Israeli Settler Kids Attacking Human Rights Workers

[orangat]

A report on the incident which includes more details.
http://www.palsolidarity.org/main/2006/06/15/iof-ignore-attacks

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: ThePresence
1. I don't know that they're human rights workers, I have no idea who they are or what they did.
2. I don't know that the voice is a soldier.
3. If it's a soldier he should be dealt with.

Not all soldiers do what they should be doing, as in every large army.
That doesn't make it official policy.

That being said this incident is a little clip without any context whatsoever. Is there a reason why they couldn't walk away from these 2 six year old kids? Were they trying to make a good video clip for YouTube?

They clearly ask the Israeli soldier for help and he doesn't assist them and it can be heard in the video. Just the fact that there was an Israeli adult standing around not doing anything to stop the kids is proof they condone their actions. Its good they stood around and continued to film to demonstrate the Israelis contempt towards others --it just shows the kind of hate Israelis pass on to their kids and this was reinforced by the fact that there was an Israeli adult and/or soldier standing around not willing to do anything.

So they help so the papers can get pictures of an Israel soldier beating kids?

Why would he need to beat them? He could simply shoo them away or go get their parents. As a soldier he has a duty to protect civilians, not just Israeli citizens. Unless in Israel they think its ok to assault foreigners?

Shoo away people throwing rocks? Think about this for a minute. Poor Israel soldiers, damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Why would you think they think its ok to assault foregners? That is exactly what he is not doing by not touching the kids. Oviously papers were around, if he had shooed them away you would be posting today

"Israel solider beats children in Lebannon!!!!!" and have a huge flamefest.

That has to be one of the weakest excuses for inaction I've ever read. The Israeli soldier was fearful of being portrayed of beating kids by simply shooing them away and calling their parents? Or better yet, maybe he was afraid the kids would kick HIS ass? That sounds like a better excuse. :roll:

So our tally for inane excuses by Israeli apologists so far are:

1. Doctored video
2. Israeli soldier is hot and missing his family
3. They're merely kids, they can't do as much damage as Palestinian teenagers thus it's ok.
4. Poor Israeli soldier was scared of being filmed as a brute for shoo'ing away kids so he let them continue to assault a woman.


I guess for Israeli supporters, it's ok to assault women. After all, she MUST have been a terrorist sympathizer for the kids to have lobbed rocks at her while the poor scared soldier stood by and watched. :roll:

Well..he had a gun, he wasn't scared. Again, why would he attack kids infront of Cameras? If you use your brain a little bit you can figure this one out, after all the bad press they get and if they accidently hurt a civilians its plastered all over the news I would be leary of attacking kids infront of press too.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: ThePresence
1. I don't know that they're human rights workers, I have no idea who they are or what they did.
2. I don't know that the voice is a soldier.
3. If it's a soldier he should be dealt with.

Not all soldiers do what they should be doing, as in every large army.
That doesn't make it official policy.

That being said this incident is a little clip without any context whatsoever. Is there reason why they couldn't walk away from these 2 six year old kids? Were they trying to make a good video clip for YouTube?

They clearly ask the Israeli soldier for help and he doesn't assist them and it can be heard in the video. Just the fact that there was an Israeli adult standing around not doing anything to stop the kids is proof they condone their actions. Its good they stood around and continued to film to demonstrate the Israelis contempt towards others --it just shows the kind of hate Israelis pass on to their kids and this was reinforced by the fact that there was an Israeli adult and/or soldier standing around not willing to do anything.

So they help so the papers can get pictures of an Israel soldier beating kids?

Why would he need to beat them? He could simply shoo them away or go get their parents. As a soldier he has a duty to protect civilians, not just Israeli citizens. Unless in Israel they think its ok to assault foreigners?

Shoo away people throwing rocks? Think about this for a minute. Poor Israel soldiers, damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Why would you think they think its ok to assault foregners? That is exactly what he is not doing by not touching the kids. Oviously papers were around, if he had shooed them away you would be posting today

"Israel solider beats children in Lebannon!!!!!" and have a huge flamefest.

That has to be one of the weakest excuses for inaction I've ever read. The Israeli soldier was fearful of being portrayed of beating kids by simply shooing them away and calling their parents? Or better yet, maybe he was afraid the kids would kick HIS ass? That sounds like a better excuse. :roll:

So our tally for inane excuses by Israeli apologists so far are:

1. Doctored video
2. Israeli soldier is hot and missing his family
3. They're merely kids, they can't do as much damage as Palestinian teenagers thus it's ok.
4. Poor Israeli soldier was scared of being filmed as a brute for shoo'ing away kids so he let them continue to assault a woman.


