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senseamp said:
So is Israel going to keep killing civilians? Turks are considering sending Naval escorts for their ships. As you may remember, Turkey is a NATO ally, while Israel is not, so an attack by Israel on a Turkish ship would be an attack by Israel on all of NATO, including the US. So at that point it's going to be decision time, do we dissolve NATO over Israel?
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Per Islamic terrorist propaganda, you keep referring to the dead as civilians even though it was an angry mob using deadly violence against soldiers. Israel should kill anyone that attacks its soldiers. I would demand we do the same for ours.

As for Turkey, it would be running an Israeli naval blockade. It is the aggressor who should be removed from NATO. I do not want enemy nations in NATO.
 
Jaskalas said:
Per Islamic terrorist propaganda, you keep referring to the dead as civilians even though it was an angry mob using deadly violence against soldiers. Israel should kill anyone that attacks its soldiers. I would demand we do the same for ours.
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Or it could let civilian supplies through unimpeded and avoid killing any civilians at all.
As for Turkey, it would be running an Israeli naval blockade. It is the aggressor who should be removed from NATO. I do not want enemy nations in NATO.
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So you are for NATO dissolution over Israel then?
 
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Yes, Israel is heroically enforcing a blockade to stop coriander from reaching Gaza 😀
 
Freshgeardude said:
when hamas lobs rockets and mortars at israeli civilians, i hardly feel any sympathy for those who voted hamas into power in the first place.
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And do you feel a similar lack of sympathy for Israel because they have, over the years, elected as their prime ministers two men who were known to be former heads of terrorist organizations and a once-disgraced former Defense Minister who was found, by an Israeli commission, to be responsible (albeit indirectly) for massacres of civilians?
 
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senseamp said:
So is Israel going to keep killing civilians? Turks are considering sending Naval escorts for their ships. As you may remember, Turkey is a NATO ally, while Israel is not, so an attack by Israel on a Turkish ship would be an attack by Israel on all of NATO, including the US. So at that point it's going to be decision time, do we dissolve NATO over Israel?
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Nice spin, but NATO is a defensive pact. That means that if Turkey chooses to invade Israel territory on its own - an act of war - the fact it is a member of NATO has no implications.
 
SamurAchzar said:
Nice spin, but NATO is a defensive pact. That means that if Turkey chooses to invade Israel territory on its own - an act of war - the fact it is a member of NATO has no implications.
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Turkey can choose to escort its ships in international waters. Attack on one member of NATO is an attack on all.
 
senseamp said:
Turkey can choose to escort its ships in international waters. Attack on one member of NATO is an attack on all.
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Oh sure, sure, they can cross the Atlantic for all that I care; in order to reach Gaza, they have to go through recognized Israeli water, and without a permit from Israel, that would be a direct act of war. Look, there's not much to interpret here. Don't try to be a smartass.
 
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SamurAchzar said:
Oh sure, sure, they can cross the Atlantic for all that I care; in order to reach Gaza, they have to go through recognized international water, and without a permit from Israel, that would be a direct act of war. Look, there's not much to interpret here. Don't try to be a smartass.
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Going through international water is an act of war? Attacking a ship in international waters however, is an direct act of war, and an act of war on one NATO member is an act of war on ALL NATO members.
 
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poohbear said:
From any neutral perspective, Israel killing civilians in international waters is wrong. Period.

Israel was WRONG here, just call it for what it is people. The next time a Palestinian group does something wrong, and that's a sure thing, call THEM wrong, end of story. Stop being pathetic apologists for Israel/Palestinians.
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Why do you get to declare those aboard that ship "civilians"? Were they acting civilly? You're just as much a hypocrite as anyone you are trying to call out.

That's the whole point of what Israel is facing, an enemy who uses "civilians" in combat.
 
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senseamp said:
Turkey can choose to escort its ships in international waters. Attack on one member of NATO is an attack on all.
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sure international waters, but the second they reach the israeli blockade, israel will legally be allowed to destroy the turkish ships and the rest of NATO will, according the the defensive pact, punish, if not otherwise invade turkey.


turkey knows this very well. this is why turkey wont try anything. they still have an israeli embassy remember and they arent stating they want to kick out israel.
 
Jaskalas said:
You are aggrandizing favor for what would be a hostile act of aggression by Turkey. It comes as no surprise that you’d spin this in favor of Islamic terrorism.
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Humanitarian aid is now supporting Islamic terrorism? Stop it with the hyperbole.
 
Freshgeardude said:
sure international waters, but the second they reach the israeli blockade, israel will legally be allowed to destroy the turkish ships and the rest of NATO will, according the the defensive pact, punish, if not otherwise invade turkey.


turkey knows this very well. this is why turkey wont try anything. they still have an israeli embassy remember and they arent stating they want to kick out israel.
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Israel is not in NATO, it has no pact that NATO states defend it if attacked. Turkey on the other hand, does.
 
Narmer said:
Humanitarian aid is now supporting Islamic terrorism? Stop it with the hyperbole.
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There is an Israel apologist PR playbook for this online, I'll find the link later. Basically when in doubt, just whip out the "Islamic terrorism" BS. If that fails, then maybe do the whole "nazi" comparison nonsense.
 
senseamp said:
There is an Israel apologist PR playbook for this online, I'll find the link later. Basically when in doubt, just whip out the "Islamic terrorism" BS. If that fails, then maybe do the whole "nazi" comparison nonsense.
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And I'm sure there is a "progressive" Palestinian apologist PR playbook.

You're not God's gift to the internet.

Get over yourself.
 
senseamp said:
Israel is not in NATO, it has no pact that NATO states defend it if attacked. Turkey on the other hand, does.
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sure, my mistake, i forgot it was europe and north america, BUT

this is a defensive military pact.

if israel attacks turkish territory, nato can respond.


if turkey is the agressors, which if they send war ships into israeli water, then israel has every right to protect itself and nato will not protect turkey. if turkey starts a war with israel, expect them to be kicked out of nato
 
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