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BarrySotero
Banned
From 2007
"Revealed: Israel plans nuclear strike on Iran"
ISRAEL has drawn up secret plans to destroy Iran?s uranium enrichment facilities with tactical nuclear weapons.
"Two Israeli air force squadrons are training to blow up an Iranian facility using low-yield nuclear ?bunker-busters?, according to several Israeli military sources.
The attack would be the first with nuclear weapons since 1945, when the United States dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The Israeli weapons would each have a force equivalent to one-fifteenth of the Hiroshima bomb.
Under the plans, conventional laser-guided bombs would open ?tunnels? into the targets. ?Mini-nukes? would then immediately be fired into a plant at Natanz, exploding deep underground to reduce the risk of radioactive fallout.
?As soon as the green light is given, it will be one mission, one strike and the Iranian nuclear project will be demolished,? said one of the sources. "
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t...rld/article1290331.ece
"International community" does buy the US and Israeli concerns because Europe and Arabs share them.
themusgrat
Golden Member
I will be the first to agree that Iran's aggressive stance has nothing to do with Israel in any way. Iran is a peaceful nation that would never invoke the anger of other countries around it, especially Israel. Israel should feel safe at all times, because the whole world loves them.
StageLeft
No Lifer
*groan* been hearing this for years now. It may happen, but this sabre rattling has been going on forever.
Obviously Israel won't use nukes (which most feel they have several dozen of, I think) to do this, that's a non-starter.
Interesting that Israel is chum chum with Egypt over this. They are with Saudi, too.
Obviously Israel won't use nukes (which most feel they have several dozen of, I think) to do this, that's a non-starter.
Agree. It's not like they've been attacked a couple of times in the last several decades and the president of Iran who just won on fake elections has called for their destruction. I don't know what they're worried about.
Interesting that Israel is chum chum with Egypt over this. They are with Saudi, too.
Has anyone ever heard of exercises.
The US does it all the time.
The Soviets do it also.
So do many Arab countries.
This is being blown up (not in the article) by people here as something to panic over.
Modelworks
Lifer
The scary part is if Israel attacks Iran you can bet that some form of US government will be in on it. When has any country that has been overtaken not had US involvement in some way ?
Modelworks
Lifer
We always are involved in some way . It may be small like providing a satellite photo all the way up to providing intel or weapons, but in the end we always seem to have to put our two cents into it somewhere.
dphantom
Diamond Member
I think Israel will do what it needs to do in its national interest. Lack of US support will not be a deterrent.
As far as this exercise is concerned, I doubt it is an immediate prelude to anything. However, I do find it interesting the Egypt and Saudi Arabia are tacitly supporting the Israeli movement of ships and 1 diesal electric sub thru the Suez.
Lemon law
Lifer
dphantom alleges, " Don't get your knickers wadded up. Israel is the one country outside of the big 5 nuclear powers you can trust not to use nukes except in the case of national survival. There are other means to render unusable even those Iranian installations that are underground."
The problem is that Israeli saber rattling by a possibly nuclear armed missile carrying Israeli navy ships right off the Iranian coast cuts both ways. Especially when various terrorists groups not aligned with Iran in any way will be almost irresistibly tempted to take
pot shots at such a tempting Israeli target. And because most of that Israeli fleet engaged in Saber rattling are surface ships, they are sitting ducks once inside of the Persian gulf. In terms of even exocet missile class weapons of which Iran has a plethora of, anything in the Persian gulf is point blank range.
As I recall, GWB&co recently tried a similar stunt with a US air craft carrier, and Iran kept a cool head, and let the carrier sail in, circle around, and let the carrier sail out while pretending not to notice. It did not change Iranian policy in any way and hence was a waste of taxpayer bucks. But all it takes is one hot head to create carnage on all sides. With a guarantee every Israeli surface ship will be sunk. Meanwhile, unless Israelis willing to use nukes, such surface ships are far less effective than state of the arts planes and smart bombs in terms of taking out all deeply buried Iranian nuclear sites. And such a sortie of surface ships gives Iran somewhat the right to make their own pre-emtive strike.
The Israeli problem is and remains, Iran is too big, too distant, and too strong for Israel to attack.
But if its this thread is dedicated to the thesis that its merely Israeli saber rattling and thus a bluff, from the Israeli standpoint, it neatly avoids the problem of Israeli aircraft over fly rights over multiple countries, and accomplishes little else.
The problem is that Israeli saber rattling by a possibly nuclear armed missile carrying Israeli navy ships right off the Iranian coast cuts both ways. Especially when various terrorists groups not aligned with Iran in any way will be almost irresistibly tempted to take
pot shots at such a tempting Israeli target. And because most of that Israeli fleet engaged in Saber rattling are surface ships, they are sitting ducks once inside of the Persian gulf. In terms of even exocet missile class weapons of which Iran has a plethora of, anything in the Persian gulf is point blank range.
As I recall, GWB&co recently tried a similar stunt with a US air craft carrier, and Iran kept a cool head, and let the carrier sail in, circle around, and let the carrier sail out while pretending not to notice. It did not change Iranian policy in any way and hence was a waste of taxpayer bucks. But all it takes is one hot head to create carnage on all sides. With a guarantee every Israeli surface ship will be sunk. Meanwhile, unless Israelis willing to use nukes, such surface ships are far less effective than state of the arts planes and smart bombs in terms of taking out all deeply buried Iranian nuclear sites. And such a sortie of surface ships gives Iran somewhat the right to make their own pre-emtive strike.
The Israeli problem is and remains, Iran is too big, too distant, and too strong for Israel to attack.
But if its this thread is dedicated to the thesis that its merely Israeli saber rattling and thus a bluff, from the Israeli standpoint, it neatly avoids the problem of Israeli aircraft over fly rights over multiple countries, and accomplishes little else.
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