Ok, I usually don't participate in forums when it comes to politics, because it gets too repetitive (I might start saving these things in text files for quicker copy/paste
), and there's alot of people that throw information based on Assumptions and Hear-Say rather than experience.
My experiences are first-hand, I critisize almost every aspect of almost every arab country (both people and government), I critisize, Actively, my own arab community here in Israel (~1.1 million) and I critisize Israelis the most, them being the driving force of policy and social education.
Regardless, its 00:00, so I'm tired enough not to mind writing, here's some replies and clarifications on things mentioned on this forum:
Infohawk, I agree with you that both sides are to blame for the current situation, but you frequently ignore the wrongs of the Palestinians while focusing on the wrongs of the Israelis.
Palestinians have been living under occupation since 1948 (and looking pre-jewish occupation, over 400 years of Turkish Occupation), Living under Occupation and Resisting it (even using Terror) are not comparable.
I do not justify Terror, I think the worst stategic and humain mistake Palestinians made was to send people blowing themselfs up, but remember, we're talking about groups that are Extreme by nature, and are there because all other alternatives (Peace, Talks, Regular Guirilla fights, Gun assaults on Army, Nationalism, Communist and everything in between has Failed, and Failed because Israel was simply not [and might still not] be interested in Peace)
The Israelis treat the 1 million Arabs living in the country as well as they treat their own citizens (in almost all cases). How would the Palestinians treat the Jews if the roles were reversed?
the 1 Million Arabs aren't treated the same 'in Most cases', As I mentioned, you will not see the differences on the surface, which is one of the 'smartest' moves a country interested in disriminating could do. Hit people with what matters: Education, Funding, Social Education, After-School activities, Build new Cities, Centers, Find jobs for Youth and everything a Normal country would do for its citizens, Take all that away, and you got Israel's treatment towards its Arab Citizens)
How would the Palestinians treat the Jews if the roles were reversed?
Probably Abuse every last jew living amongst them, but, how would that be any different than what Settlers, the Army, and over 50 years of occupation does?
Not to mention that Palestinians are Constantly Abused, we're talking Prisoners, Day-to-Day house wrecking, City drilling, Active occupation, that's not exactly a basket of Roses, You don't expect palestinians to exactly Love and Charish Israelis now do you?
I agree with a lot of criticisms against Israel, but where are those same criticisms against Palestinian suicide bombers?
Exactly where it should be, Everywhere. Everyone critisizes them, but the fact is, if t here was no occupation, there would be no resistance! Hell, if there was RELATIVE peace, there would be no drastic resistance as there is now. It's as if people only care about Arabs criticising suicide bombers (terrorists if u want) for the sake of feeling better about the whole thing.
The UN is quite quick to condemn Israel for any attack that kills civilians, while they do so less often regarding the Palestinians.
Look up STATE Terror and Militant Group Terror, there's a serious and significant difference.
My point here is that most Israeli's do not hate Palestinians (I've spent several weeks in Israel and have a good amount of family living there),
I've lived here all my life, so have my parents, and my grandparents were here long before jews had a country. Jews here do not only Hate Palestinians, they despise them, they despise the arab world. I do not want to generalize, but around 50% are Pro-Transfer, Settlers call out for genocide, people in the country couldn't care any less for occupation, for them palestinians are some entity screwing up their every-day life.
If you read the horrific things that are happening to this country, girls getting raped, stabbings are now a bi-weekly happening in the news, corruption, corporate spying, piracy and alot more, and I say this truthfully as someone that lives here and wants to live here!
Why this is happening? The majority of the Same people (the ones that hate Arabs) seem to think (As do I) that there's alot of money behind it, and some sort of sick reasoning behind what politicians in this country do.
Peace can be Achieved, you think palestinians love living in ruins? No Education? tanks in cities? every-day imprisonments? kids dying? Almost every palestinian lost a famly member, now Thats sad.
Who controls the spice, Controls the Universe. If you read Frank Herberts' Dune, you will find alot of truth about the world today, simply put, Israel is the one to decide where Peace happens or not (Equal and Truthful peace, Palestinians will not accept any less), Palestinians have little means from resisting israel, simply because Israel is one of the strongest military powers in the world (With nuclear capability).
Take away the militias, terrorist attacks and whats left of a resistance, and Israel would occupy the Palestinians for Ages to come.
remember when Arafat was offered a palestinian state and turned it down? It was more land than anyone would have expected but he said no. While many palestinians want peace, Arafat was one of those who wanted to rid the land of Jews.
What was offered was a deal that was Landed on Palestinian authority, one that did not solve the matter of Refugees, Jerusalem, Water rights, Settlements, Commerce rights and various other key issues. Yes, it was a good deal, for Israelis... Again, Palestinians will not accept anything but a just peace.
Feel free to ask any questions...
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