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Israel's role in the coming war.

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Originally posted by: justint
And keeps Israel from making it's own hardware (e.g. fighter jets) and selling to other countries (e.g. China). Helps the US corner the market even more so on military hardware sales.
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Israel really doesn't have the capacity to build from scratch combat aircraft as the Lavi program demonstrated. They do have a thriving business in upgrading old Mirages and Migs though.[/quote]

True, but its not limited to Mirages and Migs. Isrealis are adept at adaption of all sorts of equipment to work in their environment. Its all about survival, and the most flexible warriors tend to survive,

All of their planes, regardless of where they are obtained, become adpated to their standards. The F-4 and F-15 are two good examples of aircraft that underwent alot of modification as soon as the Isrealis recieved them because of the way Isreali pilots emphasize different ideals than American designers. Isreal engineers were early adopters of wide-aspect heatseeker missile technology that allows off-angle attacks that defy the capabilities of earlier equipment. The technology required a more flexible seeker on the missile, different software to drive that seeker, and the ability to quickly pick up targets outside the view of the normal cockpit. They followed up with a hard push for air-launched active radar-guided missiles that operated more like those found on warships, smart enough to fly in any direction after launch to hit targets at every angle around the launcher. (The US eventually got them to drop their work for the AMRAAM.) The rest of the world had to or in some cases is just now catching up to them is this regard.

Originally posted by: justint
We did more than just beg Israel to not retaliate against Iraq. We launched a massive and militarily useless "Scud Hunt" to take out mobile Scud Launchers in the desert which diverted precious air and special operations assets from the real war. Our final trump card was in refusing to give Israel coalition IFF codes, so if they did attack Iraq they would have had to go through Saudi F-15's, Syrian Migs, as well as US fighters directed by US AWACS planes. We thought it was that important to keep them on a leash, and it is equally important in this coming conflict.
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That scud hunt was a CAP for western operations, too. Alot more was going on out there than just hunting scuds. 😉
 
there is such a disturbing amount of ignorance in this thread, it's almost frightening...

BLUEFRONT-
israel is not staying out of the war by choice. they are agreeing to american requests to do so. please get it through your skull.

and WTF are you thinking when you say something like "they could at least be providing us with under the table money or information"?!? imagine that they are, would you ever hear about it?!? how on earth could you possibly know? instead, you just assume they aren't because it's not public information. unless, of course, you're actually condoleeza rice posting here and you are so much more privy to that kind of information...
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So uh, since Israel is such a good friend, such a good ally of the USA, I guess other nations are falling all over themselves to have Israel as an ally..... What, no takers? So I suppose only the USA is dumb enough follow the dictates of The Presence.....

So it benefits me to give you money so you can buy things from me.....whattayouknow. That's a new one......
 
Originally posted by: Bluefront
So uh, since Israel is such a good friend, such a good ally of the USA, I guess other nations are falling all over themselves to have Israel as an ally..... What, no takers? So I suppose only the USA is dumb enough follow the dictates of The Presence.....

So it benefits me to give you money so you can buy things from me.....whattayouknow. That's a new one......
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Stop trying to camoflauge your hatred with political stupidity. Just come out and say that you hate Israel. You're almost there. C'mon, you'll feel alot better.
 
Well I guess the subject of the original post has been answered. We can expect no help from Israel in the next war, and most of the posters here would have it that way. All the billions of aid we've given to Israel have really benefited us, although no-one can exactly explain how. And finally if you point out the flaws in our relationship with Israel, you are a bad name.

Oh and thanks Presence....you never used that other "N" word.
 
Originally posted by: Bluefront
Well I guess the subject of the original post has been answered. We can expect no help from Israel in the next war, and most of the posters here would have it that way. All the billions of aid we've given to Israel have really benefited us, although no-one can exactly explain how. And finally if you point out the flaws in our relationship with Israel, you are a bad name.

Oh and thanks Presence....you never used that other "N" word.
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Well, it was one thing if you started in with something, that even if it wasn't a legitimate complaint, at least made sense. But you didn't. And even after countless explanations in this thread, you still keep dogging the points that you originally attempted to make, which STILL make NO SENSE. So, after trying many times to rationalize it for you, I see no other answer than blind hatred.
 
Originally posted by: SherEPunjab
I have no objection to helping countries with food, education, social services.

but not their military. not with my money. :|
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Without our money to help support their military, there would be no Isreal, the world watched Germany kill 6,000,000 jews in WW2, should we stop supporting them so the musilms will kill the rest?
 
No matter how people want to believe that Isreal is self-sufficient in making what they need to fight, its inevitable that attrition will far outstrip their acquisitions in any future war. It is far better to keep Isreal out of any "next" war in the Middle East lest it drag the United States in to defend it. The real danger of a war with Iraq is the destabilizing of the balance of power in the former Media-Persian realm of influence. A quick shift in balance from Iraq to Syria or Iran could end up applying even more pressure on Isreal than they already have. I assure you that the Iraqis are far easier to negotiate with than either the Syrians or the Iranians being that Iraq has basically been under a vise this last twelve years. Release the vise and you let loose demons that otherwise would be swallowed up by the environment.
 
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