Israeli troops shoot dead a 95-year-old woman

[Pocatello]

We give a lot of money to Israel, but there is a hook in the deal. Israel has to use 85% of that money to buy US made goods, especially, from our defense contractors. In the end these, contractors benefit the most. For example, even though Israel has made some of the best assault rifle in the world, the majority (if not all) Israel Defense Force personel carry versions the Colt M-16.

 

[Dari]

Both sides, the terrorists and the israeli military/settlers, are despicable human beings. If only sanity would come to the bargaining table, there would be peace in the middle east.

 

[Vernor]

Originally posted by: rubenswm

Originally posted by: Vernor

Originally posted by: Zakath15
It's okay, though, those nasty Palestinians are all terrorists anyway.

Just another casualty in the name of Israeli sovereignty - it's okay.

Wonder what those Marines guarding their barracks in Beirut thought when they so a suspicious car speeding towards them.


Too bad we can't ask them.

Yea, I wonder how 15 year old Mutaz Odeh's dad felt seeing his son die as Isreali soilders fired on a group of children.

Idiots.

Was it this group of Children ?

 

[MinorityReport]

Originally posted by: Pocatello
We give a lot of money to Israel, but there is a hook in the deal. Israel has to use 85% of that money to buy US made goods, especially, from our defense contractors. In the end these, contractors benefit the most. For example, even though Israel has made some of the best assault rifle in the world, the majority (if not all) Israel Defense Force personel carry versions the Colt M-16.

Same with Turkey, Egypt and KSA as well.

However the smart Israelis re export these uncle sam techs to other countries. They are very good reverse engineers and brainy ( its genetic ) of course.

IDF signed a $1.6 bilion contract with Indian Air foce for sale of Arrow EWACS system .. US will not sell to india directly but through Israel it will.

Funny USA sells arms to all terrorist nations but not to a big democracy .. weird

 

[Vernor]

and does democracy equals the good guys no matter what?

The good guys are sure as heck not Islamic Jihad & Hamas or Arafat.

 

[mboy]

Originally posted by: Dari
Both sides, the terrorists and the israeli military/settlers, are despicable human beings. If only sanity would come to the bargaining table, there would be peace in the middle east.

SO what happened a few years ago when Barak offered Arafat 95% of what the Palestinians were seeking?
Oh, they started suicide bombing the Isreali's in Pizza places, Weddings, etc.

Sanity huh?

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: laFiera
usa controlled by the jews---very well said!!!

"I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it."
Ariel Sharon to Shimon Peres, October 3rd, 2001, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.
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U.S. expected to approve $14 billion aid request
By Moti Bassok

Israel will today submit a request for $14 billion in economic aid to U.S. National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice. President George Bush is expected to quickly approve the request - $4 billion in defense aid. and U.S. guarantees for $10 billion - with minor changes, Israeli sources said.
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Let's keep sending them the billions of dollars they are asking for, but let's also not increase the federal wages to the american workers...

Link to Sharon's quote from a reputable site because I think you are full of sh!t moreso than any other statement I have ever read in my life. It is what I have come to expect of you but I will give you chance to prove your quote.

Just curious what constitutes a "reputable site"? It's a reporters word at any site unless you actually have tape and context which it was said. How anyone trusts media which has no internal or external consistancy is beyond me.

CNN and Fox do blow stories but they are more "reputable" than Uruklink news Al-Jazeera, Arabnews, or Taliban TV...

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: MinorityReport

Originally posted by: Pocatello
We give a lot of money to Israel, but there is a hook in the deal. Israel has to use 85% of that money to buy US made goods, especially, from our defense contractors. In the end these, contractors benefit the most. For example, even though Israel has made some of the best assault rifle in the world, the majority (if not all) Israel Defense Force personel carry versions the Colt M-16.

Same with Turkey, Egypt and KSA as well.

However the smart Israelis re export these uncle sam techs to other countries. They are very good reverse engineers and brainy ( its genetic ) of course.

IDF signed a $1.6 bilion contract with Indian Air foce for sale of Arrow EWACS system .. US will not sell to india directly but through Israel it will.

