Israeli Settler Kids Attacking Human Rights Workers

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: linkgoron
Well, that appears real (after hearing what they're saying, and hearing the kids talk).
I wouldn't say that it shows the Israel in any light whatsoever. Hevron is probably home to the most radical Israelis. They attack Israeli soldiers too...
Still, those kids should've gotten a good knee in the head from those peace guys... That soldier (it seems) is just one of those magavnicks or something, that pretty much had nowhere to go in the military and was just thrown there (well, it seems from the fact that he speaks half-assed English, and hearing his voice). While the soldier should be dealt with, talking to the kids parents won't help, because they've obviously been sent by their parents.

It isn't just in Hebron and that solder is far from alone in his attitude. You can find testimonials from many other solders who did far worse things and now regret there actions:

http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/

What's the point? That there are bad apples? Of course there are. It still doesn't make it official policy, and it isn't.

Yeah it just makes it unofficial policy. Rachel Corey (i think that was her name) was also bulldozed over by an Israeli soldier about a year or so back.

So US unofficial policy is to kill civilians?


How about we show you an example of official policy...

The leader of Hez saying they are targetting Israel civilians, that is an official policy.

If The leader never said that, and all of a sudden a Hez missiles killed Israel civilians, it would not be policy, but a mistake. When the leader announces it, it becomes policy.

US policy has nothing to do with Israeli policy. The US does not have a desire to uproot people and erect settlements that require constant policing and warfare. Thus it's asinine to even suggest a link between Israeli and US war policy unless you're saying that third party observers/workers are hostiles and should be run over via bull dozers and/or stoned by kids? Seems to me Israeli apologists will find any excuse to dismiss Israel's blatant disregard for human life. As for Hezbollah, they've suffered >1:10 civilian deaths compared to Israel so the onus still lies with Israel; Hezbollah doesn't have 1/100th of the sophisticated weaponry Israel does so to make it fair lets reverse the roles and give the Israelis WWII era rockets for defense and hand Hezbollah advanced fighters with guided munitions.

You stated that some soldier making actions make it an unoffical policy. So by that definition, the US would have an unofficial policy of killing cilians.

For disregard of life, perhaps we should look at Iraq civilian cassualties and Lebannon, Or perhaps any other large scale conflict vs Lebannon.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: linkgoron
Well, that appears real (after hearing what they're saying, and hearing the kids talk).
I wouldn't say that it shows the Israel in any light whatsoever. Hevron is probably home to the most radical Israelis. They attack Israeli soldiers too...
Still, those kids should've gotten a good knee in the head from those peace guys... That soldier (it seems) is just one of those magavnicks or something, that pretty much had nowhere to go in the military and was just thrown there (well, it seems from the fact that he speaks half-assed English, and hearing his voice). While the soldier should be dealt with, talking to the kids parents won't help, because they've obviously been sent by their parents.

It isn't just in Hebron and that solder is far from alone in his attitude. You can find testimonials from many other solders who did far worse things and now regret there actions:

http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/

What's the point? That there are bad apples? Of course there are. It still doesn't make it official policy, and it isn't.

Yeah it just makes it unofficial policy. Rachel Corey (i think that was her name) was also bulldozed over by an Israeli soldier about a year or so back.

So US unofficial policy is to kill civilians?


How about we show you an example of official policy...

The leader of Hez saying they are targetting Israel civilians, that is an official policy.

If The leader never said that, and all of a sudden a Hez missiles killed Israel civilians, it would not be policy, but a mistake. When the leader announces it, it becomes policy.

US policy has nothing to do with Israeli policy. The US does not have a desire to uproot people and erect settlements that require constant policing and warfare. Thus it's asinine to even suggest a link between Israeli and US war policy unless you're saying that third party observers/workers are hostiles and should be run over via bull dozers and/or stoned by kids? Seems to me Israeli apologists will find any excuse to dismiss Israel's blatant disregard for human life. As for Hezbollah, they've suffered >1:10 civilian deaths compared to Israel so the onus still lies with Israel; Hezbollah doesn't have 1/100th of the sophisticated weaponry Israel does so to make it fair lets reverse the roles and give the Israelis WWII era rockets for defense and hand Hezbollah advanced fighters with guided munitions.

You stated that some soldier making actions make it an unoffical policy. So by that definition, the US would have an unofficial policy of killing cilians.

