israeli navy fires on Gaza aid flotilla

[grebe925]

Wrong, many of them at least were peace activists. That doesn't matter though. Defending your ship from an attacking force trying to lower armed forces from a helicopter in international waters in the night when you've done nothing illegal is completely understandable.

I can't believe many here act like that is acceptable protocol. Israelis did something incredibly stupid.

One of the basic tenets of non-violent resistance is to call off a protest if the protesters turn on the oppressors. Gandhi called off innumerable such protests against the British when it happened. The idea is to highlight the justness of your cause against the oppression of a superior force.

In this case, what we have is a mob which came prepared for a fight. To call them peace activists is laughable.

Once again, you can't use the letter of the law of the seas to kill it's spirit. These guys were using it to tweak Israel's nose, with the added danger of potential smuggling of arms into Gaza. If anything, it is these faux-peaceniks who have jeopardized maritime travel and trade with their antics, much like the 9/11, shoe-bomber and underwear bomber criminals who now have made air travel so difficult for the rest of us.

 

[theflyingpig]

I have said it before and I'll say it again: Israel should be wiped of the map.

No, not Israel. Gaza. Gaza should be wiped off the map. Really, who would even notice? The Palestinians contribute nothing to the world, that is why no one with power will do anything to help them. Everyone knows this.

 

[Red Dawn]

That my point really. Attacking those soldiers was "more than defend myself". The soldiers responded in kind, exactly as they should have. I'm saying those who died were not innocent, as they deserved it for their actions.

Well the4 same could be said for those soldiers boarding that ship. Why didn't they wait until that ship was in their waters or just block it with one of their warships until the Israeli's were given permission to board and inspect? If that ship refused the Israeli's just could have prevented it from docking.

IMO boarding that ship was a bad move by the Israeli's, shooting in defense of their soldiers though was the only thing they could do to save them after they fucked up.

 

[Harabec]

The plan was to take control of the ship at night, the level of resistance the soldiers met was unexpected.
Now my tax money is wasted treating and feeding worthless activists, hope they're kicked out soon.

 

[Powered by AMD]

I just take acknowledge of this, and Im very angry with those who still support the terrorist state of Israel, they attack civilians, destroys hospitals, every day, and now they assault ships with humanitarian help for those who are suffering in gaza.

Please dont support Israel anyomore! Thay are the worst terrorist, because they kill every day and they are in a territory which is Palestinian. This last act of terrorist against the ship should be the last!

 

[SamurAchzar]

I just take acknowledge of this, and Im very angry with those who still support the terrorist state of Israel, they attack civilians, destroys hospitals, every day, and now they assault ships with humanitarian help for those who are suffering in gaza.

Please dont support Israel anyomore! Thay are the worst terrorist, because they kill every day and they are in a territory which is Palestinian. This last act of terrorist against the ship should be the last!

Yes, you're right! You all should support the Palestinians instead! The inventors of the "suicide bombers" and the homemade anti-population rocket, knights of freedom, human rights and secularism. Support them, because they were unable to lynch the Jewish population back in 1948 - they certainly deserve a shot now! 🙄 Fucktard.

Everyone who thinks this flotilla should have gone through needs to understand: The only reason Israelis don't blow up in buses and cafes every Monday and Thursday is because of the strict means IDF employs to control Palestinian movement and armament. Sharon let them have Gaza, not a permit to arm themselves with the best Iran and N. Korea have to provide (like Hizballah). Just like the separation wall, while this might seem cruel and oppressive, that's the only solution saving Israeli lives every fucking day.

Before these measures were enacted, thousands of Israeli civilians (not Hamas style civilians, real civilians) were murdered over a period of 15 years (since the beginning of the Oslo peace accords, which idiot Rabin then labeled as "victims of the peace process"). Today, with these measures and improved IDF tactics, they are barely able to stab Jews, let alone blow up buses.

While today IDF has the ability and technology to prevent invasions of terrorists from Gaza, it will only remain effective in protecting Israeli lives as long as Hamas can not acquire long range weapons (such as Grad rockets). Until someone can assure Israel that this situation will remain, I don't see any right for Israeli politicians to end the blockade and put their southern population in grave danger.

 

[dahunan]

Here is what the ships cargo included http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8654337.stm Quote: Originally Posted by BBC The BBC has received information from reliable sources that there are currently 81 items that are approved for import (to Gaza)- from kidney beans to tinned meat - and as of March, shoes. Among the large range of goods currently forbidden are jam, chocolate, wood for furniture, fruit juice, textiles, and plastic toys.