Funny USA sells arms to all terrorist nations but not to a big democracy .. weird

Also Israel has sold weapons to China, weapons they reverse engineered from weapons they got from the US

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: mboy

Originally posted by: Dari
Both sides, the terrorists and the israeli military/settlers, are despicable human beings. If only sanity would come to the bargaining table, there would be peace in the middle east.

SO what happened a few years ago when Barak offered Arafat 95% of what the Palestinians were seeking?
Oh, they started suicide bombing the Isreali's in Pizza places, Weddings, etc.

Sanity huh?

I suggest you read something about the peace proposal Barak offered Arafat before you go on rambling about it
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/middle_east/2001/israel_and_the_palestinians/
good place to start

 

[dolph]

like most issues, people are going to believe what they want to believe. if they're pro-palestinian and israelis kill a 95 year old woman, they'll continue to think all israelis are monsters. if a bus full of israeli school children is blown up, it's ultimately because the israelis oppress the palestinians. if a 17 year old palestinian boy with a molotov cocktail is shot and killed just before he throws it at a temple, all they'll see is "palestinian boy killed." the same holds true to pro-israelis, to a much smaller extent. there is one key difference, though: the palestinians who commit theses acts are not freedom fighters, they're not demonstrators, they're not protestors. they're terrorists. and as soon as you start to say, "well..." then you are justifying terrorist actions. blowing up civilians in restuarant equals terrorist. shooting back doesn't equal terrorist.

 

[fluxquantum]

no matter how you look at the situation it's still sad🙁

 

[rubenswm]

Originally posted by: dolph
like most issues, people are going to believe what they want to believe. if they're pro-palestinian and israelis kill a 95 year old woman, they'll continue to think all israelis are monsters. if a bus full of israeli school children is blown up, it's ultimately because the israelis oppress the palestinians. if a 17 year old palestinian boy with a molotov cocktail is shot and killed just before he throws it at a temple, all they'll see is "palestinian boy killed." the same holds true to pro-israelis, to a much smaller extent. there is one key difference, though: the palestinians who commit theses acts are not freedom fighters, they're not demonstrators, they're not protestors. they're terrorists. and as soon as you start to say, "well..." then you are justifying terrorist actions. blowing up civilians in restuarant equals terrorist. shooting back doesn't equal terrorist.

yeah, obviously people from each side are going to try to find events supporting their cause. The way I feel is that it is unfourtunate that both Isreali and Palestinian lives are being lost on a daily basis and there is really no effort to make peace happen in this area. One thing to note is these palestinian peoples lives are so hellish hopeless and grim that they are obvioulsy depressed enough to turn to suicide bombing thinking it is going to change things. it just sucks overall..

 

[rubenswm]

Originally posted by: fluxquantum
no matter how you look at the situation it's still sad🙁

yeah, it is.

 

[Emos]

like most issues, people are going to believe what they want to believe. if they're pro-palestinian and israelis kill a 95 year old woman, they'll continue to think all israelis are monsters. if a bus full of israeli school children is blown up, it's ultimately because the israelis oppress the palestinians. if a 17 year old palestinian boy with a molotov cocktail is shot and killed just before he throws it at a temple, all they'll see is "palestinian boy killed." the same holds true to pro-israelis, to a much smaller extent. there is one key difference, though: the palestinians who commit theses acts are not freedom fighters, they're not demonstrators, they're not protestors. they're terrorists. and as soon as you start to say, "well..." then you are justifying terrorist actions. blowing up civilians in restuarant equals terrorist. shooting back doesn't equal terrorist

Yeah, this is the ultimate "Beating a dead horse" issue here on ATOT, it's getting to be worse than the religion threads. Question for anyone who has actively participates in these "Jew vs A-rab" threads...has ANYONE actually changed there position or their beliefs????? Ok I feel better now! 😛

 

[AmazonRasta]

We should just abolish religion. Palestinians are killing Jews because "God" told them to through the Qur'an. I'm not instulting Palestinian or Isreali religion at all - I would like to see ALL religion abolished. There have been countless numbers of unnecessary wars in history because of religion. I understand that people need something to believe in, but killing another human being because your religion (no matter which one it is) told you to is complete and utter bullsh!t.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: rubenswm