For disregard of life, perhaps we should look at Iraq civilian cassualties and Lebannon, Or perhaps any other large scale conflict vs Lebannon.

Once again you're trying to skirt the issue at hand: The US isn't in the business of creating settlements because they think it's their divine right, especially at the expense of others. The US does not have any religious ambitions unlike Israel and it's citizens. Thus to suggest any connection is foolish. Fact of the matter is Israelis have been shown to disregard the safety of those they view as anti-Israeli and this was demonstrated last year when they ran over Rachel Correy and now this video further depicts their hate. The Snowman has also posted further evidence but I noticed you ignored it. Even American Jews are busy fueling lies about "radical Islam" via honestreporting.com (see the other thread about this) so I can't even say its limited to just Israelis.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: linkgoron
Well, that appears real (after hearing what they're saying, and hearing the kids talk).
I wouldn't say that it shows the Israel in any light whatsoever. Hevron is probably home to the most radical Israelis. They attack Israeli soldiers too...
Still, those kids should've gotten a good knee in the head from those peace guys... That soldier (it seems) is just one of those magavnicks or something, that pretty much had nowhere to go in the military and was just thrown there (well, it seems from the fact that he speaks half-assed English, and hearing his voice). While the soldier should be dealt with, talking to the kids parents won't help, because they've obviously been sent by their parents.

It isn't just in Hebron and that solder is far from alone in his attitude. You can find testimonials from many other solders who did far worse things and now regret there actions:

http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/

What's the point? That there are bad apples? Of course there are. It still doesn't make it official policy, and it isn't.

Yeah it just makes it unofficial policy. Rachel Corey (i think that was her name) was also bulldozed over by an Israeli soldier about a year or so back.

So US unofficial policy is to kill civilians?


How about we show you an example of official policy...

The leader of Hez saying they are targetting Israel civilians, that is an official policy.

If The leader never said that, and all of a sudden a Hez missiles killed Israel civilians, it would not be policy, but a mistake. When the leader announces it, it becomes policy.

US policy has nothing to do with Israeli policy. The US does not have a desire to uproot people and erect settlements that require constant policing and warfare. Thus it's asinine to even suggest a link between Israeli and US war policy unless you're saying that third party observers/workers are hostiles and should be run over via bull dozers and/or stoned by kids? Seems to me Israeli apologists will find any excuse to dismiss Israel's blatant disregard for human life. As for Hezbollah, they've suffered >1:10 civilian deaths compared to Israel so the onus still lies with Israel; Hezbollah doesn't have 1/100th of the sophisticated weaponry Israel does so to make it fair lets reverse the roles and give the Israelis WWII era rockets for defense and hand Hezbollah advanced fighters with guided munitions.

You stated that some soldier making actions make it an unoffical policy. So by that definition, the US would have an unofficial policy of killing cilians.

For disregard of life, perhaps we should look at Iraq civilian cassualties and Lebannon, Or perhaps any other large scale conflict vs Lebannon.

Once again you're trying to skirt the issue at hand: The US isn't in the business of creating settlements because they think it's their divine right, especially at the expense of others. The US does not have any religious ambitions unlike Israel and it's citizens. Thus to suggest any connection is foolish. Fact of the matter is Israelis have been shown to disregard the safety of those they view as anti-Israeli and this was demonstrated last year when they ran over Rachel Correy and now this video further depicts their hate. The Snowman has also posted further evidence but I noticed you ignored it. Even American Jews are busy fueling lies about "radical Islam" via honestreporting.com (see the other thread about this) so I can't even say its limited to just Israelis.

So you change it around when it suits you? Typical Israel basher style.

As I said, show me an invasion that has this low of a number of casulties? You said yourself a few soldiers make an unoffical policy, now you backtrack on it. People like you are what keep this feud going, saying the first thing that comes to there mind, and than spitting it out without thinking about it first. Again, if you are so sure it is there policy to kill civilians, than by nature, every war in recent memeory targeted civlians. You are so caught up in your "Israel is the devil" you forget to take a step back and look at the whole picture. Why is Israel attacking? Is it because they are bored? Or because they have sat back for the last 6 years, pretending there is a peace agreement when Hez still attacked them. Israel is protecting its citizens, if Lebannon did not want this to happen, they should have taken care of them.

Again, by your definition of a policy targeting civilians, than that is a policy of the US, no way around it.

