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flavio said:
I'm not sure what you're showing here. Back story? I'm not sure if you're trying to get us to hate these people or feel bad cause they are old.
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dont you recognize them? those are Ismaiil Haniya - Hamas PM, Khaled Mashaal - top Hamas arch-terrorist, and Mahmud Abbas (Abu-Mazen) - the Fatah leader after Arafath.

one thing's for sure, these fat-cats are in no way hungry.
these are the corrupt leaders and warmongers (delirious Flavio might refer to them as "freedom fighters") who brought the Palestinians to where they are today. honorable mentions - Yasser Arafath - may worms eat his corpse.

this is some sort of religious ceremony picture taken before Hamas took over Gaza probably,
because otherwise Abu-Mazen would've been shot on sight.


still funny though!
 
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It is funny that you don't have a clue about the subjects you vigorously discuss for pages: You repeat what you are made to believe, no idea about the real politics, customs, religion and the people of the region yet make so hard coded claims about subjects/conflicts of hundreds of years

this is some sort of religious ceremony picture taken before Hamas took over Gaza probably,
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It is the Hajj, anyone with a knowledge of ME would recognize the unique dressing. Hah !
 
Oric said:
It is funny that you don't have a clue about the subjects you vigorously discuss for pages: You repeat what you are made to believe, no idea about the real politics, customs, religion and the people of the region yet make so hard coded claims about subjects/conflicts of hundreds of years
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hundreds of year? riiiggghhhttt....
i know the poeple and politics of the region quite well in fact, i can see "the poeple" from my window. (and not in the way Sarah Palin can see Russia).

Oric said:
It is the Hajj, anyone with a knowledge of ME would recognize the unique dressing. Hah !
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well excuse me for not being Muslim and never visiting Mecca. you are arguing technicalities. my facts still stand: those are the people, that's what they've done.
 
flavio said:
I'm not sure what you're showing here. Back story? I'm not sure if you're trying to get us to hate these people or feel bad cause they are old.
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For a person who can instantly recognize oppressed people, are so well-versed with the concept of peaceful protests etc.., I'm a little surprised that you can't recognize a few well-fed people with flesh folds and beards to hide the double-chins who claim to be starving because Israel has blockaded Gaza.
 
looks like Israel is attempting to deliver the supplies that were on the ship to Gaza and Hamas is refusing them. 🙄

humanitarian crisis indeed... damn Israel for trying to send supplies to people trying to kill them 😕
 
loki8481 said:
Fatalities on Gaza Flotilla Said to Include U.S. Citizen
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Well, there are Americans and then there are Americans like Faisal Shezad, Nidal Hassan, Anwar al-Awlaki etc.. We still have to wait until the Turkish Govt. has finished milking the situation for all it's propaganda value to ascertain whether this is even true. Even if it were, the guy was of Turkish descent and I would hazard a guess that he would have ideological leanings closer to the nuts mentioned above and most Americans would be glad that they're rid of him.
 
loki8481 said:
looks like Israel is attempting to deliver the supplies that were on the ship to Gaza and Hamas is refusing them. 🙄

humanitarian crisis indeed... damn Israel for trying to send supplies to people trying to kill them 😕
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Israel offered to let the "peace activists" debark in Ashdod to unload their cargo under Israeli watch to ensure no weapons were involved before the whole mess began, the convoy refused. Their only purpose was to get their asses kicked and be martyrs.

Honestly I don't see how Israel could have handled this situation any better. They used extreme minimal force to take over the ship, even at severe risk to their own lives. If this was Russia or China enforcing a blockade they would have just blown all of the ships out of the water and no one would have given a damn.
 
QuantumPion said:
Israel offered to let the "peace activists" debark in Ashdod to unload their cargo under Israeli watch to ensure no weapons were involved before the whole mess began, the convoy refused. Their only purpose was to get their asses kicked and be martyrs.