Originally posted by: dolph
like most issues, people are going to believe what they want to believe. if they're pro-palestinian and israelis kill a 95 year old woman, they'll continue to think all israelis are monsters. if a bus full of israeli school children is blown up, it's ultimately because the israelis oppress the palestinians. if a 17 year old palestinian boy with a molotov cocktail is shot and killed just before he throws it at a temple, all they'll see is "palestinian boy killed." the same holds true to pro-israelis, to a much smaller extent. there is one key difference, though: the palestinians who commit theses acts are not freedom fighters, they're not demonstrators, they're not protestors. they're terrorists. and as soon as you start to say, "well..." then you are justifying terrorist actions. blowing up civilians in restuarant equals terrorist. shooting back doesn't equal terrorist.

yeah, obviously people from each side are going to try to find events supporting their cause. The way I feel is that it is unfourtunate that both Isreali and Palestinian lives are being lost on a daily basis and there is really no effort to make peace happen in this area. One thing to note is these palestinian peoples lives are so hellish hopeless and grim that they are obvioulsy depressed enough to turn to suicide bombing thinking it is going to change things. it just sucks overall..

Who other than the Israelis and the Palestinian Arabs can put forth the effort necessary to make peace happen? No matter how sick the rest of the world gets over watching this conflict continue until those 2 groups of people are ready to sit down and make it work there will be no peace. It certainly cannot be imposed on them by the US, the UN, or any other group no matter what we may wish. Just look at the vitriol from both sides in discussions about this topic on this board.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: AmazonRasta
We should just abolish religion. Palestinians are killing Jews because "God" told them to through the Qur'an. I'm not instulting Palestinian or Isreali religion at all - I would like to see ALL religion abolished. There have been countless numbers of unnecessary wars in history because of religion. I understand that people need something to believe in, but killing another human being because your religion (no matter which one it is) told you to is complete and utter bullsh!t.

If it is that simplistic then please explain why just 100 years ago Jews, Christians, and Muslims that lived in this region were able to tolerate one another to the point where they would socialize with one another irregardless of religion? Religion is just a convenient tool being used by extremists seeking to gain the upper hand in a power struggle that has been ongoing since the opening of the 20th century.

The many peoples who have lived on this land in past ages have not always been so much at odds. A cache of letters uncovered in a cave in the Judaean desert on the southern fringe of the West Bank 40 years ago chronicles the daily life of Babatha, a second-century Jewish woman. Babatha describes Jews and Arabs coexisting without friction. Just a hundred years ago Jews, Christians, and Muslims living in Jerusalem routinely attended each other?s religious festivities. That kind of harmony eroded and disappeared in the 20th century with the rise of nationalism?Jewish and Arab?in the region.

Above from this National Geographic article in the October 2002 issue.

 

[mboy]

Originally posted by: AmazonRasta
We should just abolish religion. Palestinians are killing Jews because "God" told them to through the Qur'an. I'm not instulting Palestinian or Isreali religion at all - I would like to see ALL religion abolished. There have been countless numbers of unnecessary wars in history because of religion. I understand that people need something to believe in, but killing another human being because your religion (no matter which one it is) told you to is complete and utter bullsh!t.

Much agreed mr. Rasta mon ;-)

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Well, this has been ignored


Separately, United Nations aid workers here sent a caustic message to the government, attacking the government and the military for the fatal shooting by troops on Nov. 22 of a senior United Nations aid official in Jenin. The official, Iain John Hook, 54, was shot in the back as he stood in a United Nations compound. The army said it was under attack by militants in the camp, an account that aid workers have adamantly denied.
On Friday, the United Nations said Secretary General Kofi Annan had demanded that Israel investigate the killing and punish those responsible.
In their letter on Monday, 62 United Nations workers in the West Bank and Gaza Strip said the military had refused to let an ambulance remove Mr. Hook, an act that they called a "refusal to respect the most elementary standards of humanity."
They said the death fit a pattern of abuse that has "steadily eroded" the protection usually accorded United Nations aid workers.
"U.N. staff ? international and Palestinian alike ? have been verbally abused, stripped, beaten, shot at and killed by Israeli soldiers," the letter said. "There has been armed interference with U.N. employees and vehicles, including attacks on U.N. ambulances and medical personnel."
A second United Nations worker was shot in March while sitting in a marked United Nations ambulance in the West Bank. Another man working with the aid programs, Husni Amer, died in April in army custody.
Israel's failure to investigate the deaths, the letter said, "seems to confirm a pattern of utter contempt on the part of the Israeli Army for the lost lives of these men."