 

[IrateLeaf]

Agan Joker sidesteps the issues by asking a question to answer a question.
Most people who do that are only doing to because they have no answer.

That FAKE funeral has everything to do with your FAKE you tube clip.
All your accusations are unfounded.
There is nothing to cooberate the authenticity of that film.
All the arguments others make concerning the inaccuracies of the FAKE film are all valid arguments.

You of all poeple should know better than to post something like that without any cooberating evidence as to possibly a 2nd news source...

But NO - then you go on to make all these false assumptions based an film that was staged????

None of your rebuttal to what others have stated holds any water. Why?
Becuase you have none whatsoever evidence cooberating the authenticity of this film.

If it was anybody else posting this it might have been taken a tad bit more seriously.
sonce itNut was you and well all know your stance on this whole middle east affair, its only logical to assume this is tainted. 😀

I see no corroborating evidence concerning this video.If those truly were human rights workers this would be all over the news services.
This was 100% staged for the enjoyment of those who dislike the Israeli`s.
You Joker are being used by these people as a propaganda tool.
Joker you make several statements with the assumption that this was truly an Israeli soldier...hmmmm

Then Joker you also make another false statement --There's more proof in this video that its authentic rather than staged, unless you can prove otherwise then we have to take it at face value.You only say that because again you cannot prove it was not staged.

Joker you started the thread. You posted the video. It is your responsibility to produce 100% irrefutable evidence that this was not staged in anyway.
The video would be thrown out in a court of law without the fact s being known cocerning who made the video...is it staged...where exactly was it made...
There is no proof to back up anything you are stating here.

Have fun addressing my concerns! 😀

 

[kylebisme]

look at the video Orangat linked:

Originally posted by: orangat
Another video of Israeli settlers throwing stones.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fPXpL-Nydx4


This time there are Israeli soldiers present so there is no way that this is a Pallywood stunt.

 

[IrateLeaf]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
look at the video Orangat linked:

Originally posted by: orangat
Another video of Israeli settlers throwing stones.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fPXpL-Nydx4


This time there are Israeli soldiers present so there is no way that this is a Pallywood stunt.

YES!! I saw that and if you look closely you can tell that was also staged.
Give me a break.
A single Jewish flag hanging by what?
There is noway you can honestly believe that was not staged.
Unless of course it really makes no difference and you have your mind already made up..

What about this since we seem to be trading video`s...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ETrjbPWxyS8&mode=related&search= Palestinian Incitement: Children on a Mission to Kill Jews

or this...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GAbe4kXajAc&mode=related&search=
or this...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8lfkCR79Gtg&mode=related&search=
or this...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Wdjaq0GuDZA&mode=related&search=

the list goes on and on....

Just like people throw reason out the window because they would rather the list just keep going on and on.
On both sides children are being killed yet whose fault is it?
Its the fault of those who will not and refuse to address the issues.
Thats why until the issues get addressed you can bet for certain Israel is not going to back down.
theres a pattern here and its quite apparent.

leave Israel alone and there is peace.
Try to destroy Israel and you will never have peace.
What`s sad is that because people refuse to acknowledge Israel`s right to exist as a nation there will always be war.

Quite frankly I am tired of people imposing this whoa is me I am a martyr complex instead of saying lets talk.

Have fun. 😀

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: IrateLeaf
YES!! I saw that and if you look closely you can tell that was also staged.
Give me a break.
A single Jewish flag hanging by what?
There is noway you can honestly believe that was not staged.
Unless of course it really makes no difference and you have your mind already made up..

I understand that you aren't familiar with what Israeli settlements in Hebron look like, but at least you could watch the video long enough to see that there is much more too it than what you saw in the first little bit. And beyond that, here is another video from the same neighborhood:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1I8i0-hb818&mode=related&search=

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[IrateLeaf]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: IrateLeaf
YES!! I saw that and if you look closely you can tell that was also staged.
Give me a break.
A single Jewish flag hanging by what?
There is noway you can honestly believe that was not staged.
Unless of course it really makes no difference and you have your mind already made up..

I understand that you aren't familiar with what Israeli settlements in Hebron look like, but at least you could watch the video long enough to see that there is much more too it than what you saw in the first little bit. And beyond that, here is another video from the same neighborhood:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1I8i0-hb818&mode=related&search=

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I am not familiar?
I grew up in Israel. Sorry but you are dead wrong about that flag and that video being accurate.
I can take you to many places in the world that look like exactly that.
In america I believe they are called slums.
there are alot of places even in the United states that look like that.
What I find interesting is so many people claim to have been over to that part of the world.
yet when confronted about it, all they can tell you is about things they have read.


nuff said!