I guess for Israeli supporters, it's ok to assault women. After all, she MUST have been a terrorist sympathizer for the kids to have lobbed rocks at her while the poor scared soldier stood by and watched. :roll:

Well..he had a gun, he wasn't scared. Again, why would he attack kids infront of Cameras? If you use your brain a little bit you can figure this one out, after all the bad press they get and if they accidently hurt a civilians its plastered all over the news I would be leary of attacking kids infront of press too.

Once again and I'll repeat it: why would the soldier need to beat up the kids? He could simply tell them to piss off and/or notify their parents to restrain them, simple. I await your plethora of excuses for the "poor scared soldier" that refused to help a woman being battered by rocks.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Zebo
1. I can buy that attire anyplace, does'nt make me an Israeli. So can the palestinians for their production here.
2. They could be terroirst sympathizers, ISM members, or palestinians themselves.
3. The video's authors are the PLO Busted so many times lying, lying, lying, about everything - blatantly.
4. See #3 and consider the source.

There is no proof this video is authentic. She did'nt reveal her ID or credentials or the soldiers ID, or location date and time to do any authentication. Just the way they want it. Easy allusion and assumptions that just won't do for those require detailed knowledge of these things before assinging guilt.

There's absolutely no proof this video isn't authentic and all you've offered is speculation. Unless you can give me absolute proof that shows this video is fake it has to be viewed as authentic. Then again you're the same guy that posts articles from websites like Ynet and quotes reports from Christian Lebanese groups that are anti-Syrian as unconditional fact. Your crediblity is very suspect as it is.

That statement right there illustrates your (intentional?) complete misunderstanding of what actually goes on there. And Ynet is the website of Israel's largest daily newspaper, they normally criticize the Israeli government more than they support it.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Assuming this tape is what it purports to be, I agree the soldier should have acted. That being said, I fail to see how it's indicative of the "two-facedness of the Israelis" any more than the actions of Pvt Steven Green mean that "the Americans" are rapists, or than the incident at Haditha means that "the Americans" are butchers and murderers of civilians. This is ONE SOLDIER, not the entire Israeli military.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker.

In another thread this poster said

I don't trust Hezbollah nor do I trust their political enemies. The fact that you choose to accept their enemies speculations as fact doesn't mean it's true. Show me something credible like NPR or BBC proving without a doubt that Hezbollah did this and then I'll agree with you. Until then this report is b.s.

So how can he trust a video made by the palestinian terror groups media wing?

Why is he choosing to accept israels enemies line?

Does'nt the same NPR or BBC substantiation apply before it's credible?

Talk about double standards.

 

[her209]

The closest thing I could find was this story. In regards to the video in the OP, I'm not saying that it did or didn't happen because clearly something happened, we just don't know what.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Aimster
Well I for one am not one of those people who are suckered into this whole "If you disagree with Israel you must be pro-terrorist" crap.

However ...

Anyone who says something negative about the Palestinians throwing rocks is obviously bias or filled with hate.

Kind of like how your bias is shown when you bring up a similiar incident....

& Israelis are not two-faced. They are simply nationalist. You wont understand because that doesnt exist here in the U.S. Everyone loves to bash the U.S here. The people of this nation only come together when something like 9/11 happens. Now think about why the people of Israel are so united. They are always attacked by their neighbors...

Tell me something, are Israelis always attacked by their neighbors without reason or is there merit behind it at times? I can definitely acknowledge there are elements that surround Israel that would like to see it's destruction and no doubt conduct attacks against it. However, do you think Israel and it's citizens don't do the same and that they don't have their own set of terrorists? I was neutral about this just like you are before but since this recent conflict I've seen how brutal Israel can be and changed my opinion of the country.

Israel doesnt attack their neighbors unless their neighbors poked at Israel.

Hezbollah for example... they attacked soldiers.
Gaza... they kidnapped a soldier...

Israel whooped ass.

Israel is not attacking Egypt or Jordan ... so this proves they are not out to get the Arabs

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: ThePresence
1. I don't know that they're human rights workers, I have no idea who they are or what they did.
2. I don't know that the voice is a soldier.
3. If it's a soldier he should be dealt with.

Not all soldiers do what they should be doing, as in every large army.
That doesn't make it official policy.

That being said this incident is a little clip without any context whatsoever. Is there reason why they couldn't walk away from these 2 six year old kids? Were they trying to make a good video clip for YouTube?

