress, so why shouldn't they give it a try?

Hatchet job??
This was from a legitimate news source -- Israel's warnings on Iran get quiet nods in Gulf
By BRIAN MURPHY - Associated Press | AP – Sun, Nov 6, 2011

I posted 100% of the whole, entire, full, total article!!

Please show me where I pieced together the article??

Any idiot including you should be able to read the bolded and the non - bolded parts.

You are not the brightest are you?

It`s common knowledge and has been common knowledge for decades that Iran is the odd man out.
It`s been publicized and widely reported that the other Arab nations in that region are scared spitless to have a nuclear armed Iran.
It`s also been publicized and acknowledged that they would turn a blinds eye if Israel were to attack.

As I stated in other posts --- Israel is not as hated as you might think.

 

[Screech]

Hatchet job??
This was from a legitimate news source -- Israel's warnings on Iran get quiet nods in Gulf
By BRIAN MURPHY - Associated Press | AP – Sun, Nov 6, 2011

I posted 100% of the whole, entire, full, total article!!

Please show me where I pieced together the article??

Any idiot including you should be able to read the bolded and the non - bolded parts.

You are not the brightest are you?

It`s common knowledge and has been common knowledge for decades that Iran is the odd man out.
It`s been publicized and widely reported that the other Arab nations in that region are scared spitless to have a nuclear armed Iran.
It`s also been publicized and acknowledged that they would turn a blinds eye if Israel were to attack.

As I stated in other posts --- Israel is not as hated as you might think.

I think you are missing the point here.....while I think that the article is correct regarding the sentiments of leaders of the states surrounding iran with respect to a nuclear iran, their populations have a lot more hate for israel than hate for iran or almost anyone else for that matter. Given the 'Arab Spring' events, I doubt a lot of leaders of that part of the world want to openly side with israel in any matter.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I think you are missing the point here.....while I think that the article is correct regarding the sentiments of leaders of the states surrounding iran with respect to a nuclear iran, their populations have a lot more hate for israel than hate for iran or almost anyone else for that matter. --- your telling who?? that`s a given but your staements have nothing to do with the articlee Given the 'Arab Spring' events, I doubt a lot of leaders of that part of the world want to openly side with israel in any matter.-- who said openly?? I didn`t...or do you have trouble comprehending???

actually you are mistaken...please read what I posted and who I was responding too.

First of all I never said anything about the Arab world openly siding with Israel....duh
Secondly under the table if Israel was to attack Iran and succeed, there would be many spurious communication from Arab nations applauding and thanking Israel, in secret of course.... Of course the world would never be privy to such communications. But you know as well as I do that when it comes to Iran.....there are quite a few Arab states scared spitless...of course there are a few that could care less...

shalom

 

[Lemon law]

Actually this whole thread is just a teaser, because the IAEA is not scheduled to lay out their case against Iran until tomorrow.

But still, in advance of the release of the IAEA report, the larger world seems ready to take positions in advance of the release of the NOV 8 report.

1. Politically, Netanyuhu and Barak in Israel are foursquare for an immediate bombing of Iran, while Military experts inside of Israel take the position that any military attack on Iran is beyond Israeli military military capacity and think that both Netanyuhu and Barak are just plain nuts.

2. Russia has already said, it opposes any militaray action against Iran.

3. And in my mind, its the USA who will play the end key decision in the end. And if Obama feels froggie for such an attack, how will he play it.

On one hand Obama could take the slow sell an Iranian war in the same manner GWB lied us into the Iraq war, or Obama could just believe the IAEA bullshit and hope he can later blame the error on the IAEA when an immediate attack turns to shit. Or hopefully Obama will conclude, we don't need another really dangerous quagmire and its time to put a leach on the Israeli pit bull.

 

[irishScott]

Actually this whole thread is just a teaser, because the IAEA is not scheduled to lay out their case against Iran until tomorrow.

But still, in advance of the release of the IAEA report, the larger world seems ready to take positions in advance of the release of the NOV 8 report.

1. Politically, Netanyuhu and Barak in Israel are foursquare for an immediate bombing of Iran, while Military experts inside of Israel take the position that any military attack on Iran is beyond Israeli military military capacity and think that both Netanyuhu and Barak are just plain nuts.

2. Russia has already said, it opposes any militaray action against Iran.

3. And in my mind, its the USA who will play the end key decision in the end. And if Obama feels froggie for such an attack, how will he play it.

On one hand Obama could take the slow sell an Iranian war in the same manner GWB lied us into the Iraq war, or Obama could just believe the IAEA bullshit and hope he can later blame the error on the IAEA when an immediate attack turns to shit. Or hopefully Obama will conclude, we don't need another really dangerous quagmire and its time to put a leach on the Israeli pit bull.

Actually we'll be out of Iraq by the end of the year. Assuming Israel waits that long then it'll be the newly sovereign Iraqi government who's airspace they'd violate, or perhaps Syria's (as they have done in the past). Meaning the US can politically wash our hands of most of it and do whatever we want.

And yes Lemon Law, I'm sure that Captain Iran will throw his crescent shaped Islamium shield and slice any Israeli jets out of the sky, and any air strike on Israel's part will turn out to be a colossal failure that ignites the entire world against the evil Israeli Nazis and their plans for the extermination of those innocent Palestinian freedom fighters. Meanwhile the world will wail for forgiveness as Iran cuts off the world's oil supply and the entire 5th fleet is starved to death, signaling the rise of the new world super-power: IRAN! 🙄

Your hatred of Israel basically makes you the kind of person Cartman's character satires on South Park.

 

[woolfe9999]

And yes Lemon Law, I'm sure that Captain Iran will throw his crescent shaped Islamium shield and slice any Israeli jets out of the sky, and any air strike on Israel's part will turn out to be a colossal failure that ignites the entire world against the evil Israeli Nazis and their plans for the extermination of those innocent Palestinian freedom fighters. Meanwhile the world will wail for forgiveness as Iran cuts off the world's oil supply and the entire 5th fleet is starved to death, signaling the rise of the new world super-power: IRAN! 🙄

/golf clap. But you know what's really sad? You're trying to parody him here and these views are hardly even an exaggeration of his actual views. Perhaps LL is a parody of himself.

 

[Screech]

actually you are mistaken...please read what I posted and who I was responding too.

First of all I never said anything about the Arab world openly siding with Israel....duh
Secondly under the table if Israel was to attack Iran and succeed, there would be many spurious communication from Arab nations applauding and thanking Israel, in secret of course.... Of course the world would never be privy to such communications. But you know as well as I do that when it comes to Iran.....there are quite a few Arab states scared spitless...of course there are a few that could care less...

shalom

By openly, I mean this: if israel wants to act using an airstrike as has been done before, it will have to go across someone's airspace. Whoever that someone ends up being could end up with a lot of pie on their face that they would rather not have. (iraqi airspace would obviously be one consideration, but they would have to go through turkey or jordan or syrian or saudi before that....). Obviously they could just do it and hope for the best without telling anyone, but their neighbors populaces would probably end up in an anti-israel frenzy regardless of what their leaders think. And therein lies the issue - arab leaders surrounding israel want someone else to clean up the mess but don't want their people to think their hands are getting dirty.....a touchy situation especially given the revolutions occuring these days.

Not saying such a situation is impossible though -- it wouldn't really surprise me THAT much if israel tried something, but for now I'd expect them to stick with stuxnet type things (or are we still pretending we don't know who did that ...😉

L'Chaim

edit: and I'm not some loony like LL who thinks jews are nazis, etc, I generally support israel; I just don't think they want to open up this can of worms just yet.....