Israeli Nuke Whistleblower to be Released after 18 years

[DBL]

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: DBL

All this begs the question....

How would Arab countries such as Syria, Jordan, and Iran have dealt with a similar situation?



The answer to which begs the question....

Why focus on Israel, the only democracy in the region?

stop with that "Israel is the only democracy" crap, even if you have democracy it's you actions that counts. Don't use democracy as an excuse for your actions

Sure, but why the unhealthy fixation on Israel especially in regard to Israel?s judicial system, part of the only democratic government in the region?

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: KlixxerYou forgot to respond to the rest though.

Why the hell should I respond to that? Your agenda is quite clear, and as I said before, I have no interest in getting involved in an argument with someone who has no clue.

Calm down, you do not NEED to respond to anything, but my agenda is one questioning what you see as facts, that is all.

I think i have a clue, actually, i think i have more of a clue than you ever will because i do not choose to look the other way.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: biostud666No but please answer how the voters should have prevented a secret nuclear weapons program, when they knew nothing of it?

It's a moot point. Why would they WANT to prevent a program that helps ensure their country's future? Because some people doin't like it?
Besides, that's not the way democracy works. You vote for people whose decisions you trust. No, you will not know everything that they do, but nowhere in the world do you know everything that your elected reps. will do. You vote for someone whom you trust will make the right call. So if they didn't like what the country was doing, they should have voted for someone else!

If your government is keeping secrets about their actions, then it is NOT a democracy.

You can twist and turn sqeal and squirm but you can not convince anyone that a government with a secret agenda is a government of the people.

Every country does things that you do not know about. Is the US not a democracy? Do you know everything the CIA is doing? Of course not. You rely on the leaders you voted in to office to make the right call. If you disagree I think you're being naive.

I am not American, i am German. But, as you used the US government, i will bite, when the US started to produce nukes, they told everyone, not only their own population.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: DBL
All this begs the question....
How would Arab countries such as Syria, Jordan, and Iran have dealt with a similar situation?

The answer to which begs the question....
Why focus on Israel, the only democracy in the region?

So what you are saying is that others do the same, that excuse dosn't work, NK tortures their own population in what is known as the "Korean Gulag" does that mean it is ok for others to do the same?

Except for the US supported regimes (SA, Pakistan), yes, most of the middle east is democratic, even Iran.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: DBL
All this begs the question....
How would Arab countries such as Syria, Jordan, and Iran have dealt with a similar situation?

The answer to which begs the question....
Why focus on Israel, the only democracy in the region?

So what you are saying is that others do the same, that excuse dosn't work, NK tortures their own population in what is known as the "Korean Gulag" does that mean it is ok for others to do the same?

Except for the US supported regimes (SA, Pakistan), yes, most of the middle east is democratic, even Iran.

Pakistan isn't in the middle east.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: DBL
All this begs the question....
How would Arab countries such as Syria, Jordan, and Iran have dealt with a similar situation?

The answer to which begs the question....
Why focus on Israel, the only democracy in the region?

So what you are saying is that others do the same, that excuse dosn't work, NK tortures their own population in what is known as the "Korean Gulag" does that mean it is ok for others to do the same?

Except for the US supported regimes (SA, Pakistan), yes, most of the middle east is democratic, even Iran.

Pakistan isn't in the middle east.

You are correct, i should have typed "the region".

Thanx.

 

[Siwy]

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: DBL

All this begs the question....

How would Arab countries such as Syria, Jordan, and Iran have dealt with a similar situation?



The answer to which begs the question....

Why focus on Israel, the only democracy in the region?

stop with that "Israel is the only democracy" crap, even if you have democracy it's you actions that counts. Don't use democracy as an excuse for your actions

Sure, but why the unhealthy fixation on Israel especially in regard to Israel?s judicial system, part of the only democratic government in the region?

It is a healthy fixation, and the reason for it is you, and your fellow zealots. If anyone criticises Arab countries and their judicial system I doubt you will get any disagreement, yet when you criticise Israel, Zionists zealots from all over the web appear and spread their propaganda.

That is why it is important to criticize Israel and it's undemocratic, discriminatory laws. This way people not familiar with the situation do not get blinded by your deceptions.

 

[dababus]

In 1948, a scientist named Klaus Fuchs was sentenced to death for passing US nuclear secrets to the Soviets. Any country would regard that a well deserved punishment for passing on vital national secrets.

What Vanunu did was quite minor as compared to Klaus Fucus or Jonathan Pollard. But I regret that he had to suffer 12 years of solitary confinment.

I believe the Vanunu was recently nominated for Nobel Peace Prize.

People regard him as hero because of his bold stance over Isreal's nuclear capability and what he believed that world deserves to know. Vanunu's interview came years after Israel had blew up Iraq's reactor, which makes it quite clear to world that Israel want to maintain a nuclear monopolgy in the region and would not let any Arab nation to follow the same course.

 

[replicator]

It really depends on what side of the fence you are on and how you see it.

This guy didn't do this for profit (although he was going to be compensated), he genuinely believed that in a democratic nation, the people should know about nuclear weapons programmes so the issue can be debated. I tend to agree with this argument.

Regardless, i don't disagree that most countries would see it as treason. However, I think this guy has paid his dues and they shouldn't take away his basic rights when he is released. Let him leave Israel if they don't want him rather than keep him imprisoned outside of the jail walls.

 

[dababus]

If the country develops a nuclear arsenal in order to preserve its national soverignty, it is mandatory over the leaders to bring up the discussion about the country's nuclear posture. You can't keep your people in dark.