Honestly I don't see how Israel could have handled this situation any better. They used extreme minimal force to take over the ship, even at severe risk to their own lives. If this was Russia or China enforcing a blockade they would have just blown all of the ships out of the water and no one would have given a damn.
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You are missing the point. The whole exercise was not about delivering aid to Gaza but about embarrassing Israel and, boy, has it succeeded. The minute the Turkish govt. "blessed" the voyage and had it originate from their part of Cyprus (btw, who's going to talk about Turkey's role in that partition?), Israel should have changed tack and understood that it would not only be about the "humanitarian" issue, but how it played out internationally and taken measures to see that no one was killed, even if it meant deaths on their side. That would have given them the moral advantage next time and the line "We've been lenient this time, but we're gonna kick your a*s if you try this stunt next time". The Islamist Governments are skilfully exploiting the very strength that has kept Israel going so far, viz. the "take no prisoners" and a "hundred eyes for an eye" which works well with two-bit thugs like Nasrallah and Haniyeh, but falls flat in the face of this cleverly disguised propaganda assault by a country with international standing like Turkey. Much as Israel would like to keep Turkey on it's side, the realities have changed with the Islamists taking power there. It should adjust accordingly.

And you don't bite the hand that feeds you. Whoever planned the announcement of settlements when Joe Biden was visiting, should be summarily booted out, even if it reaches Netanyahu. The nuts running Iran, Syria and now Turkey have correctly surmised that they have a bunch of neophytes in Washington with a jive-talking first time Senator as President and just need them to make a couple of guilt-ridden errors (like Carter did with the Shah) for them to come out on top. His "we're sorry" Middle East tour and the public berating of Israel by Hilary surely had a part to play in the calculus of this trip.
 
Sorry, pie eyed grebe, 404 link to Obama being a jive talking neophyte not found anywhere in the handling of this entire Israeli ship boarding incident.

As far as I can see Obama is playing this out like a professional and keeping all US options open.

Its now Israel v the rest of the world, and we can all wait and see how events play out.

But in the end, I would not be bullish on Netanyuhu futures. Israel is scoring no points for being defiant. Something many in Israel are confronting, acknowledging, and are ready to move to the next political steps.
 
Borealis7 said:
dont you recognize them? those are Ismaiil Haniya - Hamas PM, Khaled Mashaal - top Hamas arch-terrorist, and Mahmud Abbas (Abu-Mazen) - the Fatah leader after Arafath.

one thing's for sure, these fat-cats are in no way hungry.
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So if these 3 guys aren't starving then there's no problem? Logic doesn't work that way.

You had no point.
 
QuantumPion said:
Israel offered to let the "peace activists" debark in Ashdod to unload their cargo under Israeli watch to ensure no weapons were involved before the whole mess began, the convoy refused. Their only purpose was to get their asses kicked and be martyrs.
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Israel offered to steal a lot of the aid by enforcing an illegal blockade.

Honestly I don't see how Israel could have handled this situation any better. They used extreme minimal force to take over the ship, even at severe risk to their own lives. If this was Russia or China enforcing a blockade they would have just blown all of the ships out of the water and no one would have given a damn.
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Wrong, people certainly would have given a damn had Russia or China attacked the humanitarian vessel. Israel fucked up big time.
 
grebe925 said:
You are missing the point. The whole exercise was not about delivering aid to Gaza but about embarrassing Israel and, boy, has it succeeded.
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How am I missing the point, I said basically the same thing and agree with you. 😛

My point was that there wasn't anything Israel could have done better to avoid the situation (they used tear gas and paint ball guns, and only resorted to shooting when they were being violently attacked). The only alternatives were to either use deadly force right off the bat or let the ship through unimpeded.
 
flavio said:
Israel offered to steal a lot of the aid by enforcing an illegal blockade.
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What are you, a baby? You are aware of course that Israel provides Gaza with huge amounts of aid, to the very same people that barrage Israel with rocket attacks?