They clearly ask the Israeli soldier for help and he doesn't assist them and it can be heard in the video. Just the fact that there was an Israeli adult standing around not doing anything to stop the kids is proof they condone their actions. Its good they stood around and continued to film to demonstrate the Israelis contempt towards others --it just shows the kind of hate Israelis pass on to their kids and this was reinforced by the fact that there was an Israeli adult and/or soldier standing around not willing to do anything.

So they help so the papers can get pictures of an Israel soldier beating kids?

Why would he need to beat them? He could simply shoo them away or go get their parents. As a soldier he has a duty to protect civilians, not just Israeli citizens. Unless in Israel they think its ok to assault foreigners?

Shoo away people throwing rocks? Think about this for a minute. Poor Israel soldiers, damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Why would you think they think its ok to assault foregners? That is exactly what he is not doing by not touching the kids. Oviously papers were around, if he had shooed them away you would be posting today

"Israel solider beats children in Lebannon!!!!!" and have a huge flamefest.

That has to be one of the weakest excuses for inaction I've ever read. The Israeli soldier was fearful of being portrayed of beating kids by simply shooing them away and calling their parents? Or better yet, maybe he was afraid the kids would kick HIS ass? That sounds like a better excuse. :roll:

So our tally for inane excuses by Israeli apologists so far are:

1. Doctored video
2. Israeli soldier is hot and missing his family
3. They're merely kids, they can't do as much damage as Palestinian teenagers thus it's ok.
4. Poor Israeli soldier was scared of being filmed as a brute for shoo'ing away kids so he let them continue to assault a woman.


I guess for Israeli supporters, it's ok to assault women. After all, she MUST have been a terrorist sympathizer for the kids to have lobbed rocks at her while the poor scared soldier stood by and watched. :roll:

Well..he had a gun, he wasn't scared. Again, why would he attack kids infront of Cameras? If you use your brain a little bit you can figure this one out, after all the bad press they get and if they accidently hurt a civilians its plastered all over the news I would be leary of attacking kids infront of press too.

Once again and I'll repeat it: why would the soldier need to beat up the kids? He could simply tell them to piss off and/or notify their parents to restrain them, simple. I await your plethora of excuses for the "poor scared soldier" that refused to help a woman being battered by rocks.

As I said, the kids were throwing rocks. So he tells the kids to shoo, what happens? Kids see the cameras and start throwing rocks at the soldier.

Now what does the soldier do?

You really need to think of this from the other point of view, or at least try too.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: 5150Joker.

In another thread this poster said

I don't trust Hezbollah nor do I trust their political enemies. The fact that you choose to accept their enemies speculations as fact doesn't mean it's true. Show me something credible like NPR or BBC proving without a doubt that Hezbollah did this and then I'll agree with you. Until then this report is b.s.

So how can he trust a video made by the palestinian terror groups media wing?

Why is he choosing to accept israels enemies line?

Does'nt the same NPR or BBC substantiation apply before it's credible?

Talk about double standards.

Quoting a story by some political dissident group and seeing a video account of an incident are two very different things and cannot be compared. Try again.

 

[Zebo]

Joker why don't you join the ISM and see just how innocent your buddies are and Evil Israeli are.. lots of disaffected college students do so only to have a culture shock from hell. Go ahread they recruit on many college campuses and will take anyone who will go to the West Bank and Gaza and become a human shield for PLO/Hamas and thier thugs. They love counterculture, college communists, anarchists, anyone with a gripe with the US or Israel. Jews the ISM really love to hide thier blatent antisemitism and goal of driving Israel into the sea..much the same way Nazi's loved the Jewish Police in the Warsaw Ghetto. If youre' Jewish they will even pay for all your expenses.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Joker why don't you join the ISM and see just how innocent your buddies are and Evil Israeli are.. lots of disaffected college students do so only to have a culture shock from hell. Go ahread they recruit on many college campuses and will take anyone who will go to the West Bank and Gaza and become a human shield for PLO/Hamas and thier thugs. They love counterculture, college communists, anarchists, anyone with a gripe with the US or Israel. Jews the ISM really love to hide thier blatent antisemitism and goal of driving Israel into the sea..much the same way Nazi's loved the Jewish Police in the Warsaw Ghetto. If youre' Jewish they will even pay for all your expenses.

On the same token why don't you go join the IDF and bulldoze some houses and shoot women and children? They're always looking for fresh anti-Muslim bigots to help with the slaughter. I don't hate Israel nor sympathize with the PLO/Hamas so I'd have no reason to go there. What I don't like is hypocrisy and a lot of unconditional Israeli supporters like you ooze it by the gallons.