I am sure everyone here would just be SOOOO THANKFUL the Israelis allow them to have SHOES... isn't that so sweeeeeeeeet of them... to finally give the Palestinians permission to HAVE NEW SHOES...

^^^^^^^^^^this makes me a bleeding heart lover of Zionism... oh I love them so much... look at how they care and protect and treat their neighbors so well ... God Bless The Zionists... funny thing about Zionists... they think they are more important than even their own God :lol:

 

[tvarad]

I think Israel has it's work cut out in this change of tactics by those who are eternally seeking it's demise. I would have thought that they would have infiltrated these outfits and gathered enough information on their actual plans and strategize accordingly, rather than assume their overwhelming firepower will save the day for them. Rappelling down ropes into a uncertain situation was dumb, dumb, dumb!

At the very least, they should stop pretending that after the Islamists' takeover of Turkey, the relationship would continue as before. This is a coup for the Islamist party, as they have checkmated the secularists at home too into supporting their agenda.

 

[dahunan]

bla bla bla.

You think stealing land doesn't get anyone upset.. You wrote all that as though your little Israel is so sweet and kind and never murdered innocent people ever in her existence ..

Look at those ingredients they ALLOW the Palestinians to import..

Palestinians = HOW MANY people

at least they can have shoes... I love you and your wonderful people who allow their neighbors to buy shoes... giant hugs all around...

 

[Lemon law]

The end questions are all going to have to be settled by the international community.

At least IMHO, its long past time to end any authority Israel has to administer Gaza in any way, and by extension we must next turn world attention on the Israeli authority to administer all lands captured during the 1967&73 wars.

Those are the mistakes the world made in 1967&73, and because we let the Israeli Fox administer the disputed henhouse, its no surprise that we do not have any progress on a just mid-east peace.

The first step answer to a just mid-east peace is rather simple, we need to get a non biased entity to administer the disputed territories and fire the biased administer in Israel.

 

[SamurAchzar]

You think stealing land doesn't get anyone upset.. You wrote all that as though your little Israel is so sweet and kind and never murdered innocent people ever in her existence ..

Look at those ingredients they ALLOW the Palestinians to import..

Palestinians = HOW MANY people

at least they can have shoes... I love you and your wonderful people who allow their neighbors to buy shoes... giant hugs all around...

Israel didn't "steal" land from the "Palestinians", it won that land, in a bloody war, from Jordan and Egypt. Do you dispute this? Well I didn't think so.

Now, if it was any other nation around the world but Israel, it would have been allowed to keep that, but it's Israel, so it plays under stricter rules than the rest.

Regarding what should and should not be imported: I don't agree with the way it's conducted, and certainly I don't think Israel should be the one denying them from footwear. I don't think Israel's actions are 100% justified and I wish the Palestinians would have their peaceful country, in which they would govern themselves and prosper. Unfortunately both you and I know that a Palestinian state would follow the Hizballah model, not the Dubai model.

Now, I think it's very bad for Israel to be in this position, for many reasons. It's a cursed situation - but when the alternative is dozens of dead Israelis every month, Israel's public image would have to suffer. So far it's working.

 

[nageov3t]

The end questions are all going to have to be settled by the international community.

At least IMHO, its long past time to end any authority Israel has to administer Gaza in any way, and by extension we must next turn world attention on the Israeli authority to administer all lands captured during the 1967&73 wars.

Those are the mistakes the world made in 1967&73, and because we let the Israeli Fox administer the disputed henhouse, its no surprise that we do not have any progress on a just mid-east peace.

The first step answer to a just mid-east peace is rather simple, we need to get a non biased entity to administer the disputed territories and fire the biased administer in Israel.

so when Israel lifts the blockade and arms start getting funneled back into Gaza and the rockets start dropping on Israel again, will Israel be justified in turning Gaza into a parking lot? because that's what any other country would do if a neighboring country attacked them the way that the legal government of Gaza attacked Israel.

question for all the pro-hamas'ers on the forum... how do you propose that Israel lifts the blockade and allows any and all ships to reach Gaza without being inspected while simultaneously preventing Gaza from resuming rocket bombardment of israel?

 

[Red Dawn]

so when Israel lifts the blockade and arms start getting funneled back into Gaza and the rockets start dropping on Israel again, will Israel be justified in turning Gaza into a parking lot? because that's what any other country would do if a neighboring country attacked them the way that the legal government of Gaza attacked Israel.

question for all the pro-hamas'ers on the forum... how do you propose that Israel lifts the blockade and allows any and all ships to reach Gaza without being inspected while simultaneously preventing Gaza from resuming rocket bombardment of israel?