Tuesday, May 18, 2010


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JERUSALEM, Israel - Israel transferred more than 14,000 tons of humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip last week, the IDF Spokesperson's Office reported.
In addition to the deliveries, 781 patients and those accompanying them from the Gaza Strip and Judea and Samaria were transported to Israel for medical treatment.
One hundred ninety-one staff members from international organizations entered Gaza and 202 staffers entered Israel from the Strip.
Among the products transported to Gaza were the following:

  • 810,209 liters of heavy-duty diesel fuel for the power station
  • 21 truckloads of milk powder and baby food
  • 897 tons of cooking gas
  • 66 truckloads of fruits and vegetables
  • 51 truckloads of wheat
  • 27 truckloads of meat, chicken and fish
  • 40 truckloads of dairy products
  • 117 truckloads of animal feed
  • 36 truckloads of hygiene products
  • 22 truckloads of sugar
  • 38 truckloads of clothing and shoes
  • 4 truckloads of medicine and medical equipment
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Doboji said:
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I think one day the Jews in America will die under the KKK. then Jews will know what bad karma is.
Wow... bigoted much?
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Nah. Nobody likes Jews. Can you tell me who in history aside from Americans love Jews? Jews used to have the world's sympathy. Now the word Jew is become scum quickly, all this in a couple generations. Keep it up Jewish people.
 
flavio said:
Israel offered to steal a lot of the aid by enforcing an illegal blockade.
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You repeating this doesn't make it true. If it was an illegal blockaide then why was Egypt involved? Why are they lifting it for a few days if not a few weeks only to put it back in place at a later time once the coverage dies away.


Wrong, people certainly would have given a damn had Russia or China attacked the humanitarian vessel. Israel fucked up big time.
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This was not a humanitarian vessel. This was a vessel bent on running a LAWFUL military blockaded. How hard is it for you to grasp this concept?

If they were truly on a humanitarian mission they could of gone through the proper channels to get their aid to the "starving people in Gaza". Of course this was not the primary concern for their flotilla though was it? How many humanitarian organizations are armed and ready to fight with weapons as they deliver aid? None because their main concerns is not starting a fight but with getting their aid to those they are trying to help.

The primary concern for this flotilla of fail sauce was to achieve martyrdom and create a scene in which they could stir up hate for Israel based on false pretense of being a "aid flotilla".
 
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It's completely absurd debating with the knights of Human Rights, who support Hamas, Iran and even now Islamist Turkey (Arduan's government is another example of why Islam, ultimately, can never mix with secular rulings). I'd bet some good money that had OBL attacked Israel, jpeyton would justify it somehow (land theft, Palestinians, etc etc).

Basically the liberal mob is upset of Israel proudly standing on its feet after so many ill fated attempts to destroy it by their Muslim homeboys.

Look at Turkish government as an example of the people who lead the campaign to delegitimize Israel: Israel equipped their army and trained their soldiers, had numerous joint ventures with them, and released their terrorist citizens unconditionally. Turkish medical personnel who arrived at Israel to collect the injured said the Israeli treatment was outstanding, but all of that didn't stop Arduan from claiming Israel "doped" and mistreated them. What a bunch of scumbags.

The problem is that Israel is trying to act nicely in hopes that the bias against it will shift. It won't be like that forever though. Lets see big mouth Arduan sending war ships to escort the next flotilla.

Look at the bright side: news sites have began covering the links between IHH and radical Islamist movements, and IDF's videos from the incident are the most watched thing on YouTube right now. If Israel firmly establishes the link between the Gaza supporters and international terror for all the independent onlookers, this incident might not be so bad after all.
 
DucatiMonster696 said:
You repeating this doesn't make it true. If it was an illegal blockaide then why was Egypt involved? Why are they lifting it for a few days if not a few weeks only to put it back in place at a later time once the coverage dies away.
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Logically Egypt being involved or lifting it temporarily has no effect on it's legality.

This was not a humanitarian vessel. This was a vessel bent on running a LAWFUL military blockaded. How hard is it for you to grasp this concept?
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It was both a humanitarian vessel and one that was determined to ignore an illegal blockade. How hard is it for you to grasp this concept?

If they were truly on a humanitarian mission they could of gone through the proper channels to get their aid to the "starving people in Gaza".
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Proper channels would be to take the aid to Gaza without letting Israel steal much of it with their illegal bloackade.


Of course this was not the primary concern for their flotilla though was it? How many humanitarian organizations are armed and ready to fight with weapons as they deliver aid?
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Armed? You mean with those tools and kitchen supplies? LOL.

The primary concern for this flotilla of fail sauce was to achieve martyrdom and create a scene in which they could stir up hate for Israel based on false pretense of being a "aid flotilla".
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The concern for the flotilla was to deliver aid or expose Israel's illegal blockade. Achieved.
 
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