 

[Zebo]

They told me I have to learn Hebrew and I'm too old🙁

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: ThePresence
1. I don't know that they're human rights workers, I have no idea who they are or what they did.
2. I don't know that the voice is a soldier.
3. If it's a soldier he should be dealt with.

Not all soldiers do what they should be doing, as in every large army.
That doesn't make it official policy.

That being said this incident is a little clip without any context whatsoever. Is there a reason why they couldn't walk away from these 2 six year old kids? Were they trying to make a good video clip for YouTube?

They clearly ask the Israeli soldier for help and he doesn't assist them and it can be heard in the video. Just the fact that there was an Israeli adult standing around not doing anything to stop the kids is proof they condone their actions. Its good they stood around and continued to film to demonstrate the Israelis contempt towards others --it just shows the kind of hate Israelis pass on to their kids and this was reinforced by the fact that there was an Israeli adult and/or soldier standing around not willing to do anything.

Anyone remember the fake propaganda video made by palestinians.. the one that was of a fake funeral... they were carrying a casket and the guy fell out of the casket and started walking

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Zebo
They told me I have to learn Hebrew and I'm too old🙁

Awww, guess they dashed your hopes of getting to kill a few of them evil "muzzies" eh? Hey i know! You could go blow up a mosque, that'll teach them! Since you've pretty much admitted to your desire to kill Muslim women and children, I can't take anything you say seriously from this point on. Hell rather than sit here on the forums dreaming of murdering them, you should find one on the street and try it. That way they can finally lock your ass up or better yet give you the electric chair of fun.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: ThePresence
1. I don't know that they're human rights workers, I have no idea who they are or what they did.
2. I don't know that the voice is a soldier.
3. If it's a soldier he should be dealt with.

Not all soldiers do what they should be doing, as in every large army.
That doesn't make it official policy.

That being said this incident is a little clip without any context whatsoever. Is there a reason why they couldn't walk away from these 2 six year old kids? Were they trying to make a good video clip for YouTube?

They clearly ask the Israeli soldier for help and he doesn't assist them and it can be heard in the video. Just the fact that there was an Israeli adult standing around not doing anything to stop the kids is proof they condone their actions. Its good they stood around and continued to film to demonstrate the Israelis contempt towards others --it just shows the kind of hate Israelis pass on to their kids and this was reinforced by the fact that there was an Israeli adult and/or soldier standing around not willing to do anything.

Anyone remember the fake propaganda video made by palestinians.. the one that was of a fake funeral... they were carrying a casket and the guy fell out of the casket and started walking

Never saw it and even if one did exist, it has no relevance to this one. You don't think the Israeli side disseminates propaganda? Hell they get mainstream media and right wing talk radio hosts to do it for them.

 

[dahunan]

I didn't watch the video yet in the first post.. *I will though

but here is what I found when searching

http://lists101.his.com/pipermail/intelforum/2003-February/006712.html

 

[dahunan]

I am stuck listening to my friend on the phone.. cannot listen to video .. :-(

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: dahunan
I didn't watch the video yet in the first post.. *I will though

but here is what I found when searching

http://lists101.his.com/pipermail/intelforum/2003-February/006712.html

"During the course of the funeral the 'corpse' was dropped and the 'dead'
Palestinian got up from the ground scaring many of the Palestinian marchers who
were not cognizant of the deception."


Sounds like a couple idiots got caught faking a corpse but nonetheless there was a real funeral taking place since it seemed to have rattled some of the marchers. But again, this has nothing to do with the video posted in this thread, it wasn't made by Palestinians from what I can tell nor has any evidence surfaced suggesting otherwise. So until there is, I'll take it at face value just like I took the video in the link above at face value.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Zebo
They told me I have to learn Hebrew and I'm too old🙁

Awww, guess they dashed your hopes of getting to kill a few of them evil "muzzies" eh? Hey i know! You could go blow up a mosque, that'll teach them! Since you've pretty much admitted to your desire to kill Muslim women and children, I can't take anything you say seriously from this point on. Hell rather than sit here on the forums dreaming of murdering them, you should find one on the street and try it. That way they can finally lock your ass up or better yet give you the electric chair of fun.

I did'nt admit any such thing. I wish to fight militant islam that wants to put every nation under than black flag of islam with no human rights, no habous corpus, no womens rights, terrorism etc that's infecting the world including muslims at the moment. But there are other ways - like get informed which you are far removed from. Instead you rely on ignorance and a narcissistic guilt trip to attack the only nation in all the middle east who values the things we value.