Well I'm not pro Hamas and I don't think the blockade should be lifted, I just think the boardings and inspections should be done in territorial waters not international waters.

 

[nageov3t]

Well I'm not pro Hamas and I don't think the blockade should be lifted, I just think the boardings and inspections should be done in territorial waters not international waters.

according to Gaza, Israel doesn't exist, so how can it even have territorial waters?

 

[LTC8K6]

You think stealing land doesn't get anyone upset.. You wrote all that as though your little Israel is so sweet and kind and never murdered innocent people ever in her existence ..

Look at those ingredients they ALLOW the Palestinians to import..

Palestinians = HOW MANY people

at least they can have shoes... I love you and your wonderful people who allow their neighbors to buy shoes... giant hugs all around...

What makes you think that is an accurate account of the cargo and of the blockade, though?

There are certainly other accounts out there. How did you decide which one was accurate?

 

[Red Dawn]

according to Gaza, Israel doesn't exist, so how can it even have territorial waters?

Don't be stupid.

 

[LTC8K6]

It's funny that Egypt also has a blockade of Gaza...yet we see no outcry about it. It's been in place for years.

They just lifted it, of course, to help out with the suffering over Israel's "unprovoked" attack of the "peace flotilla".

 

[Sinsear]

Gaza should be wiped off the map. Really, who would even notice? The Palestinians contribute nothing to the world. Everyone knows this.

Truer words were never spoken.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Truer words were never spoken.

Well I don't think they should be harmed in any way, it's their right to be unproductive. However they should not be able to harm Israel, as this is the one thing that they are devoted to, before governing and before making economical progress (and there's concrete data to back my claim).

 

[KMFJD]

It's illuminating how Muslims hold Israel to a higher standard than Muslims hold themselves.

 

[Borealis7]

i heard a recording on the radio of the communications between the Israeli ship and the Marmara ship.
the Israeli officer, using the Queen's English no less, informed the ship they are violating a blockade, that they must stop, and prepare to be inspected.
the response from the Marmara was "(incoherent turkish ramblings)...Jihad Jihad Jihad"

i'll try to see if anyone has upped this recording on any website, it was hilarious.

 

[jpeyton]

Israel got so badly outmaneuvered by the flotilla, it's a little embarrassing seeing some of you still trip over yourselves trying to defend them.

It reminds me of the 2008 Presidential election. Remember that fateful Black Monday when McCain said "the fundamental of our economy are strong"? It didn't really matter if his statement was factually correct or not; the bad PR from that one statement alone killed his campaign.

It doesn't really matter who claimed who attacked first; Israel's handling of this situation was embarrassingly bad.

EDIT: Repercussions from Israel's idiocy are already showing up a day later.

Egypt opens Gaza border: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6502H820100601

AHAHAHAHAHA

 

[SamurAchzar]

Israel got so badly outmaneuvered by the flotilla, it's a little embarrassing seeing some of you still trip over yourselves trying to defend them.

It reminds me of the 2008 Presidential election. Remember that fateful Black Monday when McCain said "the fundamental of our economy are strong"? It didn't really matter if his statement was factually correct or not; the bad PR from this one statement alone killed his campaign.

IDF isn't in the PR business. They had a task - enforce Israeli sovereignty - and they enforced it. Surely the images of your homeboys lynching the soldiers doesn't help your Jihad cause.

 

[nageov3t]

Israel got so badly outmaneuvered by the flotilla, it's a little embarrassing seeing some of you still trip over yourselves trying to defend them.

It reminds me of the 2008 Presidential election. Remember that fateful Black Monday when McCain said "the fundamental of our economy are strong"? It didn't really matter if his statement was factually correct or not; the bad PR from this one statement alone killed his campaign.

if you think that dying is such an awesome PR tactic, is there any reason why you aren't signing up to attack the IDF on the next flotilla?

hell, why not use your tactic to protest the Iraq war? go fire a gun at a soldier, I'm sure you'll generate a lot of publicity.

 

[grebe925]

It's illuminating how Muslims hold Israel to a higher standard than Muslims hold themselves.

Indeed. While this circus was unfolding it was business as usual for jihad central:

From the Religion of Peace website:

Weekly Jihad Report
May 22 - May 28

Jihad Attacks: 28

Dead Bodies: 202

Critically Injured: 339