What is the justification for this, and the fact there is no investigation?</NYT_TEXT>

 

[Bulk Beef]

I suggest you read something about the peace proposal Barak offered Arafat before you go on rambling about it

Oh please, Czar, I remember when you first learned of that offer, and didn't know the difference between Barak and Rabin. When it was suggested that YOU should read about it, you immediately set about figuring out how you could dovetail the facts of the offer into your pro-Pal stance. Wasn't easy, was it? and you didn't do very well either, because you can't.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Vernor

Was it this group of Children ?

Perhaps, or maybe children like this one.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: rubenswm

Originally posted by: Dudd

Originally posted by: SuperTool
It goes to show you that the Palestinians don't have it that bad if they are living till 95.

LOL. Finally, something worthwhile in one of these Israeli/Palestinian threads.

lol..

"Among the Jewish population, life expectancy was 80.8 years for women and 76.6 years for men,"

palestinian Life expectancy at birth (years) 70.5 female/69 male in palestine.

thats a pretty large difference. your comments really make no sense

The life expectancy of those wearing bombs strapped to their back isn't that long..neither is it for those children that throw rocks and sticks at people with guns.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: AmazonRasta
We should just abolish religion. Palestinians are killing Jews because "God" told them to through the Qur'an. I'm not instulting Palestinian or Isreali religion at all - I would like to see ALL religion abolished. There have been countless numbers of unnecessary wars in history because of religion. I understand that people need something to believe in, but killing another human being because your religion (no matter which one it is) told you to is complete and utter bullsh!t.

That is interesting..the Quran that I am familiar with states that killing one man is the same as killing all of mankind while saving one would be saving all of mankind

Also I remember reading that a Christian is a friend of Muslim and that the followers of Moses were wise....maybe you have a different version of the Quran though. The Islamic Jihad followers are nothing more than a cult, albeit a big one with weapons. They pervert the truth in order to brainwash their followers into hate eg. the state religion of Saudi Arabia endorses Jewish hate literature in their school system. Wahhabism is no different that Nazism, except Hitler was a little bit smarter.

 

[Cfour]

Originally posted by: rubenswm

Originally posted by: dolph
like most issues, people are going to believe what they want to believe. if they're pro-palestinian and israelis kill a 95 year old woman, they'll continue to think all israelis are monsters. if a bus full of israeli school children is blown up, it's ultimately because the israelis oppress the palestinians. if a 17 year old palestinian boy with a molotov cocktail is shot and killed just before he throws it at a temple, all they'll see is "palestinian boy killed." the same holds true to pro-israelis, to a much smaller extent. there is one key difference, though: the palestinians who commit theses acts are not freedom fighters, they're not demonstrators, they're not protestors. they're terrorists. and as soon as you start to say, "well..." then you are justifying terrorist actions. blowing up civilians in restuarant equals terrorist. shooting back doesn't equal terrorist.

yeah, obviously people from each side are going to try to find events supporting their cause. The way I feel is that it is unfourtunate that both Isreali and Palestinian lives are being lost on a daily basis and there is really no effort to make peace happen in this area. One thing to note is these palestinian peoples lives are so hellish hopeless and grim that they are obvioulsy depressed enough to turn to suicide bombing thinking it is going to change things. it just sucks overall..

There have been plenty of efforts for peace since 1948 when Israel was created by the UN. More recently in 1993 when Clinton got Arafat and (sorry I forgot the name of the Israel leader at the time... he was later assasinated though) signed the peace deal. And if you remember before their elections in 2000 when Sharon was elected, they were also pretty damn close to reachin a deal. It seems that any leader that makes peace w/ Israel in the Middle East ends up getting assasinated, like when Sadat made a peace treaty for Egypt with Israel in 1979, he was soon after assasinated.

Like many others have said, I don't see a real solution to this ongoing problem.