 

[kylebisme]

Again, please, watch past the bit with the flag.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: IrateLeaf


I am not familiar?
I grew up in Israel. Sorry but you are dead wrong about that flag and that video being accurate.

How many times did you visit Hebron? How much freedom did you have to travel the country?

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
he'd have been doing his job to put an end to kids throwing rocks at an unarmed woman with a camera.

Actually I believe his job is to protect the Settler kids, if the woman had throw some rocks, you would see some action

 

[Darthvoy]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: linkgoron
Well, that appears real (after hearing what they're saying, and hearing the kids talk).
I wouldn't say that it shows the Israel in any light whatsoever. Hevron is probably home to the most radical Israelis. They attack Israeli soldiers too...
Still, those kids should've gotten a good knee in the head from those peace guys... That soldier (it seems) is just one of those magavnicks or something, that pretty much had nowhere to go in the military and was just thrown there (well, it seems from the fact that he speaks half-assed English, and hearing his voice). While the soldier should be dealt with, talking to the kids parents won't help, because they've obviously been sent by their parents.

It isn't just in Hebron and that solder is far from alone in his attitude. You can find testimonials from many other solders who did far worse things and now regret there actions:

http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/

What's the point? That there are bad apples? Of course there are. It still doesn't make it official policy, and it isn't.

Yeah it just makes it unofficial policy. Rachel Corey (i think that was her name) was also bulldozed over by an Israeli soldier about a year or so back.

Yup, the website to Rachel's story is http://www.rachelcorrie.org she was bulldozed/crushed by an isreali while she tried to stop him from destroying a Palestinian family's home.

I used to support Israel, but not anymore

 

[IrateLeaf]

Rachel Corrie (April 10, 1979?March 16, 2003) was a member of the International Solidarity Movement (ISM) who traveled as an activist to the Gaza Strip during the Al-Aqsa Intifada. She was killed when she tried to obstruct an Israel Defense Forces (IDF) Caterpillar D9 bulldozer operating in a Palestinian residential area of Rafah, next to the border with Egypt - an area the IDF had designated a security zone and which contains a network of smuggling tunnels connecting Egypt to the Palestinian side of Rafah.

The circumstances of Corrie's death are disputed. ISM eyewitnesses say that the driver of the bulldozer deliberately ran her over twice while she was trying to prevent what they say might have been a house demolition. The IDF say the bulldozer driver did not see her; that the bulldozer was clearing brush and not engaged in a demolition; that Corrie was interfering with security operations designed to uncover the tunnels used by Hamas and other groups for smuggling weapons from Egypt; and that the cause of death was falling debris pushed over by the bulldozer.

ISM is am anti israeli movement cloaked behind such words as solidarity, peace and non violence.
This girl knew what she was getting into. She deliberately had a martyr complex! Why would she think she could stop a bulldozer single handedly?
Did`nt she realize this was the USA where people stop bulldozers all the time?

You obviously are using her death as a cop out. You should be honest and say that you never supported Israel. At least thats honest! 😀

 

[Aimster]

Im sure people inside Israel disagree with the actions of Israel over running over that young girl.

In fact it would be interesting to see poll numbers of how people felt about the situation from people living inside Israel.

It would not be 100-0.

Israelis are not barbarians.

 

[IrateLeaf]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Im sure people inside Israel disagree with the actions of Israel over running over that young girl.

In fact it would be interesting to see poll numbers of how people felt about the situation from people living inside Israel.

It would not be 100-0.

Israelis are not barbarians.

Actually you have to agree even though it was sad she lost her life. As an adult she could have moved away instead of standing her ground.
Some people honestly do have a martyr complex.
I would have to disagree and tell you that you would be suprised how many Israeli`s completely understand the why`s and wherefore`s concerning a home being buldozed.
especially when you take into account that most civilians are members of the military themselves.
Even alot of American Israeli`s have gone back to the homeland to serve. 😀

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: IrateLeaf
especially when you take into account that most civilians are members of the military themselves.

That is a good point, not brought up much though when talking about the victoms of the attacks on Israel.