 

[Mardeth]

Geez, did you see the size of those stones?? Almost the size of my fist and thrown 3 feet away by 10-year-old. That could crack your skull if a sharp edge hit you. Anyway, I dont get the excuses, no kid in my whole country would do that and theres pretty much as many of us as them. And no soldier/ 99% of adults would condone it. Id be ashamed...

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: dahunan
I didn't watch the video yet in the first post.. *I will though

but here is what I found when searching

http://lists101.his.com/pipermail/intelforum/2003-February/006712.html

"During the course of the funeral the 'corpse' was dropped and the 'dead'
Palestinian got up from the ground scaring many of the Palestinian marchers who
were not cognizant of the deception."


Sounds like a couple idiots got caught faking a corpse but nonetheless there was a real funeral taking place since it seemed to have rattled some of the marchers. But again, this has nothing to do with the video posted in this thread, it wasn't made by Palestinians from what I can tell nor has any evidence surfaced suggesting otherwise. So until there is, I'll take it at face value just like I took the video in the link above at face value.

How do you get that there was a real funeral? Because some of the marchers THOUGHT there was means that there actually was?

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Zebo
They told me I have to learn Hebrew and I'm too old🙁

Awww, guess they dashed your hopes of getting to kill a few of them evil "muzzies" eh? Hey i know! You could go blow up a mosque, that'll teach them! Since you've pretty much admitted to your desire to kill Muslim women and children, I can't take anything you say seriously from this point on. Hell rather than sit here on the forums dreaming of murdering them, you should find one on the street and try it. That way they can finally lock your ass up or better yet give you the electric chair of fun.

I did'nt admit any such thing. I wish to fight militant islam that wants to put every nation under than black flag of islam with no human rights, no habous corpus, no womens rights, terrorism etc that's infecting the world at the moment. But there are other ways - like get informed which you are far removed from. Instead you rely on ignorance and a narcissistic guilt trip to attack the only nation in all the middle east who values the things we value.

Militant Islam is just a concoction by the West to put a face on the many political factions across the world that share a common religion. Do you think Chechnyan rebels and Hamas share common goals? I doubt it, both have their own agendas and the only thing that they have in common is religion. There isn't a single nation right now aside from Saudi Arabia that's under the control of the so-called "militant Islam" that you so vociferously oppose; As it turns out we support the Saudis with open arms while claiming to be waging the war for freedom, glory and all that other rubbish that gets red blooded idiots worked up. Despite claims by Israeli propaganda and supporters like you, the USA has no values in common with Israel. Israel is a state founded on the principal of religion, the USA is a secular state. Furthermore the US isn't engaged in territory grabs unlike Israel and it's unquenchable desire for settlement expansion at the expense of others.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Mardeth
Geez, did you see the size of those stones?? Almost the size of my fist and thrown 3 feet away by 10-year-old. That could crack your skull if a sharp edge hit you. Anyway, I dont get the excuses, no kid in my whole country would do that and theres pretty much as many of us as them. And no soldier/ 99% of adults would condone it. Id be ashamed...

Most of these so called human rights workers have a huge agenda. Their whole thing is to hassle soldiers day and night to try to provoke a reaction so they can catch a snippet on camera and demonize Israel. Did you stop and think why the kids are throwing rocks? What would they have against human rights workers? Why would they hate them?

This is all assuming they are who they say they are.

I'm not condoning rock throwing, and I think if there was a soldier there he's wrong for not stopping it. But this much is probably true: the soldier probably saw that they could just walk away from the 2 six year old kids if they wanted, they weren't any kind of danger. He probably saw that they were just doing this to try to get a vidclip, as many of these people so often do, and he probably reasoned that there was no need for him to get involved. Interesting too, how in the midst of this fearsome attack the guy was able to enquire if the camera was getting it all. Of course these are all assumptions, but they are educated guesses, not wild stabs in the dark.

 

[Gamer X]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Pallywood in action.

1. how do you know those were Israeli kids?
2. How do you know those were "human rights workers"?
3. how do you know those were Israeli soldiers?
4. how do you know it was in israel not Romalla?

Looks totally staged to me. No fear in her voice as as kids are lodging deadly weapons (bricks) at her and she does'nt think to leave the potentially deadly "assault"

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=52&threadid=1902559&enterthread=y

1. how do you know those were Hizbullah soldiers ?
2. how do you know this was in Lebanon no Israel ?