Israeli Soldiers Breaking The Silence on the Occupation of Palestine

[SandEagle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYXdoipaqnY#!

very courageous of these soldiers to come forward like this. :thumbsup:

not like the Rabbi calling for the annihilation of Palestinians
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIPYLuU-jUA

 

[zanejohnson]

see, folks, the problem is the israeli defense, the israeli government.

that is why people call them vampires.

that is why anon has declared war on them.

that is why there is what seems like anti antisemitism in places where intellectual people gather online.

 

[JEDIYoda]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYXdoipaqnY#!

very courageous of these soldiers to come forward like this. :thumbsup:

not like the Rabbi calling for the annihilation of Palestinians
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIPYLuU-jUA

Active duty.....you failed to mention they were former soldiers.....
You also failed to mention --
Former Israeli paratrooper Avner Gvaryahu, now an activist with Breaking The Silence explains to Green Left Weekly's Peter Boyle how 850 former Israeli soldiers have given testimony about the gross injustices against the Palestinian people they have witnessed and made to participate in as part of Israel's military occupation of the West Bank and Gaza. He was visiting Australia to promote the book "Our Harsh Logic" (Scribe Publications).

Huge difference.......
The same thing applies for almost every army in the world.....
]You will find those people once they are finished with their enlistment openly speaking about what they saw....so goes war....deal with it....

 

[zanejohnson]

and this is why Obama will not let America get any more involved with this (we hope)

us sane americans, know tyranny when we see it, down with the zionist regime.

 

[JEDIYoda]

see, folks, the problem is the israeli defense, the israeli government.

that is why people call them vampires.

that is why anon has declared war on them.

that is why there is what seems like anti antisemitism in places where intellectual people gather online.

I surely hope you don`t fancy yourself one of those intellectual online people...lolol

 

[JEDIYoda]

and this is why Obama will not let America get any more involved with this (we hope)

Israel does not need our help......you can debate that all you wish...
Israel did not ask for our help....

 

[zanejohnson]

Israel does not need our help......you can debate that all you wish...
Israel did not ask for our help....

but they will... you'll see.

they may not need our military help, but they do need our approval.

 

[zanejohnson]

I surely hope you don`t fancy yourself one of those intellectual online people...lolol

i fancy most people who visit this board to be pretty high up on the intellectual scale, yourself included.

 

[zanejohnson]

the second the american people are not behind the israeli government's actions. israel is gone.

 

[Screech]

the second the american people are not behind the israeli government's actions. israel is gone.

Countries with nuclear weapons tend not to disappear.

Tell us, how exactly will israel be "gone"? Be specific.

 

[zanejohnson]

Countries with nuclear weapons tend not to disappear.

Tell us, how exactly will israel be "gone"? Be specific.

tell me, why exactly it is, that israel just has to have a "sit downz" with our leaders, the second anything goes slightly not in there favor on the world stage?

it's not hard to see that israeli support across the globe is failing, if it did come to down to it, do you think israel would blow us all up if they were starting to lose big?


so, fast forward anywhere from 1 year, to 100 years down the road, when israeli support is completely dwindled, would they? use there nuclear arsenal against the entire planet in a last attempt to regain control? (that is what the people who aren't so shortsighted are starting to worry about)

 

[Screech]

tell me, why exactly it is, that israel just has to have a "sit downz" with our leaders, the second anything goes slightly not in there favor on the world stage?

it's not hard to see that israeli support across the globe is failing, if it did come to down to it, do you think israel would blow us all up if they were starting to lose big?


so, fast forward anywhere from 1 year, to 100 years down the road, when israeli support is completely dwindled, would they? use there nuclear arsenal against the entire planet in a last attempt to regain control? (that is what the people who aren't so shortsighted are starting to worry about)

Uh.

So your assertion is that......Israel would nuke the entire rest of the world because they are losing support?

Like....seriously?

 

[zanejohnson]

Uh.

So your assertion is that......Israel would nuke the entire rest of the world because they are losing support?

Like....seriously?

israeli government. not israel (as in the jewish people)

 

[Capt Caveman]

Israel does not need our help......you can debate that all you wish...
Israel did not ask for our help....

Correct. Why would Israel need our assistance? They can handle themselves very easily. And the US is defending Israel's actions.

 

[Screech]

israeli government. not israel (as in the jewish people)

Ok.

So your answer to my question of how would Israel be "gone" is that the Israeli government would nuke every other country on earth?

You realize that is retarded for two reasons, right?

First, it wouldn't happen, because nobody is going to nuke the rest of the world out of spite;

Second, every other country with the capability would respond in kind; which is why it wouldn't happen in the first place.

I'll ignore for the moment the fact that israel currently does not have an icbm that would reach america (I suppose they will some number of years down the road so that does not by itself discount your theory).

 

[Lemon law]

The intellectual falsies on this thread are somewhat semi-infinite. But on the whole zanejohnson raises many of them. As ole Zane also makes the correct distinction that the policies of the Present Israeli government has nothing to do with the religion of Judaism. And instead everything to do with the universal and corrosive effects of human greed.

 

[wuliheron]

My enemy's enemy is my best friend and Israel is one of our best allies in the region simply because everybody hates them. The US knows perfectly well they'll never turn on us or abandon us because they need all the help they can get. Short of them committing unprovoked mass murder and raping every Palestinian in sight we simply have no interest in their affairs. Peace talks and whatnot are just for political grandstanding.

 

[iGas]

My enemy's enemy is my best friend and Israel is one of our best allies in the region simply because everybody hates them. The US knows perfectly well they'll never turn on us or abandon us because they need all the help they can get. Short of them committing unprovoked mass murder and raping every Palestinian in sight we simply have no interest in their affairs. Peace talks and whatnot are just for political grandstanding.

USS Liberty incident

 

[iGas]

Correct. Why would Israel need our assistance? They can handle themselves very easily. And the US is defending Israel's actions.

I agree with you whole heartedly, hence the US should stop giving handouts to Israel, because Israel can stand on its own.

American handouts to Israel "Israel receives as much foreign economic assistant as all the countries combine in the world."

Jewish Virtual Library -- U.S. Aid To Israel "Altogether, since 1949, Israel has received more than $106 billion in assistance."

 

[DominionSeraph]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quz6ndyi6Dw

Just remember, the Palestinians would gruesomely murder her if they could.

 

[badb0y]

Yep, seems about right.

 

[zanejohnson]

how can any just nation, build walls around water wells that are a people's only way of making a living for themselves, and feeding themselves.

make it illegal to use the road that your house is on?

it's contrary to our common human rights. this is why the Israeli government will fall.

 

[Harabec]

Last thing I want is a "fair fight". In survival, the idea is simple - better us alive than them...once a country abandons that concept you may as well dismantle it and send everyone to Uganda.

 

[zanejohnson]

Last thing I want is a "fair fight". In survival, the idea is simple - better us alive than them...once a country abandons that concept you may as well dismantle it and send everyone to Uganda.

this kind of thinking is flawed, it's nothing but selfishness.

free yourself of your ego.

 

[badb0y]

Last thing I want is a "fair fight". In survival, the idea is simple - better us alive than them...once a country abandons that concept you may as well dismantle it and send everyone to Uganda.

I'm sure Hitler used the same rationality.